Not By Works
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Glad to see you dcontroversal as many know I've had a holy spirit day,speaking to some people that claim perfection in the holy spirit and they still don't understand,but it's no big deal for me I'll never lose my faith in God nor my salvation through Jesus,if they keep at this I'll just be motivated that much more to speak truth,but anyhow I believe I'll take a break and go to other threads,I stand firm for God but naturally everyone needs some rest in some way,mine is silly threads,sleep,or relaxing music,talk to you later.
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Hmm...no I don't think I see the difference...
Not sure I can explain my mind here but..if I trust Him that I am forgiven and will live forever, but then don't trust Him that I don't have to worry about provision, this makes me a liar. I am saying I trust Him for eternal life while also not trusting Him for a comparatively smaller miracle?
When He points out this insane discrepancy or fracture to me, a struggle begins and a growth in trust results in the end.
This is how He grows my faith, by pointing my mistrust out to me and bringing me to the struggle. This is what my race of continued and growing trust has looked like, though He gives me breaks too.
Not sure I can explain my mind here but..if I trust Him that I am forgiven and will live forever, but then don't trust Him that I don't have to worry about provision, this makes me a liar. I am saying I trust Him for eternal life while also not trusting Him for a comparatively smaller miracle?
When He points out this insane discrepancy or fracture to me, a struggle begins and a growth in trust results in the end.
This is how He grows my faith, by pointing my mistrust out to me and bringing me to the struggle. This is what my race of continued and growing trust has looked like, though He gives me breaks too.
Even if they WEREN'T lies/hacked, those words should not have been posted in this forum. The fact that someone would not see the inappropriateness of such filthy words in a Christian forum is puzzling to me. We aren't talking about mild cursing here. It was very vile and gross. I don't think you would post stuff like that about someone you disagree with even if it WERE their true posts. You seem a little harsh and mean in your responses sometimes, (just my opinion),but I think you would not do that from what I've come to know of you.
I'm sorry that has happened to your tweet account. Or...twitter? Don't really remember what it's called. I think I'm glad I don't have one of those accounts, seeing as what happened to you.
I'm sorry that has happened to your tweet account. Or...twitter? Don't really remember what it's called.
I think I'm glad I don't have one of those accounts, seeing as what happened to you.
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It does not say that, Stop adding to the word of God!!
It says AFTER you believed, You were sealed. (Both are aorist tense verbs) It does not say after this we must continue to believe or our seal is broken, That would mean we can break the seal of God.
As for your question. Non of the above.
Those who have true faith will never lose faith, because God will never give them a reason to. YOU ONLY lose faith in people WHO PROVE UNTRUSTWORTHY.
it is sad you think God is so untrustworthy people may lose faiht in him. When will you repent?
Thanks for doing the "digging".
I do include sins of omission with the more flagrant lying, adultery, and murder.
But I also know that they who love their neighbors as themselves do help those in need.
The "answer" you picked up on must have been intended for Rokurac.
It's been too long ago for me to remember particulars.
The key to your above paragraph is "clearly they are not".
Please remember that in spite of the posers, there are also real obedient to God folks on earth still.
PS. Leave the misdeeds of others in the past, having forgiven them.
Move on to the next test you will receive as a means of glorifying of God.
I do include sins of omission with the more flagrant lying, adultery, and murder.
But I also know that they who love their neighbors as themselves do help those in need.
The "answer" you picked up on must have been intended for Rokurac.
It's been too long ago for me to remember particulars.
The key to your above paragraph is "clearly they are not".
Please remember that in spite of the posers, there are also real obedient to God folks on earth still.
PS. Leave the misdeeds of others in the past, having forgiven them.
Move on to the next test you will receive as a means of glorifying of God.
On the one hand, I agree.
But you overlooked that Jesus specifically mentioned iniquity.
Iniquity is sin.
Men who say they are Christians, while still committing sin...were never Christians to begin with.
They trusted in their own works, false doctrines, and will suffer eternally for it.
Thank God for making a way to remain in the light, all the time!
But you overlooked that Jesus specifically mentioned iniquity.
Iniquity is sin.
Men who say they are Christians, while still committing sin...were never Christians to begin with.
They trusted in their own works, false doctrines, and will suffer eternally for it.
Thank God for making a way to remain in the light, all the time!
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The Bible does in fact say that salvation is conditioned on present believing. You have the sealing of the Holy Spirit if you are presently believing.
Nobody's arguing that you were not sealed when you believed. And all the Greek aorist tense means it happened in the past. That's all:
You people keep adding the meaning of unstoppable ongoing results to the meaning of the Greek aorist tense. It does NOT mean that. It only means it happened at a point in time in the past, which is not even in debate.
Oh, don't misunderstand. God withdraws the seal, not you. He does it when the believer no longer satisfies the condition of present believing for salvation.
That's answer #2. That means you agree that there is something that can separate you from your salvation: unbelief. But you argue that the believer will be prevented from doing that by God.
Well, thank you for your opinion, but there are people who do walk away from God because they love sin more than they do righteousness. It's not a matter of whether God is trustworthy or not. They simply prefer the world more than they do the righteousness of God.
Perhaps you'd understand what I'm saying if you realized this is about people loving and relying on their sin more than they do the right things of God and because of that they go back to the world in an open rejection of Christ's forgiveness. Sometimes in a not so open rejection of Christ, but a rejection of Christ in unbelief nonetheless.
Nobody's arguing that you were not sealed when you believed. And all the Greek aorist tense means it happened in the past. That's all:
"...the aorist simply states the fact that an action has happened. It gives no information on how long it took, or whether the results are still in effect." The Tenses Explained
You people keep adding the meaning of unstoppable ongoing results to the meaning of the Greek aorist tense. It does NOT mean that. It only means it happened at a point in time in the past, which is not even in debate.
Oh, don't misunderstand. God withdraws the seal, not you. He does it when the believer no longer satisfies the condition of present believing for salvation.
That's answer #2. That means you agree that there is something that can separate you from your salvation: unbelief. But you argue that the believer will be prevented from doing that by God.
Well, thank you for your opinion, but there are people who do walk away from God because they love sin more than they do righteousness. It's not a matter of whether God is trustworthy or not. They simply prefer the world more than they do the righteousness of God.
Perhaps you'd understand what I'm saying if you realized this is about people loving and relying on their sin more than they do the right things of God and because of that they go back to the world in an open rejection of Christ's forgiveness. Sometimes in a not so open rejection of Christ, but a rejection of Christ in unbelief nonetheless.
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John was addressing those who walk in darkness.
Those who walk in the light have had ALL their sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
Why can't they say they have no sin?
Now I admit that not all supposed converts will remain in the light, but there are some who do.
To the glory of God and the name of Jesus Christ!
Those who walk in the light have had ALL their sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
Why can't they say they have no sin?
Now I admit that not all supposed converts will remain in the light, but there are some who do.
To the glory of God and the name of Jesus Christ!
