Not By Works

[VCO]

To live without sin or obedient.
Jesus was both and only him.

To be honest your post above is no more an abomination to those who walk in obedience of faith and yet acknowlede before God they get it wrong.

You claim to be sinless and those who are not are now an abomination, by inference.
I know (via pm) and have seen it but you have made people feel worthless and a piece of crap.
Something you would wipe of your shoes as you walk on by.

What you have accused others of you fall foul yourself.

No love or compassion, just piety and condemnation.

Maybe that’s why you were banned on a Christian forum you were on a few years ago.

When you stand before Jesus and he asks

”Why should I let you in”
What will be your response?

Looks to me like he is trying to make it two in a row.

Notice PJW did it again, in that post You (BillyG) replied to, making it look like I said, what he actually said.
He is probably rolling on the floor laughing, but doesn't that make guilty of this:

2 Timothy 3:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Evil people and impostors will become worse, deceiving and being deceived.

 

[VCO]

When is the rebirth? At the point of repentance and belief, or following the resurrection and judgment of all, when the corruptible shall put on incorruptibility?

He refuses to understand that Born Again applies only to spiritual part of man.

John 3:6-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

 

[posthuman]

We are to have mercy on everyone, no matter their standing before God.
It just may turn out that our mercy will sway him to the light.

Yeah nice platitude.
That's completely dodging the question.

2 Thessalonians. 3:14-15 clearly speaking to saved believers, calls a disobedient person 'brother' - on what basis then is this shared sonship - this brotherhood in Christ - since it is clearly not contingent on perfect obedience?

How is it that a disobedient believer is the brother of an obedient believer? Are you the brother of sinners? Of unbelievers?

Don't run away from the hard questions, dude. In them are amazing answers

 

[Laish]

Perhaps your memory will be jogged if you go back and read your post #42721.

I went back and read my post . I stand by my statement you made a false accusation
[FONT=&quot]"[/FONT]Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
Blessings Bill

 

[posthuman]

He quoted a verse that said ALL men fall short..."
Jesus didn't fall short, and those "in Christ" don't fall short

IOW you deny the deity of Christ, preaching here that he is a mere man, or you despise scripture, because it is in no way unclear on this point - or both.

That's clear to all of us. But what i don't understand is why you keep throwing shade on me since your beef is obviously with the Lord and the scripture?

btw you also stated adamantly that this verse, Romans 3:23, "should say" that all used to fall, past tense. Which is not true - which makes what you said bearing false witness. You never retracted that false assertion, nor did you admit that it was incorrect: that's how this all started, i corrected you, and you've been diverting ever since with this absurd false accusation.

So the other thing i don't understand here is how you think you're still sinless when we've all just watched you publicly sinning, and you aren't even repentant, but still boasting instead??

 

[posthuman]

Why would anyone want to go to a "church" that teaches what he espouses and pushes.......

What's it like to stand up and preach to a congregation that all believes they've attained perfection, if the preacher thinks he's perfect too, and agrees that everyone he is talking to is perfect?

Does he just pat everyone on the back and then pass the plate?

 

[PJW]

I've seen people abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 to teach sinless perfection. Obviously, Jesus was telling her to go and leave her life of sin—she had been practicing adultery. I don't believe that sinless perfection is being taught here. Jesus cannot compromise his perfect, holy standard, *so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."

Me neither.
Jesus knew that men, (woman), in the flash could not be men in the Spirit.
That wouldn't happen till after His death and resurrection.
Now we have been enabled to take part in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ so we too can walk in newness of life.
It is written..."[FONT=&quot]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
The "new creature" can walk in the Spirit all the time.
Thanks be to God![/FONT]

 

[PJW]

Post 42504 and you are very deceptive.......BillG is a saved child of GOD....not only did you lie about him, you lied about what took place and lied about what he said.........Commending someone is not throwing stones......WOW........
Originally Posted by BillG

Firstly I commend you in that you say “If I can do it, anybody can do it”
We can do all things in Christ.
YOUR REPLY
Let those who don't commit sin throw the first stone.
Your perception matters little.
If you saw the truth in them the offense is yours

Too bad you didn't copy the rest of his post.

 

[PJW]

Post 42988.....you seem to have no problem doing the above bolded

I don't think I have posted any "links".

 

[PJW]

In a place full if people with spiritual pride and self righteousness you make them look humble.
The very arrogant and self righteous approach, as well as manipulative, is working against your argument and proving you wrong.
If you want to prove sinless perfection perhaps try having less pride and more love. Try dealing with things head on instead of hit and run and dodging. I have yet to see a single Godly attribute reflected from you so far. As you fight to prove your sinlessness.

If I called folks liars, hypocrite, wicked, twofold the devil...like Jesus did, would the message of freedom from sin be more appealing to you?

 

[PJW]

And imperfect men have been serving the perfect God from day one...................

Day one, eh.
Was a new covenant unnecessary?
Thanks be to God, Jesus came and conquered sin while in the flesh.
Having supplied a way to live without sin anymore, He did away with all the accoutrements of the OT.
No longer a need for yearly sacrificial atonements for sin, because men didn't have to sin anymore.
No more priesthood to talk to God for us, because we can go right to the source.
No more dietary laws, because Jews and Gentiles are the same.
No more exclusion laws, because the Jews were no better than anyone else.
No more temple, because we are the temple.

Jesus said no man can serve two masters. (Matt 6:24)
He also said that whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (John 8:34)
If "imperfect" men serve sin, they don't serve God.

 

[PJW]

PJW I think it is safe to say that you deny original sin? Even though the existing world proves otherwise? Everything from the womb to the tomb we can see it in people, even the dreams people have are filled with lust during a certain time especially.
Is that not proof of original sin of some sort?

I don't buy into doctrines of men.
What sin has a one year old, (or unborn), baby done to deserve a lake of fire?
And don't credit your dreams with reality.

 

[PJW]

Man....you have accused Bill of not being saved and casting stones,
you have accused Magenta of not following which you can do without posting,
and you have accused Posthuman of saying JESUS sinned...
What is the deal with these sinless perfectionists and there incessant accusations.........??

Most are happy to admit their sins.
They see no shame in them.
It doesn't matter to those who are "saved by faith" if they sin or not.
As for Magenta...I don't know what your talking about.

 

[PJW]

When is the rebirth? At the point of repentance and belief, or following the resurrection and judgment of all, when the corruptible shall put on incorruptibility?

Thanks for asking.
Rebirth happens when we are "raised with Christ to walk in newness of life".
That is after we have been crucified and buried with Christ. (Rom 6:3-6)
All occurring at our baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)

 

[posthuman]

You haven't been following along.
Your verse was correct, till Jesus overcame sin...in the flesh.
He never fell short of the glory of God, and those baptized into Christ don't either.
There is no sin in Christ.
Are you in Christ?

Paul very obviously wrote Romans after the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord.

Try again.

 

[stonesoffire]

You forgot the ..."go, and sin no more". (John 8:11)

Adultery PJW, don't commit adultery. But, you are distracting from my point. All left. Would you cast that stone? According to you, you would have the right to choose stoning or forgiveness.

 

[stonesoffire]

Most are happy to admit their sins.
They see no shame in them.
It doesn't matter to those who are "saved by faith" if they sin or not.
As for Magenta...I don't know what your talking about.

This is not true. We all have a conscience. It is pricked when we fall short. None who belong to the Lord has a desire to sin. I think Satan sets traps. Watches for weak points, and strikes.

 

[PJW]

And who states this...NO ONE.....more delusional fantasy coming from a sinless perfectionist

John states it in 1 John 3:9.
It is written..."[FONT=&quot]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)
He says it again in 1 John 5:18..."[/FONT][FONT=&quot]We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."
Peter alludes to it in 1 Peter 4:1..."[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;"
Our "suffering with Christ" happens when we are crucified with Him...before being "raised with Him to walk in newness of life". (Rom 6:6)[/FONT]

 

[PJW]

Not hardly........

When you reach the point of "Godly sorrow" for your sins, it will "work repentance". (2 cor 7:10)
I pray you don't wait too long.

 

[fredoheaven]

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?


The Corinth Believers were called saints, saved yet some of them were still carnal, walking as men. The carnality includes envy, strife and division, they still sin yet saved by the grace of God. They weren't sinless perfect.