The Rapture

[Allenbee]

Isaiah 33
(Believers flee to the worldwide ZION, and BAD NEWS for those who don’t).

33 Woe to you, destroyer, you who have not been destroyed!
Woe to you, betrayer, you who have not been betrayed!
When you stop destroying, you will be destroyed;
when you stop betraying, you will be betrayed. (bad guys)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Lord, be gracious to us; we long for you.
Be our strength every morning, our salvation in time of distress.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]At the uproar of your army, the peoples flee; when you rise up, the nations scatter.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Your plunder, O nations, is harvested as by young locusts; (Joel 2).
like a swarm of locusts people pounce on it. (stripping the abandoned destroyed cities).
BUT…The Lord is exalted, for he dwells on high;
he will fill Zion with his justice and righteousness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He will be the sure foundation for your times,
a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge;
the fear of the Lord is the key to this treasure.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]
7 [/SUP]Look, their brave men cry aloud in the streets; the envoys of peace weep bitterly. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The cities are deserted, no travelers are on the roads.
The treaty is broken, it’s witnesses[SUP][b][/SUP]are despised, no one is respected.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The land dries up and wastes away, Lebanon is ashamed and withers;
Sharon is like the Arabah,and Bashan and Carmel drop their leaves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Now will I arise,” says the Lord. “Now will I be exalted; now will I be lifted up.[SUP]11 [/SUP]You conceive chaff, you give birth to straw;
your breath is a fire that consumes you.[SUP]12 [/SUP]The peoples will be burned to ashes;like cut thorn bushes they will be set ablaze.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]You who are far away, hear what I have done;
you who are near, acknowledge my power! (ie; Worldwide)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The sinners in Zion (GOD’S earth) are terrified; trembling grips the godless:
“Who of us can dwell (on earth) with the consuming fire?
Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?”

AT LAST THE GOOD NEWS ;
[SUP]
15 [/SUP]Those who walk righteously and speak what is right,
who reject gain from extortion and keep their hands from accepting bribes,
who stop their ears against plots of murder
and shut their eyes against contemplating evil—
[SUP]16 [/SUP]they are the ones who will dwell on the heights,
whose refuge will be the mountain fortress.
Their bread will be supplied, and water will not fail them.
[SUP]
17 [/SUP]Your eyes will see the king in his beauty and view a land that stretches afar.(The Lord and new earth… ZION. “The mountain of the house of YHWH”)


[SUP]18 [/SUP]In your thoughts you will ponder the former terror:
“Where is that city official ? Where is that one who took the revenue?
Where is the officer in charge of the towers?” (Satans 666 evil world).
[SUP]19 [/SUP]You will see those arrogant people no more, (worldly people)
people whose speech is obscure,
whose language is strange and incomprehensible. (Pay or die style).
[SUP]
20 [/SUP]Look on Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem,
a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved; (Isaiah 66 all).
its stakes will never be pulled up, nor any of its ropes broken.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]There the Lord will be our Mighty One.
It will be like a place of broad rivers and streams.
No galley with oars will ride them, no mighty ship will sail them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Lord is our judge,the Lord is our lawgiver,
the Lord is our king; it is he who will save us.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Your rigging hangs loose:
The mast is not held secure,
the sail is not spread.
Then an abundance of spoils will be divided
and even the lame will carry off plunder.
[SUP]
24 [/SUP]No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”;
and the sins of those who dwell THERE… will be forgiven.

(ONLY NOW…ARE OUR SINS FORGIVEN) !!!!

So brothers…that’s how important it is to OBEY our Lord to “flee to the mountains”…WRITTEN directly BEFORE the great tribulation.
All the end time prophets confirm this, so I will just keep on posting…but sorry NO pretrib rapture as you will SEE…over and over again.

EXODUS...OR suffer the great tribulation.

That's it !

 

[Endoscopy]

Isaiah 33
(Believers flee to the worldwide ZION, and BAD NEWS for those who don’t).

33 Woe to you, destroyer, you who have not been destroyed!
Woe to you, betrayer, you who have not been betrayed!
When you stop destroying, you will be destroyed;
when you stop betraying, you will be betrayed. (bad guys)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Lord, be gracious to us; we long for you.
Be our strength every morning, our salvation in time of distress.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]At the uproar of your army, the peoples flee; when you rise up, the nations scatter.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Your plunder, O nations, is harvested as by young locusts; (Joel 2).
like a swarm of locusts people pounce on it. (stripping the abandoned destroyed cities).
BUT…The Lord is exalted, for he dwells on high;
he will fill Zion with his justice and righteousness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He will be the sure foundation for your times,
a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge;
the fear of the Lord is the key to this treasure.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]
7 [/SUP]Look, their brave men cry aloud in the streets; the envoys of peace weep bitterly. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The cities are deserted, no travelers are on the roads.
The treaty is broken, it’s witnesses[SUP][b][/SUP]are despised, no one is respected.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The land dries up and wastes away, Lebanon is ashamed and withers;
Sharon is like the Arabah,and Bashan and Carmel drop their leaves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Now will I arise,” says the Lord. “Now will I be exalted; now will I be lifted up.[SUP]11 [/SUP]You conceive chaff, you give birth to straw;
your breath is a fire that consumes you.[SUP]12 [/SUP]The peoples will be burned to ashes;like cut thorn bushes they will be set ablaze.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]You who are far away, hear what I have done;
you who are near, acknowledge my power! (ie; Worldwide)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The sinners in Zion (GOD’S earth) are terrified; trembling grips the godless:
“Who of us can dwell (on earth) with the consuming fire?
Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?”

AT LAST THE GOOD NEWS ;
[SUP]
15 [/SUP]Those who walk righteously and speak what is right,
who reject gain from extortion and keep their hands from accepting bribes,
who stop their ears against plots of murder
and shut their eyes against contemplating evil—
[SUP]16 [/SUP]they are the ones who will dwell on the heights,
whose refuge will be the mountain fortress.
Their bread will be supplied, and water will not fail them.
[SUP]
17 [/SUP]Your eyes will see the king in his beauty and view a land that stretches afar.(The Lord and new earth… ZION. “The mountain of the house of YHWH”)


[SUP]18 [/SUP]In your thoughts you will ponder the former terror:
“Where is that city official ? Where is that one who took the revenue?
Where is the officer in charge of the towers?” (Satans 666 evil world).
[SUP]19 [/SUP]You will see those arrogant people no more, (worldly people)
people whose speech is obscure,
whose language is strange and incomprehensible. (Pay or die style).
[SUP]
20 [/SUP]Look on Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem,
a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved; (Isaiah 66 all).
its stakes will never be pulled up, nor any of its ropes broken.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]There the Lord will be our Mighty One.
It will be like a place of broad rivers and streams.
No galley with oars will ride them, no mighty ship will sail them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Lord is our judge,the Lord is our lawgiver,
the Lord is our king; it is he who will save us.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Your rigging hangs loose:
The mast is not held secure,
the sail is not spread.
Then an abundance of spoils will be divided
and even the lame will carry off plunder.
[SUP]
24 [/SUP]No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”;
and the sins of those who dwell THERE… will be forgiven.

(ONLY NOW…ARE OUR SINS FORGIVEN) !!!!

So brothers…that’s how important it is to OBEY our Lord to “flee to the mountains”…WRITTEN directly BEFORE the great tribulation.
All the end time prophets confirm this, so I will just keep on posting…but sorry NO pretrib rapture as you will SEE…over and over again.

EXODUS...OR suffer the great tribulation.

That's it !

Living in Florida there are no mountains to flee to. I don't think the Everglades is a good idea to flee to.

 

[Jackson123]

Living in Florida there are no mountains to flee to. I don't think the Everglades is a good idea to flee to.

Probably Zion is a symbol of Christ.

 

[Allenbee]

All you so called "Christians" are not mocking me...you are mocking God's ANOINTED PROPHETS in GOD'S WORD.

I did not write the end time prophesies I WILL CONTINUE to quote, as they are the TRUTH.

And ENDOSCOPY... you know very well "the mountain of the house of YHWH" is his KINGDOM on earth.
Just as the destructive mountain of BABYLON...is satan's KINGDOM TODAY... TOO MANY so loyally support and love.

As in the days of Noah...they were eating and drinking and marrying and mocking and took no note...then sudden destruction came upon them.

I suggest you study GOD'S prophets and STOP listening to false christ teachings from man...to tickle your ears.

Flee to the wilderness simply means to GET OUT of BABYLON.

WHY do you "Christians" REFUSE to read Rev 18 all H v4 ???

NO ONE IS TO FLEE INDIVIDUALLY NOW !!!

UNITY of belief comes FIRST.

We flee Babylon as BELIEVERS...just as IT WAS at the exodus to the promised land.

I WILL FINISH my commission... THEN leave OK !!!

 

[louis]

Isaiah 33
(Believers flee to the worldwide ZION, and BAD NEWS for those who don’t).

33 Woe to you, destroyer, you who have not been destroyed!
Woe to you, betrayer, you who have not been betrayed!
When you stop destroying, you will be destroyed;
when you stop betraying, you will be betrayed. (bad guys)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Lord, be gracious to us; we long for you.
Be our strength every morning, our salvation in time of distress.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]At the uproar of your army, the peoples flee; when you rise up, the nations scatter.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Your plunder, O nations, is harvested as by young locusts; (Joel 2).
like a swarm of locusts people pounce on it. (stripping the abandoned destroyed cities).
BUT…The Lord is exalted, for he dwells on high;
he will fill Zion with his justice and righteousness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He will be the sure foundation for your times,
a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge;
the fear of the Lord is the key to this treasure.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]
7 [/SUP]Look, their brave men cry aloud in the streets; the envoys of peace weep bitterly. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The cities are deserted, no travelers are on the roads.
The treaty is broken, it’s witnesses[SUP][b][/SUP]are despised, no one is respected.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The land dries up and wastes away, Lebanon is ashamed and withers;
Sharon is like the Arabah,and Bashan and Carmel drop their leaves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Now will I arise,” says the Lord. “Now will I be exalted; now will I be lifted up.[SUP]11 [/SUP]You conceive chaff, you give birth to straw;
your breath is a fire that consumes you.[SUP]12 [/SUP]The peoples will be burned to ashes;like cut thorn bushes they will be set ablaze.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]You who are far away, hear what I have done;
you who are near, acknowledge my power! (ie; Worldwide)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The sinners in Zion (GOD’S earth) are terrified; trembling grips the godless:
“Who of us can dwell (on earth) with the consuming fire?
Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?”

AT LAST THE GOOD NEWS ;
[SUP]
15 [/SUP]Those who walk righteously and speak what is right,
who reject gain from extortion and keep their hands from accepting bribes,
who stop their ears against plots of murder
and shut their eyes against contemplating evil—
[SUP]16 [/SUP]they are the ones who will dwell on the heights,
whose refuge will be the mountain fortress.
Their bread will be supplied, and water will not fail them.
[SUP]
17 [/SUP]Your eyes will see the king in his beauty and view a land that stretches afar.(The Lord and new earth… ZION. “The mountain of the house of YHWH”)


[SUP]18 [/SUP]In your thoughts you will ponder the former terror:
“Where is that city official ? Where is that one who took the revenue?
Where is the officer in charge of the towers?” (Satans 666 evil world).
[SUP]19 [/SUP]You will see those arrogant people no more, (worldly people)
people whose speech is obscure,
whose language is strange and incomprehensible. (Pay or die style).
[SUP]
20 [/SUP]Look on Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem,
a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved; (Isaiah 66 all).
its stakes will never be pulled up, nor any of its ropes broken.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]There the Lord will be our Mighty One.
It will be like a place of broad rivers and streams.
No galley with oars will ride them, no mighty ship will sail them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Lord is our judge,the Lord is our lawgiver,
the Lord is our king; it is he who will save us.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Your rigging hangs loose:
The mast is not held secure,
the sail is not spread.
Then an abundance of spoils will be divided
and even the lame will carry off plunder.
[SUP]
24 [/SUP]No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”;
and the sins of those who dwell THERE… will be forgiven.

(ONLY NOW…ARE OUR SINS FORGIVEN) !!!!

So brothers…that’s how important it is to OBEY our Lord to “flee to the mountains”…WRITTEN directly BEFORE the great tribulation.
All the end time prophets confirm this, so I will just keep on posting…but sorry NO pretrib rapture as you will SEE…over and over again.

EXODUS...OR suffer the great tribulation.

That's it !

In the bible, hills are often in reference to small nations, while mountains often denote large nations.
When people in Judea see the abomination of desolation standing where it ought not, and are told to run to the mountains (Mark 13:14), it may mean they are to run to large nations for refuge.

Mark 13:14 [FONT=&quot]But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:[/FONT]

 

[heartofdavid]

All you so called "Christians" are not mocking me...you are mocking God's ANOINTED PROPHETS in GOD'S WORD.

I did not write the end time prophesies I WILL CONTINUE to quote, as they are the TRUTH.

And ENDOSCOPY... you know very well "the mountain of the house of YHWH" is his KINGDOM on earth.
Just as the destructive mountain of BABYLON...is satan's KINGDOM TODAY... TOO MANY so loyally support and love.

As in the days of Noah...they were eating and drinking and marrying and mocking and took no note...then sudden destruction came upon them.

I suggest you study GOD'S prophets and STOP listening to false christ teachings from man...to tickle your ears.

Flee to the wilderness simply means to GET OUT of BABYLON.

WHY do you "Christians" REFUSE to read Rev 18 all H v4 ???

NO ONE IS TO FLEE INDIVIDUALLY NOW !!!

UNITY of belief comes FIRST.

We flee Babylon as BELIEVERS...just as IT WAS at the exodus to the promised land.

I WILL FINISH my commission... THEN leave OK !!!

Ok heralder of error. Yes,try some other site where your mess is accepted as God himself.

It's like God himself put a billboard in your front yard with the future gatherings and you snarl at it every time you glance over at it.

Heaven is obcessed with 3 things.
1 Mankind
2 The Son's bride and her gathering to the marriage supper
3 David's throne re established.

You are just so far off with your "sky is falling" personal non revelatory "knowledge" you have yourself deluded to be full of error.
Now evolved unto."invincible ignorance"

Modern day crackpot.

 

[Endoscopy]

Probably Zion is a symbol of Christ.

Awwww geeeee wiiizzzz. You don't like my humor. I understand what the Bible is telling people to do. Flee to safety. There are forests that people can hide in if they bring the right equipment. Been to several as a Boy Scout and later a leader.

 

[tourist]

Living in Florida there are no mountains to flee to. I don't think the Everglades is a good idea to flee to.

Once Trump drains the swamp it might be an option.

 

[Allenbee]

So called "Christians" are reconsidered by their rotten fruit they spew...thanks for this enlightenment;

Ok heralder of error. Yes,try some other site where your mess is accepted as God himself.

It's like God himself put a billboard in your front yard with the future gatherings and you snarl at it every time you glance over at it.

Heaven is obcessed with 3 things.
1 Mankind
2 The Son's bride and her gathering to the marriage supper
3 David's throne re established.

You are just so far off with your "sky is falling" personal non revelatory "knowledge" you have yourself deluded to be full of error.
Now evolved unto."invincible ignorance"

Modern day crackpot.

Mmmmm... well here's another "crackpot" who I learnt my "invincible ignorance" from.

[FONT=&quot]8 This is what the Lord says:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“As when juice is still found in a cluster of grapes
and people say, ‘Don’t destroy it,
there is still a blessing in it,’
so will I do in behalf of my servants;
I will not destroy them all.
9 I will bring forth descendants from Jacob,
and from Judah those who will possess my mountains;
my chosen people will inherit them,
and there will my servants live.
10 Sharon will become a pasture for flocks,
and the Valley of Achor a resting place for herds,
for my people who seek me.

I love that... but this promise below is for you pretrib... inventors;[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]11 “But as for you who forsake the Lord
and forget my holy mountain,
who spread a table for Fortune
and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny,
12 I will destine you for the sword,
and all of you will fall in the slaughter;
for I called but you did not answer,
I spoke but you did not listen.
You did evil in my sight
and chose what displeases me.”

From Isaiah 65, but read all, and the conclusion at 66all...companion to the beautiful Isaiah 2.
IF you ever read end time prophesy ?????

................................................................

Seems you don't know... I am not alone with my personal "crackpot" belief. The greater EXODUS is the fastest growing NEW end time belief, AND turning many Jews to Jesus.
So now at end time...we have Messianic Jews and Messianic Gentiles as many "Christians" turn to their MESSIANIC roots, AS TAUGHT by our Lord Yeshua (Jesus).

You obviously have not read the horrific, shameful, history of Christianity.

Enjoy your Christmas holy one, and remember NOT to tell your grandchildren the gifts are from you...but from the heaven guy in the red suit. Ho ho ho !

Seriously though...when you have to flee anyway, you will remember... "the mountain of the house of OUR LORD". The Kingdom of GOD on earth...as written.


[/FONT]
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[Endoscopy]

Once Trump drains the swamp it might be an option.

LOL
A lot of people don't understand the Everglades isn't a swamp. It is a very wide slow moving river. Alligator Alley has lots of culverts allowing the water to flow.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Is it so hard to believe God speaks to people like He has always done in the past? Really?


OH, i see, because He never spoke to you, it is not possible for Him to speak to another.

The reason it is hard to believe is that we have person A saying God spoke to him, and person B saying God spoke to him, and they are saying and preaching different things So obviously someone has the wrong channel tuned in. Do you expect us to just believe you because you said so on an internet forum? In that case God spoke to me as well, im the prophet of the new reformation, everyone else is wrong and i am right.
Then someone else comes along and says "No God told me you are wrong".
So that is the problem, not that I do not believe God can speak, but when you have so many people claiming it and teaching contradictory things, it does set up red flags.

So then you do what everyone does. Disregard ANYONE who says God told them something, right? Why don't people DO what Scriptures teaches them to do to determine who is a True Prophet and who is a false one?
Anyone who says God told them something and God did not tell them that thing, will suffer Death according to the Word of God, not only that person but their family as well.
Is it not written to try the spirits? NO not this generation, this generation does not try the spirits via the Word of God, they try the spirits based on their own thoughts. This generation takes though that God does not speak to people at all in these days, therefore anyone who claims that He does must be wrong. (not based on the Word of God, but based on personal beliefs)
If anyone teaches ANYTHING contrary to Scriptures, that person did not hear that thing from God, but from satan who says He is God.
How do we try the spirits? By and through the Word of God, NOT through your own thinking, your own thoughts. If a person comes speaking in the name of God, saying it is from God and that thing which they say is not contrary to Scriptures, then who are you to say he is false? But this generation says they are false, based on what THEY believe and NOT what Scriptures teach.
If you can find one thing contrary to Scriptures in the 2,410 posts that i have done on Christian Chat, then you can say i am false, a false teacher, a liar, and did not hear from God. But if everything i have said is NOT contrary to Scriptures, not one verse in all of Scriptures, then would it not behoove you to believe?

Tell me. If satan knows the Bible better than anyone, and satan knows that in the last days, there will be prophets that God speaks to during the end times. What can satan do to cause people NOT to listen to those prophets in the last days? Would he not cause false prophets to rise up throughout time? Would he not have false prophets saying and teaching on the corners "God told me the world is going to end"? Would he not have many false prophets saying God told them something. Sure he would, because he knows full well by the time True Prophets of God come into the last days, people just will not believe them at all, because they are already conditioned NOT to believe anyone who claims God told them something. Woe to this generation indeed, because they altogether FAIL to do what Scriptures teach to determine who is and who is not a True Prophet. IF anyone teaches ANYTHING contrary to Scriptures, they are FALSE. PERIOD!!!
satan is so good at what he does, he has this generation believing the lie that prophets don't even exist today. So when one does come by, who will believe him? so satan succeeded in duping this generation.
What i teach is from God and what He has told me. Let me die a horrible painful death if i am lying. NOT only me, but let all those that i love and that love me, die the same horrible, long lasting, painful DEATH, if i am lying. God is my witness, and not only God, but 2,410+ posts which NONE of them are contrary to even one verse in Scriptures.
What i teach, which i say God told me, does not contradict one verse in Scriptures. But it most certainly contradicts the myriad of doctrines that this generation loves to believe in, and hold on to.

#1 thing God said more than anything else: "Love One Another"

He also said this to me quite a few times: "If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG" OH only if people would open up their eyes and understand that statement from God, but NO, they would rather remain blind and not see nor hear the TRUTH from someone who claims to have had conversations with God, saying "what a psycho!!!"

So God chose me to teach things that He told me to teach, and this generation refuses to believe that God speaks to people. It is not my fault, nor God's fault if you do not hearken to the words that God told me to tell YOU. But my hand are clean. God also told me, it is not my place to convince anyone, it is only my place to reveal to YOU what He told me. Whether you believe it or not, what is that to me? i have not failed to give credit to God for the things that i teach. This generation would believe the things i teach if i were to have said it came from me, but because i say it comes from God, which i lie not, for ALL LIARS shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone according to Rev 21:8, So i am not lying. But because i say what i teach comes from God, who listens? who hears? who sees? Many blind, very few see.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

This is why I told DiscipleDave that he did not hear from God that the 7th trumpet is the "last trumpet" of Revelation, as he claims, and that because that claim contradicts other scriptures in that it would put the church through the seals and trumpet plagues of God's wrath, which we as believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer.

You say it contradicts other Scriptures, but the TRUTH is what i said contradicts what YOU think Scriptures means. And what i said is what God told me. You do not believe me, because the TRUTH is not in you, if it were in you then you would recognize the voice of Truth when you hear it, but you don't hear it because Truth is not in you. There is not one verse in all of Scriptures that teach the 7th Trumpet is not the "Last Trump" now is there. If you think there is then reveal the Scriptures. The Truth is, there is NOT ONE verse that contradicts what i said concerning the Last Trump being the last Trumpet sounding in Revelations. YOU think what i say is contrary to Scriptures, but it is not, what i say is only contrary to what YOU THINK SCRIPTURES MEAN. NOT what they actually say.

God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. And because God will be pouring out His wrath during that entire seven years, then believers within the church cannot enter into that time period, but will be gathered prior to the first seal being opened.

This is most certainly YOUR OPINION, is it not? Where is Scriptures does it teach what you say above here? This is something that YOU believe NOT what Scriptures actually teaches.
You teach God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. That is most certainly true, unless the righteous fall down and live in sin, then they will reap what they sow. Know you not that it is written if you sow to the flesh you shall reap corruption of the flesh, are YOU exempt from that verse? Is anyone exempt from that verse? Is it not written if you do Wrong, you shall repay for the that wrong? You act as if God does not punish His children. Know you not that it is written that He punishes those that He loves. So you falsely believe we do not go through some of the Tribulation period because it is in your head that Christians won't suffer and therefore according to YOUR thinking they will not be here during the Tribulation Period. You are wrong. Christians will suffer, know you not it is written that we through much tribulation will suffer. You do error thinking that God will not punish Christians because they are Christians. Anyone who sows to the flesh shall reap corruption in their flesh, this can happen immediately. This could happen tomorrow, this could happen during the Tribulation period. You do error teaching what you do.

In addition and Based on DiscipleDave's chart, he has the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven in the middle of the seven years, which at face value is just absurd, since the chronology of events has the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven after the millennial period and after the great white throne judgment, when the new heaven and new earth are created. The new Jerusalem will never touch down on this current earth, but will come down after this current heaven and earth have passed away and the new heaven and new earth are created. (See Rev.20:11, 21:1-2)

You do not know Scriptures, if you did, then you would know that the Holy City does touch down on this Earth. You need to study Zechariah Chapter 14. Which specifically talks about Christ coming to the Earth. Verse 16 talks about people coming to Jerusalem to worship Jesus year to year, and if the Heathen do not come to Jerusalem to worship Jesus, then Jesus will cause it not rain in their lands. NOTICE that the heathens are still present at this time, when people are going to worship Jesus from year to year. You do not understand this Chapter, because it most certainly is contrary to what YOU think is the TRUTH. This is also the same time when Jesus comes down to start his reign on Earth that Living Water comes out of the New City Jerusalem, (which is resting on mountains as legs for the Holy City, and a huge valley underneath it, From this valley is where the Rivers of Living Water will flow out of Jerusalem. Micah 4:1-5)

By what you say above, you seem to think it is after the millennium and the Great White Throne Judgement, when the New Earth and New Heaven is created. You see, you think after the millennium is when the New Heaven and New Earth is created. You seem to think that it is AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment is when the New Earth and and New Heaven is created. Do you realize Scriptures teaches contrary to that line of thinking?

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Continue reading for a description of this New Heaven and New Earth in verses 18-25

Did you catch verse 20? Can you explain verse 20 which specifically teaches there are sinners present during the time of the New Heaven and New Earth? Can you explain this away? Other verses confirm this as well. That sinners are not allowed into the Holy City Jerusalem

Even the Apostle John in describing the New Heaven and New Earth in Revelation 21 says in verse 27 that sinners will not be able to enter into the Holy City. If No sinner are present during the New Heaven and New Earth then there would be no need for verse 27 to have been said at all, but it is said because when the Holy City gets here. Sinners will not be allowed in it.

Many verses from the prophets, minor and major prophets, all speak of when Christ gets to the Earth and all kings will bow down to worship Him, many of them speak of the reign of Jesus on Earth during the last days, during the making of the New Heaven and the New Earth. Why can't you believe me, when i tell you that i know what is going to happen because God told me what is going to happen.

You teach that the Holy City comes down AFTER the Great white throne Judgement. Yet there are Scriptures which plainly teach the Holy City is present during a time when sinners are still here, NOT JUDGED yet. Verses that teach sinners are not allowed in the Holy City, should reveal to you, that the Holy City is present during a time when SINNER are still present, still here on Earth. Know you not that Jesus is coming to set up a KINGDOM ON EARTH, read Daniel. All Kings of the Earth shall bow down to Him. This does not happen AFTER the millennium.

i am telling you the TRUTH. the Timeline that you seen is what is going to happen. And not one verse in Scriptures is contrary, if you think it is then show the verse and NOT your opinions. YOU say the last Trump is not the last Trumpet in Revelation, then show the Scriptures which PROVE it is not. You can't do that, because there is not one Scripture that proves it is not that last trumpet in Revelation. YOU don't believe it, because it does not line up with YOUR own studies of Scriptures, does not line up with YOUR thinking of what the Truth is. i am thankful that i have not given my thoughts on this at all, what i teach concerning this topic is what God told me. NOTHING from my own thought, my own thinking, or from my own studies.

Just as Nehemiah6 mentioned, if someone claims that they have received information from God and it contradicts what is written in His word, then it is false.

100% agree, and i teach the same thing. However just because YOU say something i teach is contrary to His Word, does not make it so. YOU have not one time shown one verse that is contrary to anything that i have said, NOT ONE VERSE. Yet you continue to show YOUR interpretations of verses that contradict what i teach, but that is YOUR OPINIONS.
Challenge. quote anything that i have said, then show the Scriptures which contradicts it.
Now what you will do, you will quote something i say, then you will give your interpretations of a Scripture that YOU THINK is contrary. That is NOT the same thing, now is it. Show me Scriptures which contradict anything that i have said, and then i am false.

You say that the New Heaven and New Earth happen after the millennium and the Great white throne Judgement, and i have shown you verses that contradict that false teaching, by stating there are sinners present during the New Heaven and New Earth time according to Scriptures. Tell me AFTER the Great White Throne Judgement when all sinner are cast into Hell with satan and the demons, are there still sinners left after that in the New Heaven and New Earth as you seem to indicate?
You call me false via your opinions. i call you false via Scriptures that PROVE what you say is contrary to the Word of God.

For God is not going to contradict His own word, which is exactly what DiscipleDave is doing with his claims.

Correction, they are not my claims. If they were my claims, then i would say they come from me, that i thought of them. But if i merely repeat what God has told me in conversation, how are they my claims? God does not contradict His own Word. That is why i plainly and clearly challenge anyone to find one verse that contradicts what i say God told me. Do you know why you will not be able to find one verse? Because i know it is God who told me those things, and therefore can't be wrong, or a lie. What He has told me is from God, and it is TRUTH. Those who do not believe what i say, do not disbelieve me, but disbelieve Him who told me these things, and that is the TRUTH.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by Ahwatukee

In addition and Based on DiscipleDave's chart, he has the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven in the middle of the seven years, which at face value is just absurd, since the chronology of events has the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven after the millennial period and after the great white throne judgment, when the new heaven and new earth are created.

ive never heard anyone say that. alot of weird teachings on this website for sure. i looked at it.

why cant folks just believe the bible?

Agreed, and believe God too.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Because that would completely destroy what they believe.
Got to twist it, change the meaning of words, take out of context, use their own logic, and use their private interpretation.

Agreed. i myself just believe what God told me. Don't have to think about anything, or try to figure out anything, or interpret anything, all i did is just believe what He told me, simple. Thank you Jesus.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Why can't the people of God go through the wrath of God on Earth?
It has happened many times in the past and can happen again.
Noah went through the wrath of God safely protected in the ark. We can live in that time protected by God like Daniel when Babylon destroyed the temple the first time, and we can survive like those that went into the mountains in 66 ad when Titus destroyed the temple the second time. I'm sure God has a plan for His people for the final days. This requires faith and courage. Do you think God is smart enough and powerful enough to work out a way to deliver His people?

For some reason, ahwatukee, believes no Christian will go through the Tribulation Period at all. Scriptures does not teach that though, this is merely a belief that ahwatukee holds onto. Can Christians go through the Tribulation Period and not be harmed by it at all, sure they can, and some will. But for some reason Ahwatukee believes Christians will not go through some of the Tribulation Period, yet he can't show one solitary verse that says they won't. He can only show his interpretations that he believes seems to suggest they won't.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

You ignore that fact that scripture states that the church is not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath, or any wrath and that because Jesus suffered it on our behalf.

Do you not ignore all the verses which say we will suffer? Here are but a few:

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Do you think this verse written to Christians does not apply to Christians? So then if a person sows to his/her flesh, are they going to reap corruption or does Jesus take it for them?

Col_3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

Are Christians not subject to this verse? Does this verse apply to Christians? Was this verse written to Christians? So then if you do wrong, you will receive for the wrong which you have done. Or do you make void this verse saying that if a person does wrong, Jesus takes the wrong upon Himself?

Php 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

WHAT!!!!! i thought you said Jesus will suffer it on our behalf. This is teaching we WILL suffer for His sake.

1Th 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

Don't you say "We won't suffer Tribulation" yet Scriptures plainly teach we will suffer tribulation.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

This verse teaches we enter into the Kingdom of God through MUCH TRIBULATION. Seriously can you show any verse that teaches we won't?

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

You see, you do error when you interpret the word wrath above to mean "The Wrath of God" during the Tribulation Period. Don't you understand that is exactly what you are doing? You interpret the word wrath above to not merely mean wrath, but you interpret it to mean "The Wrath of God" and therefore YOU come up with the thinking that means we are going to be taken up with Christ before the Tribulation Period, because we are not appointed to wrath. Don't you see how you are ADDING things that are just not there. The above verse in no way whatsoever implies that we will not go through the Tribulation Period, that is all in your mind. Let us assume for a moment that the word wrath above means "The Wrath of God" (which it does not, but let us assume that it does) Does not mean we won't go through some of the Tribulation Period, but only that we are not appointed to have His wrath on us during the Tribulation Period. The point is we, the church, Christians are not appointed for wrath, can still go through the Tribulation Period and still not be appointed for wrath. are you not understanding that? Just because you think you are not appointed for the Wrath of God, does not mean you are not going to be present during the Tribulation Period, that is merely YOUR assumption, YOUR interpretation, and it is wrong.

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

So we will suffer.

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Again, we shall suffer. If your not suffering persecution, then you are NOT living Godly in Christ Jesus.

Psa 34:19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.

Psa 119:75 I know, O LORD, that thy judgments are right, and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

So God will punish us, This could be done during the Tribulation Period as well. So then if we do wrong, we shall be repaid for the Wrong that we do. If we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption of the flesh, So we WILL reap what we sow. So then if we do these things according to the Word of God we will be punished for these things. So then WHEN are we punished for these things immediately when we do them, or do we store them up for being punished in the future?

Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; (This includes Christians)

Ecc 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily (but at a future date), therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

This is why a Christian will continue to look at porn over and over and over again. if they would suffer in their flesh immediately they would soon stop looking at porn, but because they are not reaping corruption in their flesh immediately, they continue to look at porn without ever ceasing. They are storing up wrath for themselves in the future. What? You think God is a liar? He says if you sow to the flesh you shall reap corruption. So all those who are sowing to the flesh, will indeed reap corruption in their flesh in the future, they are storing up wrath for themselves.

Yes it is True we Christians are not appointed to wrath. UNLESS we knowingly and willingly live in sin.

Psa 125:3 For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity (SIN).

Pro_25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.

Eze_3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

Eze_18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

So even though we are NOT appointed for wrath, by our deeds we bring it upon our own selves. Reap what you sow.
And just because we are not appointed for wrath, does not in any way whatsoever indicates, implies, or suggests that means we are not going to go through some of the Tribulation Period. Don't believe that false doctrine.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Endoscopy]

So then you do what everyone does. Disregard ANYONE who says God told them something, right? Why don't people DO what Scriptures teaches them to do to determine who is a True Prophet and who is a false one?
Anyone who says God told them something and God did not tell them that thing, will suffer Death according to the Word of God, not only that person but their family as well.
Is it not written to try the spirits? NO not this generation, this generation does not try the spirits via the Word of God, they try the spirits based on their own thoughts. This generation takes though that God does not speak to people at all in these days, therefore anyone who claims that He does must be wrong. (not based on the Word of God, but based on personal beliefs)
If anyone teaches ANYTHING contrary to Scriptures, that person did not hear that thing from God, but from satan who says He is God.
How do we try the spirits? By and through the Word of God, NOT through your own thinking, your own thoughts. If a person comes speaking in the name of God, saying it is from God and that thing which they say is not contrary to Scriptures, then who are you to say he is false? But this generation says they are false, based on what THEY believe and NOT what Scriptures teach.
If you can find one thing contrary to Scriptures in the 2,410 posts that i have done on Christian Chat, then you can say i am false, a false teacher, a liar, and did not hear from God. But if everything i have said is NOT contrary to Scriptures, not one verse in all of Scriptures, then would it not behoove you to believe?

Tell me. If satan knows the Bible better than anyone, and satan knows that in the last days, there will be prophets that God speaks to during the end times. What can satan do to cause people NOT to listen to those prophets in the last days? Would he not cause false prophets to rise up throughout time? Would he not have false prophets saying and teaching on the corners "God told me the world is going to end"? Would he not have many false prophets saying God told them something. Sure he would, because he knows full well by the time True Prophets of God come into the last days, people just will not believe them at all, because they are already conditioned NOT to believe anyone who claims God told them something. Woe to this generation indeed, because they altogether FAIL to do what Scriptures teach to determine who is and who is not a True Prophet. IF anyone teaches ANYTHING contrary to Scriptures, they are FALSE. PERIOD!!!
satan is so good at what he does, he has this generation believing the lie that prophets don't even exist today. So when one does come by, who will believe him? so satan succeeded in duping this generation.
What i teach is from God and what He has told me. Let me die a horrible painful death if i am lying. NOT only me, but let all those that i love and that love me, die the same horrible, long lasting, painful DEATH, if i am lying. God is my witness, and not only God, but 2,410+ posts which NONE of them are contrary to even one verse in Scriptures.
What i teach, which i say God told me, does not contradict one verse in Scriptures. But it most certainly contradicts the myriad of doctrines that this generation loves to believe in, and hold on to.

#1 thing God said more than anything else: "Love One Another"

He also said this to me quite a few times: "If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG" OH only if people would open up their eyes and understand that statement from God, but NO, they would rather remain blind and not see nor hear the TRUTH from someone who claims to have had conversations with God, saying "what a psycho!!!"

So God chose me to teach things that He told me to teach, and this generation refuses to believe that God speaks to people. It is not my fault, nor God's fault if you do not hearken to the words that God told me to tell YOU. But my hand are clean. God also told me, it is not my place to convince anyone, it is only my place to reveal to YOU what He told me. Whether you believe it or not, what is that to me? i have not failed to give credit to God for the things that i teach. This generation would believe the things i teach if i were to have said it came from me, but because i say it comes from God, which i lie not, for ALL LIARS shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone according to Rev 21:8, So i am not lying. But because i say what i teach comes from God, who listens? who hears? who sees? Many blind, very few see.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

You go too far with the claim about all of your posts. We all have sinned and come short of the glory God!! Claiming your posts are free of any error is conceit. We all have errors in understanding areas of the Bible especially eschatology. There is a reason theologians have for centuries discussed the 4 seperate views of eschatology. Daniel states that areas of his book are sealed and the same applies to areas of Revelation. Both books are heavy in symbolism and that makes them impossible to understand until it is happening. Looking back today we now understand Daniel's statue. The same applies to the rest of the eschatologyical sections of the Bible. They are deliberately as clear as mud. Understanding will occur as the prophecied portions occur.

 

[Allenbee]

Ha ha...deafening silence, looks like theirs been a rapture

To the open minded...PLEASE read this incredible end time prophesy;

[h=3]The Lord's Comfort for Zion. Isa 51;[/h][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]51 “Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness,
you who seek the Lord:
look to the rock from which you were hewn,
and to the quarry from which you were dug.
2 Look to Abraham your father
and to Sarah who bore you;
for he was but one when I called him,
that I might bless him and multiply him.
3 For the Lord comforts Zion;
he comforts all her waste places
and makes her wilderness like Eden,
her desert like the garden of the Lord;
joy and gladness will be found in her,
thanksgiving and the voice of song.[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]4 “Give attention to me, my people,
and give ear to me, my nation; (Isa 66...nation and land...born in a day)
for a law[a] will go out from me,
and I will set my justice for a light to the peoples.
5 My righteousness draws near,
my salvation has gone out,
and my arms will judge the peoples;
the coastlands hope for me,
and for my arm they wait.
6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look at the earth beneath;
for the heavens vanish like smoke,
the earth will wear out like a garment,
and they who dwell in it will die in like manner;[b]
but my salvation will be forever,
and my righteousness will never be dismayed.[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]7 “Listen to me, you who know righteousness,
the people in whose heart is my law;
fear not the reproach of man,
nor be dismayed at their revilings.
8 For the moth will eat them up like a garment,
and the worm will eat them like wool,
but my righteousness will be forever,
and my salvation to all generations.”[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]9 Awake, awake, put on strength,
O arm of the Lord;
awake, as in days of old,
the generations of long ago.
Was it not you who cut Rahab in pieces,
who pierced the dragon?
10 Was it not you who dried up the sea,
the waters of the great deep,
who made the depths of the sea a way
for the redeemed to pass over? (Ref to EXODUS).
11 And the ransomed of the Lord shall return
and come to Zion with singing; (greater Exodus...today).
everlasting joy shall be upon their heads;
they shall obtain gladness and joy,
and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]12 “I, I am he who comforts you;
who are you that you are afraid of man who dies,
of the son of man who is made like grass,
13 and have forgotten the Lord, your Maker,
who stretched out the heavens
and laid the foundations of the earth,
and you fear continually all the day
because of the wrath of the oppressor,
when he sets himself to destroy?
And where is the wrath of the oppressor?
14 He who is bowed down shall speedily be released;
he shall not die and go down to the pit,
neither shall his bread be lacking.
15 I am the Lord your God,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name.
16 And I have put my words in your mouth
and covered you in the shadow of my hand,
establishing[c] the heavens
and laying the foundations of the earth, (Gods WILL established at Geneses).
and saying to Zion, ‘You are my people.’”[/FONT]
[/FONT]

 

[Bogadile]

Allen I got no idea what you are talking about. Picking scriptures randomly from the old testament and reapplying them to a hike in the mountains in the 21st century?

 

[Allenbee]

Allen I got no idea what you are talking about. Picking scriptures randomly from the old testament and reapplying them to a hike in the mountains in the 21st century?

NOPE...the truth is most Christians REFUSE to believe scripture that does not suit them.
All scriptures I post are very pointedly showing God's people fleeing satans Babylon to allow it's destruction.

Here is an older post from me to you;

Hello Bogadile,
About this; https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm

Yes I agree...as clear as mud for sure !

Now here's the thing;
IF you ask a child from any religion to read Math 24;14-22, and then asked them if they see great tribulation...they will say YES ! Then if you ask them how to survive that...they will say it says "flee to the mountains".

So...NO CHURCH will teach that, BECAUSE they are CITY CHURCHES and rely on the 666 tithe... from enslaved CITY folk.
The last thing in the world they will teach is "flee to the mountains" or the woman "flies to the wilderness".
When questioned they say v14 the good news of the Kingdom is for today and so is the great tribulation, but fleeing the destruction was for 66-70AD only !!!!

From the GOD of ORDER then;

Noah separated...THEN DESTRUCTION.
Lot separated... THEN DESTRUCTION.
66AD...believers separated...THEN DESTRUCTION. (ONLY believers fled NOT all "Those in Judea".
TODAY...believers separate...THEN DESTRUCTION.

SEE... the RESULT of the prophesied separation TODAY ; ISAIAH 2;

2 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah (believers in the lion from the tribe of Judah as at 66AD) and Jerusalem. (Holy land and our Lords HQ)

2 It shall come to pass in the latter days (end time prophesy).
that the mountain of the house of the Lord
shall be established as the highest of the mountains, (Kingdom on EARTH)
and shall be lifted up above the hills;
and all the nations shall flow to it,
3 and many peoples shall come, and say:
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the house of the God of Jacob,
that he may teach us his ways
and that we may walk in his paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,[a]
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 He shall judge between the nations,
and shall decide disputes for many peoples;
and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
and their spears into pruning hooks;
nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war anymore.

5 O house of Jacob, (The whole house of Jacob...sons of Abraham).
come, let us walk
in the light of the Lord.

Then.... DESTRUCTION; h;v19-21 is Rev 6;6th seal.

.................................................. ..........................

So my brother...I read ALL scripture with "flee to the mountains" in mind.
IF Christians try that...ONLY THEN will the scriptures I post make sense.

The 4 views FROM misledChristianity...ALL miss our Lords salvation AS WRITTEN.

AS ISAIAH 2 concludes; DO NOT put your trust in earthly man. (CHURCH leaders).

The greater EXODUS has been found be individual BIBLE STUDY.

My next posts will SHOW YOU ALL...THE BEAUTY of OBEYING our Lord...OK !!!