Not By Works

[Seohce]

Yeah it is my Lord and works still do not save, nor does your version of the gospel.

AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR LORD SAYS:

Luke 6:46-49 “WHY DO YOU CALL ME, LORD AND DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY? I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice. He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

 

[kennethleehutch]

I would never dare to think that I only needed to be cleansed one time through the blood of Jesus. We continue to sin daily. Sin must be cleansed on a daily basis. You like to use the word imputed and you are right in doing so but it means that it is a continuous process and again not a one and done deal. Don't ever fall into the trap and think that You only need to ask one time and are sanctified forever. We bring more dirt into our lives everyday and need to be cleansed every day.
[h=1]Matthew 18:21-22New International Version (NIV) 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[/h]We must continue to seek forgiveness because we continue to sin.

 

[BillG]

Do you really believe that Jesus committed sin?
That is the POV you are defending.
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You don't believe that Jesus was a man?
I can understand your confusion now.


Absolutely true...if you are walking in darkness.
Thanks be to God, though, we have another alternative.
If we walk in the light, we can have ALL our past sins washed away by the blood of Christ. Only a false repentance would accommodate a return to sin.


And Jesus will say..."depart from ye workers of iniquity".
If all men commit iniquity, (as you assert), that implies that no man will enter into salvation.
As we know that to be an errant thought, it stands to reason that some DON'T commit iniquity.
Thanks be to God!

Only some?

oh yes only those who go to your church.

If I asked you if I could come to your church what would you say?

 

[BillG]

I would never dare to think that I only needed to be cleansed one time through the blood of Jesus. We continue to sin daily. Sin must be cleansed on a daily basis. You like to use the word imputed and you are right in doing so but it means that it is a continuous process and again not a one and done deal. Don't ever fall into the trap and think that You only need to ask one time and are sanctified forever. We bring more dirt into our lives everyday and need to be cleansed every day.
Matthew 18:21-22New International Version (NIV) 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

We must continue to seek forgiveness because we continue to sin.

Foot washing?

 

[BillG]

In and out of light. What happens to the Light within? And if it goes out, who lights it again? We have an angel with a cigarette lighter going around lighting up our candles all the time?

ooh don’t say cigarette, cause if you have a cigarette lighter then you smoke cigarettes.
If you do so then you is going to hell whilst smelling like hell

 

[Prov910]

ooh don’t say cigarette, cause if you have a cigarette lighter then you smoke cigarettes.
If you do so then you is going to hell whilst smelling like hell

Wut? I've had several cigarette lighters over the years, and never smoked cigarettes. No, I smoke a pipe. But I wouldn't dream of lighting my pipe with a cigarette lighter. No self respecting pipe smoker would.

 

[BillG]

IS THIS YOUR JESUS TALKING HERE IN THIS VERSE BELOW:

Matthew 19:16-26 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

ARE YOU GREATER THAN THE ONE YOU CALL YOUR LORD WHO TAUGHT ABOUT OBEDIENCE TO THE COMMANDMENTS CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR ALL THIS TIME? I HOPE YOU WOULD HUMBLE YOURSELF AND ASK OUR LORD FOR FORGIVENESS FOR THE CONTRADICTING REMARKS.

Evening.

what are the commands you talk about that we are to obedient to?

 

[BillG]

Wut? I've had several cigarette lighters over the years, and never smoked cigarettes. No, I smoke a pipe. But I wouldn't dream of lighting my pipe with a cigarette lighter. No self respecting pipe smoker would.

Neither did my grandad.

I used to love sitting next side to him as he lit his pipe (He used matches) and smell the smoke whilst he talked about serving our country.

 

[PJW]

He acknowledges that hypocrisy is sinful,

Would you be kind enough to show that?

but claims that Paul never accused Peter, Barnabas, and the other brethren of being hypocrites.

He didn't, in the KJV of the bible.

Obviously if you are being a hypocrite, you have sinned. And in Peter and the others case they were being hypocrites about THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE, which is the Gospel.

If Peter had been seen eating with Gentiles by the visiting, law keeping Jews, he would have been called a sinner by them.
A no win situation.
Either way, though, the truth of non-exclusion was brought to light by Paul.
It is just a shame that some use this instance to accuse Peter of sin, when in actuality it was just ignorance.
I'm sure that is the case with all who use that occasion in their attempt to fight against the doctrine which is according to Godliness too. (1 Tim 6:3-4)

But PJW's sinless perfection doctrine crumbles like a house of cards if he admits that Peter and the others sinned. So he must twist the Word to fit his heresy.

It's not "my" doctrine.
It is written..."Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.{ (Matt 5:48)
It is Jesus' doctrine.

The word "fearing" is important here because it highlights the reason Peter was being a hypocrite.

Peter was afraid of something Paul wasn't...because of his ignorance.
Had Peter done this as a means of satisfying the "flesh", I could agree with you.
But that wasn't his mot
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So you can see exactly WHO is being the hypocrite. And I'm NOT talking about Peter! I'm talking about PJW.

I forgive your false accusations against myself.
Peter probably would have too, if he were still here.
As we are commanded to live with love, even attacks are welcomed as opportunities to proclaim the righteousness of God.
The root of accusing Peter of sin is the continued attack on obedience to God.
Some accuse those who have gone before of sin, so they can errantly utter that nobody is perfect.
What a mistake.

 

[dcontroversal]

AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR LORD SAYS:

Luke 6:46-49 “WHY DO YOU CALL ME, LORD AND DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY? I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice. He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

He also said....He that believes on the Son is having everlasting life......works do not save, keep saved, help one stay saved regardless of how many times you try to make it so......

 

[dcontroversal]

I would never dare to think that I only needed to be cleansed one time through the blood of Jesus. We continue to sin daily. Sin must be cleansed on a daily basis. You like to use the word imputed and you are right in doing so but it means that it is a continuous process and again not a one and done deal. Don't ever fall into the trap and think that You only need to ask one time and are sanctified forever. We bring more dirt into our lives everyday and need to be cleansed every day.
Matthew 18:21-22New International Version (NIV) 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

We must continue to seek forgiveness because we continue to sin.

You should study the word eternal and everlasting and then the perfect tense verb or the aorist tense verb.....you are conflating our daily sanctification with being SAVED, JUSTIFIED and SANCTIFIED (past tense) in Christ...........do you lose salvation every time you sin daily?

 

[dcontroversal]

Only some?

oh yes only those who go to your church.

If I asked you if I could come to your church what would you say?

Why would anyone want to go to a "church" that teaches what he espouses and pushes.......

 

[Seohce]

Evening.

what are the commands you talk about that we are to obedient to?

Good morning from the Philippines!

Hey bro, you're not the rich young man, i suppose.Are you? But Jesus answered your question and I believe that you love our Lord that you would be obedient to His commands.

John 14:12-24 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit “If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

 

[PJW]

Actually its a work of god not seen turning us so that we can hear his voice and comfort/repent our selves knowing he will never leave us a forsake us. He does all the work of salvation comforting/repenting, teaching and guiding and bringing to our minds the things he has taught us.

How "comforting" it must be to be able to accuse God of not forcing you to turn from sin.
Sounds like "man's" wisdom to me.

Many simply turn the repenting upside down as if it was something we could do without him working in us to both will and do His good pleasure.

Is this an attempt to blame God for all who have not "turned from sin"?
We are commanded to repent, of sin.
You can't blame God for not "working in us".
It is on you to quit committing sin.
All the help of God is available to you to do so, if you love Him above all else.

 

[stonesoffire]

ooh don’t say cigarette, cause if you have a cigarette lighter then you smoke cigarettes.
If you do so then you is going to hell whilst smelling like hell

lol...I always smell like smoke from our fireplace. Hence the lighter.

Am looking for the flames but not those kind. Did you know we are flames of fire?

 

[stonesoffire]

How "comforting" it must be to be able to accuse God of not forcing you to turn from sin.
Sounds like "man's" wisdom to me.


Is this an attempt to blame God for all who have not "turned from sin"?
We are commanded to repent, of sin.
You can't blame God for not "working in us".
It is on you to quit committing sin.
All the help of God is available to you to do so, if you love Him above all else.

I think I know you from bible-discussion. First user name is Philip?

Oh, and I'm banned too.

 

[PJW]

I been fully immersed and baptised into Jesus thank you very much.

Beautiful!
Your "flesh" is dead and buried, and you can now walk in the Spirit instead of in the "flesh".
Thanks be to God!
How long have you been free from sin? (Rom 6:7)

 

[PJW]

Probably a lot more than those who feel no need to because they do nothing wrong at all.

Those that humble themselves before God remain humble before God.

What is it David said of God?
Psalms 51:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it;
You do not delight in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit,
A broken and a contrite heart—
These, O God, You will not despise.

That agrees perfectly with 2 Cor 7:10..."For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

Do your legs and backside hurt when you get off that high horse at the end of day?

That doesn't sound like something from a man who has crucified the "flesh".

 

[stonesoffire]

AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR LORD SAYS:

Luke 6:46-49 “WHY DO YOU CALL ME, LORD AND DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY? I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice. He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Have you heeded the Word He spoke, you must be born from above? Then did you wait for the power? Are you pursuing prophecy? Do you move mountains? He spoke lots of things.

If you are born again...you will never hear the words He never knew you. Either one is born spiritually and iniquity gone by a new heart, new nature, or one is still in iniquity. Evil doing as your transliteration says...For being of the tree of knowledge, whether good morals, or evil doings....one is not in the tree of life.

One or the other...Adam or Jesus. No inbetween.

 

[stonesoffire]

Those that humble themselves before God remain humble before God.


That agrees perfectly with 2 Cor 7:10..."For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."


That doesn't sound like something from a man who has crucified the "flesh".

I think it's called "getting my point across".