Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

You ARE defending sin.
You can't agree that through the grace of God we can all remain in the light/God wherein is no sin.
You champion a walk in the darkness, and a remaining in sin.
The people who walk in darkness-sin cannot say they have no sin.
The people who walk in the light-God can say they have no sin.

And your denying scriptural proof, lying and still sinning in ignorance.....Pharisee!

 

[PJW]

There was no misunderstanding and I do not need your forgiveness for anything...what you should do is get on your knees and get right with God and confess your sins......

...and end up...what?
Stlll disobedient...but a follower of your doctrine of sin in Christ?
No thanks.
I have, with the power of God, escaped the darkness.

 

[dcontroversal]

...and end up...what?
Stlll disobedient...but a follower of your doctrine of sin in Christ?
No thanks.
I have, with the power of God, escaped the darkness.

You have nothing but a false gospel of a sinless perfectionist........and until you humble yourself...you will never be right!

 

[PJW]

For the record....the bolded is one of the most ignorant statements that sinless perfectionists and a few others push........you guys can forget this type of approach....and I wish I could really say what I think about it without getting banned......

Thankfully, God has made a way to escape the darkness and allow us to remain in God-light.

It starts with a true "turn from" sin.
Then baptisnm in Jesus' name for the remission of our past sins.
Do that and we will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

In baptism, not only are our past sins washed away by the blood of Christ, but we are crucified, buried and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
The result is told in the next verse..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."
Reborn of God's seed, which cannot bring forth evil fruit.

We can remain obedient till "the end".

 

[Rosemaryx]

Hi all...Before I rest for the night, how wonderful to remember that we have an Advocate before our heavenly Father Almighty God ...How wonderful that Jesus reminded us all for those who are in Him that we are not left abandoned in this world to fend for ourselves, how wonderful it is that Jesus Christ stands on our behalf pleading for us to our Father God who we cry ABBA, Oh how wonderful...xox...

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”[/FONT]

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."


1 John 1:8-10, “If we say that we have no sin, we are misleading ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.”


1 John 2:1-2, “My little children, I write this to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the Father, יהושע Messiah, a righteous One. And He Himself is an atoning offering for our sins, and not for ours only but also for all the world.”


1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

 

[TruthTalk]

But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified
(Luke 18:13-14)
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Originally Posted by PJW

No sinner has faith.

Thank you Posthuman your biblical insight is welcome. Sometimes even Christians will sin, but we have and advocate from the Father, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Repost:

If you button up your theology wrong it will be wrong from, "Top to bottom"

 

[PJW]

Well of course we are saved by the work of Christ's faith according to his three day labor of Love

It is the grace that is the gift, not the faith.
God won't force Himself on anybody.
What do you mean by "three day labor of love"?

 

[dcontroversal]

Thankfully, God has made a way to escape the darkness and allow us to remain in God-light.

It starts with a true "turn from" sin.
Then baptisnm in Jesus' name for the remission of our past sins.
Do that and we will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

In baptism, not only are our past sins washed away by the blood of Christ, but we are crucified, buried and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
The result is told in the next verse..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."
Reborn of God's seed, which cannot bring forth evil fruit.

We can remain obedient till "the end".

Thank God the grace of God out bounds our sin when we do sin.....and if a believer cannot sin then Paul must be stupid to write....shall we continue in SIN since grace abounds....what you fail to understand because you have went to seed of a false dogma is that the bible speaks to ways of LIFE and not a believer failing and sinning.....

EXACTLY why JOHN writes what he writes which you reject..........

A modern Pharisee is exactly what you are and like them....you cannot see it because of being a blind leader of the blind......

 

[oldethennew]

Paul went through many, many 'struggles' AFTER CONVERSION',
and so have we both, hub and myself...it's 'over-coming',
one-day-one-moment-at-a-time', and prayerfully we
gradually grow from a 'new-born's milk, to the
'meat' of the well seasoned 'warrior'...

we pray this for all who Love and Adore their Holy Saviour...

 

[PJW]

No need in quoting John to prove a point....you have already proven that you reject what he has to say concerning his present tense use of WE, WE, WE and US and sin......which = you being deceived nd no truth.

God is the root.
Jesus is the vine.
We are the branches.

Whosoever committeth sin, is not of that branch, vine, or root.

 

[dcontroversal]

Paul went through many, many 'struggles' AFTER CONVERSION',
and so have we both, hub and myself...it's 'over-coming',
one-day-one-moment-at-a-time', and prayerfully we
gradually grow from a 'new-born's milk, to the
'meat' of the well seasoned 'warrior'...

we pray this for all who Love and Adore their Holy Saviour...

AMEN....and the more time Paul spent with JESUS the more vile and wicked he seen himself in the flesh even though he was a saved child of GOD....HE wrote toward the end of his life-->I am the number one chief sinner among men.....after going from the least of the apostles to the least of the saints......and in the PRESENT TENSE.....

 

[dcontroversal]

God is the root.
Jesus is the vine.
We are the branches.

Whosoever committeth sin, is not of that branch, vine, or root.

Stay deceived.....the bible refutes your false stance in so many ways......no wonder you got banned from the other site....good luck Pharisee....

 

[PJW]

This sounds like a form of godliness, that in essence attempts to bring glory to YOU.

Not at all, as I was killed many years ago.

Lord, how many times must I forgive my BROTHER who SINS against me?
I'm guessing you don't forgive your brothers in Christ. Because in your deceived mind they CAN'T BE A BROTHER IN CHRIST if they have sinned.

I forgive anyone who hurts me, whether they are "in Christ" or still a sinner.

 

[Rosemaryx]

It is the grace that is the gift, not the faith.
God won't force Himself on anybody.
What do you mean by "three day labor of love"?

Faith is a free gift from God...We have all been given an amount...Ephesians 2:9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[PJW]

I, I, I, I, nice bragging...just like a Pharisee who claimed to be more righteousness and without sin.......

My bible tells me to do what I do in secret so GOD can reward me openly....not boast and brag on a public website to make myself look righteous........

Just answering your question.
How about answering mine?
Or didn't you do anything to glorify God yesterday?

 

[gb9]

Just answering your question.
How about answering mine?
Or didn't you do anything to glorify God yesterday?

so, you think that telling lies glorifies God?? because every time you say that you do not sin, you tell a lie.

 

[dcontroversal]

Faith is a free gift from God...We have all been given an amount...Ephesians 2:9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

AMEN............exactly.........

 

[gb9]

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”

if you keep reading the Gospel of John ( something you refuse to do, you only want sound bites, not the Book ), in chapter 14, Jesus says - believe in God, believe in me also.

so , once again, not pointing back to the Torah, pointing at Himself.

 

[Zi]

Male and female have both DNA and RNA.

The DNA of the male is xy. Female xx If I am remembering correctly it's the RNA that is female. And angels aren't always male.

There is a hebrew name for God that means the many breasted One. God is Spirit. Both male/female, no gender specific.

Cant remember the exact Hebrew name right now, but am thinking it's El Shaddai.