Not By Works

[loveme1]

Romans 10:3
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

What makes add that verse to what HizikYah shared?

He is not in unbelief but believes in Christ according to knowledge.




Romans 10


[FONT=&quot]10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.[/FONT]

 

[PHart]

Please explain. Does sin not emanate from the will of man? His heart, and not his body?

Has anybody said in this thread that they will not sin anymore?

Temptation is not sin. If it is, then Jesus was a sinner.

 

[PJW]

You can say. And you do say so.
There are others who say they do sin and acknowledge that before God, they confess it (totally different from those who don’t give two hoots about sinning)

Agreed.
But if you don't quit those sins for good, you have in essence lied to God.
Confession is garbage if you don't change your ways.

Those believers you judge as sinners and more or less say they are going to hell.

I don't judge anybody.
The word of God, that I use, does that.
If men feel guilty, they can change their ways like I did.

If memory serves me it’s Jesus who sits on judgement over people both those who profess faith and those who don’t.
I certainly can’t judge another believer.

It is written..."[FONT=&quot]But he that is spiritual [/FONT]judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." (1 Cor 2:15)

If as you say you are not(sic) sinless is there any reason why I can’t place my faith in you?

You can believe the words I write, as they are from the bible.
I am just another man, but my King is the Creator of everything, including the reborn me.

After all You now place yourself in the judgement seat of Jesus and are perfect to do so.

Final judgement is His.
But I have every right to say "this milk is warm".
Or closer to the topic, "murderers and liars are not Christians".

Why wouldn’t I? I’ve never conversed with Jesus as a physical person like I do with you.


We know Jesus is perfect and also you are saying you are.

Didn't Jesus command us to be perfect, in Matt 5:48?

Whom do I follow?
You or him?

Lets see what Paul said..."[FONT=&quot]Be ye [/FONT]followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." (1 Cor 11:1)

Please start rereading your posts before hitting the "POST" button.
I have to keep correcting your errors for MY post to make any sense.

 

[PHart]

RUN YOUR VIRUS DETECTOR and Malwarbytes. It could be the start of an attack.

Stones, just hit the F5 key. That refreshes the page you're viewing and that may restore your 'Like' buttons. It does on my computer in Chrome.

 

[PJW]

It is a clear warning to all of us, just how dangerous those FALSE PROPHETS that led him astray really are.
Matthew 24:24-25 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] "Behold, I have told you in advance.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.
2 Timothy 3:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

It is written..."[FONT=&quot]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matt 5:48)[/FONT]

 

[gb9]

Agreed.
But if you don't quit those sins for good, you have in essence lied to God.
Confession is garbage if you don't change your ways.


I don't judge anybody.
The word of God, that I use, does that.
If men feel guilty, they can change their ways like I did.


It is written..."But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." (1 Cor 2:15)


You can believe the words I write, as they are from the bible.
I am just another man, but my King is the Creator of everything, including the reborn me.


Final judgement is His.
But I have every right to say "this milk is warm".
Or closer to the topic, "murderers and liars are not Christians".


Didn't Jesus command us to be perfect, in Matt 5:48?


Lets see what Paul said..."Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." (1 Cor 11:1)

Please start rereading your posts before hitting the "POST" button.
I have to keep correcting your errors for MY post to make any sense.

perfect in that verse means mature, not without sin. do some studying, get some actual facts, stop the " I don't sin ' lies.

 

[PJW]

Pjw I do not willfully sin.. why? Because GOD loves and forgave me of my sin through Faith in His Son my Lord and Saviour.

Our Gracious GOD is my Father through Faith in His Son and I love my Father. I delight in His Commandments because I Love Him.. more than anything.. everyone knows the score I won’t tell my children a lie that I love them more than GOD because it is GOD who taught me what Love is.. and through this Love I can love.. Many would gasp but My First Love is GOD.. and though the Messiah teaches this.. I find it in my Heart as if His Word testifies to that which is within.. rather than the other.. which is the Holy Spirit of Truth.. the same Truth spoken by the Messiah.. a mystery .. not for we believers.. because His Words are life and that life be within all by the power of GOD to those that Repent and Believe.

Here is my thought.. rather than tell everyone you don’t sin.. because we can neither attest or deny.. but Christ will judge you and I as doers of the Royal Law..

Why not share the Love and forgiveness you received.. yes share your hope and point sheep forward to the Good Shepherd so they Hear His voice as you did..

GOD is my Lord and GOD Himself knows if I willfully sin.. for like Bill said we are given our daily prayer and I will not sleep until I pray this.. no boast .. but the Words are part of our daily walk on the path of Righteousness..

Because of Christ’s Victory I’m under Grace at liberty to Love.. Kept by the power of GOD just as many are and undeservedly..

Thank you for your gracious suggestions.
Perhaps in a thread about "thanksgiving", I shall manifest all that God has done for me...by faith in Christ Jesus.
BTW, there is no sin that is not done on purpose.
James makes it pretty clear in James 1:14-15 that there are a few steps to accomplish before sin is committed.

 

[PJW]

NO, it is a prayer that the Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod) recites EVERY SUNDAY, because they realize and understand that the SIN NATURE is in our mortal flesh until the day we DIE.

Apparently they don't beleive in "rebirth".

 

[loveme1]

perfect in that verse means mature, not without sin. do some studying, get some actual facts, stop the " I don't sin ' lies.

To be perfect like GOD is to be without sin.. we are to set our heart to obey Christ..

To accuse a man of sin without being able to prove is not brotherly love.. if a person does not believe in Christ then they are condemned and have sinned.. but after a person believes and is purged.. be not the one to accuse him without proof.

2 Peter 1

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[PJW]

NO, it is a prayer that the Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod) recites EVERY SUNDAY, because they realize and understand that the SIN NATURE is in our mortal flesh until the day we DIE.

Apparently they don't beleive in "rebirth".

 

[PJW]

1 Corinthians 6:9-12 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Trust the keeping power of the name of the Lord and the Spirit, folks. We can't be like the hog being washed up for the county fair, only to roll in the next mud puddle inside the gate on the way to the barn. If it could, should it explain it was in fact washed clean, but the mud keeps getting on, so it needs daily washing? We are supposed to be freed up enough not to fall back, backslide by habit, forever needing the same treatment from God we needed before we first believed.

AMEN!
Preach it!

 

[loveme1]

Thank you for your gracious suggestions.
Perhaps in a thread about "thanksgiving", I shall manifest all that God has done for me...by faith in Christ Jesus.
BTW, there is no sin that is not done on purpose.
James makes it pretty clear in James 1:14-15 that there are a few steps to accomplish before sin is committed.

Here is a thought.. and you can ignore all my thoughts.. but I will share...

If I go in to a store and decide to steal a loaf of bread and do.. my sin is willfully..

If I go in to the store and forget to pay for that bread my sin is not willfully.. once I learn of the matter I go and pay for the bread..


Now.. I could go on and on.. and I have had to send money and return to pay for items I had not paid for my mistake.. sometimes the workers look at me like are you for real.. but even the smallest item must be paid for once I’m aware.

Now GOD knows we are mortals and so many distractions.. so yes.. some things are ignorant tresspasses that need remorse and restore. It is the Holy Spirit within that guides and comforts.. and somethings are in ignorance.

By some standards when by mistake I’m at the incorrect speed for the road which sometimes Iam I’m sinning.. i Believe not.. but some believe that.

i don’t speed but at times I get the speed limit wrong and reduce my speed once aware..

 

[gb9]

To be perfect like GOD is to be without sin.. we are to set our heart to obey Christ..

To accuse a man of sin without being able to prove is not brotherly love.. if a person does not believe in Christ then they are condemned and have sinned.. but after a person believes and is purged.. be not the one to accuse him without proof.

2 Peter 1

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

to say that one is not sinless is not an accusation. it is a fact. using the Biblical definition of sin, missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good, and not doing so, no one can truthfully say that they are sinless.

ya'll do know that on judgement day, God is not going to ask you your opinion. you get 2 choices. one, accept Christ's righteousness, two, perfectly keep the Law. if you forfeit one, you have to stand on two. and, according to James, the brother of the Lord, if you break one command, you break them all.

that is all it takes. one time. one mistake. one bad decision. forget the willfull vs. unwilful sin deception. use scripture. not your church or personal or denominational opinions.

 

[PJW]

To "willfully sin" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. No remorse, no repentance just bring it on!

The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

If you can't say "I have no sin", doesn't that make your sin habitual?

 

[loveme1]

to say that one is not sinless is not an accusation. it is a fact. using the Biblical definition of sin, missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good, and not doing so, no one can truthfully say that they are sinless.

ya'll do know that on judgement day, God is not going to ask you your opinion. you get 2 choices. one, accept Christ's righteousness, two, perfectly keep the Law. if you forfeit one, you have to stand on two. and, according to James, the brother of the Lord, if you break one command, you break them all.

that is all it takes. one time. one mistake. one bad decision. forget the willfull vs. unwilful sin deception. use scripture. not your church or personal or denominational opinions.

You are judging the man.. and it is not your place to do so... our time before Christ will come.

Now.. you have told me not to do something that you yourself did..

Show me where it is written I get 2 choices?

There is one choice and that is to believe in Christ and be judged by the law of Faith or remain condemned in unbelief.

Now that belief means I’m to be a doer of His Royal Law.

We are to be found in peace and blameless..

If the Lord said to not sin then we are to believe Him and that if the Lord spoke it.. it is possible by the power of GOD if we believe...

Do not doubt the Lord.. Believe His Word.

 

[PJW]

The devil has no need to attack the lost....he already has them....but to ruin a saved man's witness.....jackpot....

And your point proves what exactly....nothing...

It made sense relative to the poster I responded to.

..Peter writes to those who have received like precious faith and states clearly that the devil walks about seeking to devour them....
Funny thing about PETER....he vacillated, denied the Lord, lacked faith, disagreed and argued with JESUS. was even called SATAN once by JESUS...

Not after receiving the Holy Ghost, he didn't.

..He alone disproves your point....JESUS told him that the devil wants to sift him as wheat.....AND even AFTER salvation, fruit worthy of repentance, immersion, walking with JESUS for 3+ years, healing the sick, casting out demons, walking on water, raising the dead, preaching, immersing new converts etc.......WAS TOLD

Salvation won't be assured till after the final judgement.
Life is a marathon, not a sprint.
Peter's new life didn't start till he was "quickened" by the Holy Ghost.

WHEN you are CONVERTED (MATURED) feed my sheep....

You need to look up "converted" in a dictionary.

WAKE UP man.....even the most righteous of the bible failed, sinned, and did the things like listed ABOVE.....OUR daily sanctification, maturity and growth HAVE NOTHING to do with the salvation and faith we ALREADY POSSESS.

Jesus din't fail.
Enoch didn't fail.
There is no record of Silas, Timothy, Lydia, James, Philip, Stephen, Stephanas, Fortunatus, Achaicus, Aquila, Priscilla, Titus, Luke, Tychicus, Epaphras, Archippus, Eubulus, Onesiphorus, Pudens, Linus, Claudia, or the centurion ever sinning.

You seem to look at the alleged unrighteous for your examples.
You are making a gave mistake.

HE that is without sin cast the first stone!

Aren't you glad the OT is over?
I wish you knew the freedom of life in Christ, life without service to sin.

 

[PJW]

Of course they will not admit they sin.....how can they...destroys their false sinless perfectionist cracker jack theology.....

EVEN DANIEL confessed his sins......now watch them say Daniel was not saved.......

Daniel had the days of atonement for his sins.
According to the "sin won't keep you out of heaven" crowd, only the sacrificial animals enjoyed a better life after Jesus' resurrection.
Thank God for the rebirth...of Godly seed that CANNOT bring forth evil fruit.

 

[loveme1]

Some good points PJW.. ^^^

 

[PJW]

If we do not spray the weeds with Round Up they will choke out the garden...........

(sarcasm alert)
Ya, those horrible false prophets!
How dare they expound on obedience to God on a Christian computer site!
The nerve!
(Alert over)
No weapon made by man can conquer US.

 

[PJW]

The problem is not the matter of believing these scriptures. The problem is thinking these scriptures make grace a license to sin, which many in the church think.[/QUOTE]

EVERY time you say this you lie...NO ONE promotes this, states this, embraces this, or even slightly pushes this......one who believes continuing in the faith is what saves does not MISREPRESENT the truth like the above bolded as much as you do.

Will you at least admit that those who "draw back into perdition" don't have faith? (Heb 10:39)