GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[valiant]

I consider myself a nobody following Christ's instruction to "Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness". and His instruction to "live by EVERY Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God". And not just scriptures that can be used to justify some tradition soaked church doctrine.

Miaowww.

While I agree your preaching is widespread and "many" adhere to it. The Bible is where I get my instruction. If you can present scripture that proves my post scripturally inaccurate, please post them. And not once in the entire Bible did Israel create a law. So your accusation that I have bound myself to his law is not only false, but baseless.

You mean the parts that suit you?

Your preaching that God's Sabbaths were unknown before Moses is also not Scripturally accurate.

It is absolutely accurate.

Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. This was long before Moses.

Where is the Sabbath or the keeping of it mentioned?

I do not subscribe to your preaching that Adam, Abel, Noah and Abraham didn't know about God's Creation.

They just all forgot to mention it?

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So the Biblical fact is Abraham had God's Laws. To deny that is foolish.

But they did not have the covenant with Moses. He had certain laws that God gave him

If you want to create a Doctrine the preaches God's Sabbath, created at the creation of the world, wasn't included in the Laws Abraham was blessed for keeping, I can't stop you. But it seems foolish and even deceitful to do so.

God's Sabbath was taught to Moses. No one before that mentions it. It shows how important it was to them, and to God.

If you want to create a doctrine that preaches Adam and Abel didn't know about God's creation, including His sanctified Sabbath, that is your choice as well.

The Sabbath is not mentioned. It was first explained to Moses.

"Let each man be convinced in their own mind" who to listen to, God or man.

And I LISTEN to God.

 

[Hizikyah]

Actually Paul wqrote romans and does not quote Yahshua directly like John does in "The Revelation of Yahshua Messiah/Jesus Christ"None the less there is a lot to be learned from His writings, but I just want to clarify, Romans was written by Paul.

And Yahshua said this:

Romans 7

Released From the Law, Bound to Christ

7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Anytime you mention Jesus, its only as a sideline to following commands.

So does this

6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

mean that Im free from His Instructions? Have i been wrong this whole time!!!.... Nope, you misuse this passage, we are dead to sin, not dead to righteousness,

Romans 6:6-16, “knowing this, that our old man was impaled with Him, so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, to serve sin no longer. For he who has died has been made right from sin. And if we died with Messiah, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Messiah, having been raised from the dead, dies no more – death no longer rules over Him. For in that He died, He died to sin once for all; but in that He lives, He lives to Yah. So you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to YHWH in Messiah יהושע our Master. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, to obey it in its desires, neither present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to YHWH as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to YHWH. For sin shall not rule over you,b for you are not under the law but under unmerited mercy. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”

6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

and Paul grew up a Pharisee were the Law was "kept" (not really but rather twisted" by the "Letter:"

Here is an example of the Letter v the Spirit for those who have no clue what Israel did 2,000 years ago and still do;

Deuteronomy 5:22, “These Words יהוה spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a loud voice, and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.”

Deuteronomy 6:8, “and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Spirit or letter? The Spirit says one thing The letter can be twisted continually

This is how Judaisim keeps the “letter” of the Law and not the Spirit:



Rather than have the Law in their heart they “followed it” letter letter for letter, they tied the paper on which the Law was written to their head and arm.

"bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes"

Spiritually binding them to youe hand would be to do them in action

Spiritually as a frontlet between your eyes would be keeping them in your mind.…

Moy and opposite MoB...


Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 10:16, “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more.”

Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

Anytime you mention Jesus, its only as a sideline to following commands.

You sure about that? Mighty reaching accusation.

 

[valiant]

Actually Paul wqrote romans and does not quote Yahshua directly like John does in "The Revelation of Yahshua Messiah/Jesus Christ"None the less there is a lot to be learned from His writings, but I just want to clarify, Romans was written by Paul.



So does this mean that Im free from His Instructions? Have i been wrong this whole time!!!.... Nope, you misuse this passage, we are dead to sin, not dead to righteousness,

Romans 6:6-16, “knowing this, that our old man was impaled with Him, so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, to serve sin no longer. For he who has died has been made right from sin. And if we died with Messiah, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Messiah, having been raised from the dead, dies no more – death no longer rules over Him. For in that He died, He died to sin once for all; but in that He lives, He lives to Yah. So you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to YHWH in Messiah יהושע our Master. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, to obey it in its desires, neither present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to YHWH as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to YHWH. For sin shall not rule over you,b for you are not under the law but under unmerited mercy. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”



and Paul grew up a Pharisee were the Law was "kept" (not really but rather twisted" by the "Letter:"

Here is an example of the Letter v the Spirit for those who have no clue what Israel did 2,000 years ago and still do;

Deuteronomy 5:22, “These Words יהוה spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a loud voice, and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.”

Deuteronomy 6:8, “and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Spirit or letter? The Spirit says one thing The letter can be twisted continually

This is how Judaisim keeps the “letter” of the Law and not the Spirit:

View attachment 175629

Rather than have the Law in their heart they “followed it” letter letter for letter, they tied the paper on which the Law was written to their head and arm.

"bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes"

Spiritually binding them to youe hand would be to do them in action

Spiritually as a frontlet between your eyes would be keeping them in your mind.…

Moy and opposite MoB...


Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 10:16, “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more.”

Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."



You sure about that? Mighty reaching accusation.

so you are a Pharisee?

 

[gb9]

Actually Paul wqrote romans and does not quote Yahshua directly like John does in "The Revelation of Yahshua Messiah/Jesus Christ"None the less there is a lot to be learned from His writings, but I just want to clarify, Romans was written by Paul.



So does this mean that Im free from His Instructions? Have i been wrong this whole time!!!.... Nope, you misuse this passage, we are dead to sin, not dead to righteousness,

Romans 6:6-16, “knowing this, that our old man was impaled with Him, so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, to serve sin no longer. For he who has died has been made right from sin. And if we died with Messiah, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Messiah, having been raised from the dead, dies no more – death no longer rules over Him. For in that He died, He died to sin once for all; but in that He lives, He lives to Yah. So you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to YHWH in Messiah יהושע our Master. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, to obey it in its desires, neither present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to YHWH as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to YHWH. For sin shall not rule over you,b for you are not under the law but under unmerited mercy. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”



and Paul grew up a Pharisee were the Law was "kept" (not really but rather twisted" by the "Letter:"

Here is an example of the Letter v the Spirit for those who have no clue what Israel did 2,000 years ago and still do;

Deuteronomy 5:22, “These Words יהוה spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a loud voice, and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.”

Deuteronomy 6:8, “and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Spirit or letter? The Spirit says one thing The letter can be twisted continually

This is how Judaisim keeps the “letter” of the Law and not the Spirit:

View attachment 175629

Rather than have the Law in their heart they “followed it” letter letter for letter, they tied the paper on which the Law was written to their head and arm.

"bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes"

Spiritually binding them to youe hand would be to do them in action

Spiritually as a frontlet between your eyes would be keeping them in your mind.…

Moy and opposite MoB...


Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 10:16, “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more.”

Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."



You sure about that? Mighty reaching accusation.

also mighty fine deception, leaving out Romans 6 v. 1-5, because they point to Christ for salvation, not back to the Torah.

be very careful what you read people. always look at verses that are left out when someone quotes Scripture.

yet another Hebrew roots fail.

 

[Hizikyah]

so you are a Pharisee?

No, I was witnessing against what the pharisees have done in showing that application of "the letter"

also mighty fine deception, leaving out v. 1-5, because they point to Christ for salvation, not back to the Torah.

You did't post a verse about Yahshua (YHWH's Salvation) in this singular post also, could I say the same about you? No I would not becuase that would be not judgine properly. Am I supposed to include ever verse you want in every post, of post the verses in dealing with the topic at hand? I have accepted Messiah, it is time to do what He said rather than only talk about Him. Since this is a Christian site, Iassume most here have already accepted Him and while we can and should talk about Him and what He did but we should also go on to seek to do His will. (which I do in many posts, but one of the ways I do it is concerning the way YHWH says, in the Moadim, which are 100% about Yahshua, but some dont like it that way) Ohh! and would you look at that, the last passageI posted were His words, is it only OK if I ignore everything He said and talkabout Him? You drop pot shots at me and when I ask you question you never seem to answer...

Here I ahve one;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

why dont you tell me what His words in this verse mean to you? Is this verse dealing with salvation? and Is it wrong to seek to do what He actually sad?
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[phil36]

Actually Paul wqrote romans and does not quote Yahshua directly like John does in "The Revelation of Yahshua Messiah/Jesus Christ"None the less there is a lot to be learned from His writings, but I just want to clarify, Romans was written by Paul.

And John wrote the book of John.

Both Johns and Pauls are the inspired words of God. You do remember Jesus is God!

Pauls writings are dripping about Jesus. And Pauls words are in inspired by God..Jesus is God remember?

It seems to me you have an issue with the inspiration of scripture. Have you forgotten that the apostle peter put Pauls writings in par with scripture? Have you forgotten that Paul got His revelation directly from Christ?

For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.[c]12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1.


Hizikyah the more I read from you the more concerned I get.. you are basically denying the authority of all scripture, except what you choose.

You have just lost all credibility.

 

[Hizikyah]

And John wrote the book of John.

Both Johns and Pauls are the inspired words of God. You do remember Jesus is God!

Pauls writings are dripping about Jesus. And Pauls words are in inspired by God..Jesus is God remember?

It seems to me you have an issue with the inspiration of scripture. Have you forgotten that the apostle peter put Pauls writings in par with scripture? Have you forgotten that Paul got His revelation directly from Christ?

For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.[c]12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1.


Hizikyah the more I read from you the more concerned I get.. you are basically denying the authority of all scripture, except what you choose.

You have just lost all credibility.

You twist what I say, constantly accuse me, never seem to answer any of my questions and ignore much of what is written.

Recieving words from Yahshua/Jesus is blessed, and true, I said in Revelation it is directly Yahshua/Jesus words, not spoken though anyone. and none of the Scriptures were actually written by Yahshua, but why do they make distinciond in the words and say "Jesus said, "......"

Ill tell you what the day you can give me a breakdown and commentary of thoseverses Iasked you about is the day I will take your accusations more seriously. Not trying to be rude, but it seems to be many accusations from you.

 

[phil36]

You twist what I say, constantly accuse me, never seem to answer any of my questions and ignore much of what is written.

Recieving words from Yahshua/Jesus is blessed, and true, I said in Revelation it is directly Yahshua/Jesus words, not spoken though anyone. and none of the Scriptures were actually written by Yahshua, but why do they make distinciond in the words and say "Jesus said, "......"

Ill tell you what the day you can give me a breakdown and commentary of thoseverses Iasked you about is the day I will take your accusations more seriously. Not trying to be rude, but it seems to be many accusations from you.

As I say you have no credibility. Its clear what you said and what you mean't: here it is again.

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

Actually Paul wqrote romans and does not quote Yahshua directly like John does in "The Revelation of Yahshua Messiah/Jesus Christ"None the less there is a lot to be learned from His writings, but I just want to clarify, Romans was written by Paul.

Once one has to deny the authority of all scripture to prove a point (or make some scripture inferior) - that is the time we know the point is false!

Paul has as much authority as John in the scriptures. Why, because it is all God breathed!

For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.[c]12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1.

 

[Hizikyah]

As I say you have no credibility. Its clear what you said and what you mean't: here it is again.

Once one has to deny the authority of all scripture to prove a point (or make some scripture inferior) - that is the time we know the point is false!

Paul has as much authority as John in the scriptures. Why, because it is all God breathed!

For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.[c]12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1.

You are saying im saying something I did not.



I said Paul wrote Romans and does not directly quote Yahshua, if there is a place in Romans where it says "Jesus said..." In Revelations their are parts that says "Jesus said...." In Mat, Mark, Luke and John, quotes "Jesus said...." show me, where Romans say that and I will repent.


I did not say Pauls writings were not inspired

 

[valiant]

You are saying im saying something I did not.



I said Paul wrote Romans and does not directly quote Yahshua, if there is a place in Romans where it says "Jesus said..." In Revelations their are parts that says "Jesus said...." In Mat, Mark, Luke and John, quotes "Jesus said...." show me, where Romans say that and I will repent.


I did not say Pauls writings were not inspired

If I say 'Jesus said', will you take me as inspired?

 

[valiant]

If I say 'Jesus said', will you take me as inspired?

If Paul is inspired, his words are as much the words of God as Jesus'

 

[Hizikyah]

If I say 'Jesus said', will you take me as inspired?

If it was written in a reliable text yes, they would be inspired words, if it was not written, no they would not guaranteed inspired words.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 2:15, “Do your utmost to present yourself approved to Yah, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly handling the Word of Truth.”[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Thessalonians 5:21, "but test everything; hold fast what is righteous."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 17:17, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth.”[/FONT]

 

[phil36]

You are saying im saying something I did not.



I said Paul wrote Romans and does not directly quote Yahshua, if there is a place in Romans where it says "Jesus said..." In Revelations their are parts that says "Jesus said...." In Mat, Mark, Luke and John, quotes "Jesus said...." show me, where Romans say that and I will repent.


I did not say Pauls writings were not inspired

Hi Hizikyah,

Its a very subtle ploy you are using.. I used scripture and said Jesus said this (it was from Romans), Yes I know Paul wrote it but it came from God. And is not Jesus God.. Did not Paul receive the very words he preached from Jesus Himself? So I would say you need to repent. I would say Pauls words where Jesus' word's!

Read the text again.

For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1.

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

Actually Paul wqrote romans and does not quote Yahshua directly like John does in "The Revelation of Yahshua Messiah/Jesus Christ"None the less there is a lot to be learned from His writings, but I just want to clarify, Romans was written by Paul.

The above was your defence against me using the romans verses.

You are saying that Paul is not on parr with other scripture writers because he does not 'directly quote' Jesus's sayings. Heres what you say about Paul's writings:

None the less there is a lot to be learned from His writings, but I just want to clarify, Romans was written by Paul.

What you have done is very subtle but very dangerous. I will remind you of what scripture says.

For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.[c]12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1.


13 [FONT=&quot]And [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]we also thank God constantly[/FONT][FONT=&quot][a][/FONT][FONT=&quot] for this, that when you received [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]not as the word of men[/FONT][FONT=&quot][b][/FONT][FONT=&quot] but as what it really is, the word of God, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]which is at work in you believers. 1 Thess 2:13

And the list goes on.


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[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah,
Its a very subtle ploy you are using.. I used scripture and said Jesus said this (it was from Romans), Yes I know Paul wrote it but it came from God. And is not Jesus God.. Did not Paul receive the very words he preached from Jesus Himself? So I would say you need to repent. I would say Pauls words where Jesus' word's!

Read the text again.
For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1.

The above was your defence against me using the romans verses.
You are saying that Paul is not on parr with other scripture writers because he does not 'directly quote' Jesus's sayings. Heres what you say about Paul's writings:

What you have done is very subtle but very dangerous. I will remind you of what scripture says.

For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.[c]12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1.

13 And we also thank God constantly[a] for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men[b] but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers. 1 Thess 2:13

And the list goes on.

and I used Paul's writings in that reply to you. But there are not quotes from Yahshua/Jesus. Thank is a fact, you are too much. I never said I trow Paul's writings away, I asid Yahshua/Jesus is not quoted.

and nobodys words are on par with YHWH's and Yahshua's if you denty this you deny words directly out of the mouth of YHWH; Tell me, what does this mean to you, it may be able to end this debate;

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."[/FONT]

are you going to actually give me you breakdown of these verses or go to other verses or jsut not reply, becaue lets be honest, you never answer my questions about Scripture.

So please tell me what these mean to you. Sincerely I want to know, no funny business I want to know.

 

[phil36]

and I used Paul's writings in that reply to you. But there are not quotes from Yahshua/Jesus. Thank is a fact, you are too much. I never said I trow Paul's writings away, I asid Yahshua/Jesus is not quoted.

and nobodys words are on par with YHWH's and Yahshua's if you denty this you deny words directly out of the mouth of YHWH; Tell me, what does this mean to you, it may be able to end this debate;

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

are you going to actually give me you breakdown of these verses or go to other verses or jsut not reply, becaue lets be honest, you never answer my questions about Scripture.

So please tell me what these mean to you. Sincerely I want to know, no funny business I want to know.

Pauls words are God's words, they are not just--what was it you said?

None the less there is a lot to be learned from His writings, but I just want to clarify, Romans was written by Paul.

I rest my case! Paul got his words from Jesus. Therefore thy are the words of God. All scripture is God breathed.

 

[Hizikyah]

Pauls words are God's words, they are not just--what was it you said?
I rest my case! Paul got his words from Jesus. Therefore thy are the words of God. All scripture is God breathed.

So i cant get a breakdown of the Scriptures I asked about but you can accuse me day after day. OK.

 

[loveme1]

If Paul is inspired, his words are as much the words of God as Jesus'

2 Peter 3

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.








The Words of the Messiah were proclaimed as giving Everlasting Life Before Paul was converted post Resurrection..

Paul is Beloved and given wisdom to share but let us know that nothing is contrary but all affirms the Lord’s Testament.

My Bible Give the Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John... and then elaborated and built upon by many through to Revelation... all inspired writings but Peter warns that the unlearned and unstable wrest... and how many times do we see folks reach for Paul rather than believe the Messiah’s Instructions.. many were saved before any of Paul’s writings.. and no this is not anti Paul.. Paul puts so much into perspective... wisdom indeed.. Faithful and took all the persecution patiently unto death for the Glory of GOD and the Lord.

Paul himself stated:

1 Corinthians 3

1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

 

[phil36]

So i cant get a breakdown of the Scriptures I asked about but you can accuse me day after day. OK.

I think you would need to tell me which ones you think are the words of Jesus first? Plus I don't see why you ask someone to do the very think that you do not do.

You list reams of scripture relating to commands with no context or even out of context when together. You can't have it all ways Hizikyah.

This could be easliy sorted. Do you believe Christian are commanded to observe the Sabbath (sat -fri eve-sat eve-)?

 

[Hizikyah]

I think you would need to tell me which ones you think are the words of Jesus first? Plus I don't see why you ask someone to do the very think that you do not do.

You list reams of scripture relating to commands with no context or even out of context when together. You can't have it all ways Hizikyah.

This could be easliy sorted. Do you believe Christian are commanded to observe the Sabbath (sat -fri eve-sat eve-)?

NO Im done answer your questions, you accuse me and accuse me, I ask you questions on how you view certian Scriptures ,you never reply to them, no breakdown, no commentary, just ignore them and accuse me. I have answer your questions a numbder of times in the past few days, and probably before that , but for sure the past few days, if you can give me your view on those Scriptures I asked about, we can have starting pointfrom which to move forward, you can not, accuse me, ignore my questions and honeslty think its ok. give me your breakdown and we can move forward. a real breakdown/commentary.

 

[phil36]

NO Im done answer your questions, you accuse me and accuse me, I ask you questions on how you view certian Scriptures ,you never reply to them, no breakdown, no commentary, just ignore them and accuse me. I have answer your questions a numbder of times in the past few days, and probably before that , but for sure the past few days, if you can give me your view on those Scriptures I asked about, we can have starting pointfrom which to move forward, you can not, accuse me, ignore my questions and honeslty think its ok. give me your breakdown and we can move forward.

Its a simple question really and it relates to the OP.

Do you believe Christians are commanded to observe Sabbath? But I think we already know the answer?