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Thanks for the tip. Will try it tomorrow on the computer. Am on the iPad right now. It has its own quirks.
God loves very much the "One" who is pure and Holy and He loves us His children so much that He had a plan in place to save us from the fall that He knew would happen to Adam and Eve. So we can be sanctified through the Holy Spirit of God. In Him. How much purerer can we be then to be positioned by our faith into God?
I will answer. No. We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. Righteous ones of faith.
Doesnt mean we are perfected yet.
Amen. We have been cleansed and purified.
When you see His presence in us purifies us, it is our walk in the grace of the Lord,
that is our Holiness, you begin to grasp the glorious reality He has brought on to this earth.
Only the Kingdom knows Holiness, truth, purity, love that is eternal.
You do not learn it from man or the world.
How different are you when clean? The same except the junk has gone.
When you have a plate that is dirty and a plate that is clean what is the difference?
The dirt, not the plate. People expect something that is not meant to be.
What is different in us, is that love of Christ and of our fellow man.
We are so close to walking in Jesus's ways, and being lost.
A perfect day starts with getting up, having food, going about doing what needs
to be done. It is simple. Where is the problem? The words we share, attitudes we
take, the way we want and interact.
But for some walking in the ways of Jesus pure clean and holy even for 1 day is impossible.
So I ask, what is salvation and the Kingdom for them? What is actually believing Christ?
The gospel writers wrote these phrases for a reason.
"Your sins are forgiven."
"See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."
John 5:14
Purification is not the problem it is the addiction or attitude to sin.
The saints are described as Keeping the Commandments of GOD and Having the Faith of Jesus.
Modern day theology leads to doubt and rejection of the simplicity in Christ for the im dead in my trespasses covered by the Righteousness of Christ.. sounds noble to the unbelieving ear.. yet Christ Himself teaches us to be Righteous and perfect.. to Keep the Commandments of GOD.. to cut off our hand if it cause us to sin... remove our eye... that is because it is by believing His Testament that we are Kept by the power of GOD.. believe Him above all else First and foremost.
If your mind reaches to a Paul said.. in place of what Christ said then you are yet to believe.
By the same Spirit all were inspired to elaborate and give examples of what the Messiah taught.
All perfectly placed to Teach and edify us believers.. but all affirm to the Testimony of the Messiah.
I fear that the True gospel is being called counterfeit.. saddened.. because the Gospel teaches Faith that worketh by Love.. and no one should be accused of wrong doing for their obedience to GOD.. but.. is that not what happens to all that believe GOD above men? Through the Old and New Testament from even Cain and Abel.. obedience seems to provoke hate and rage.. our Lord and Saviour did no wrong and was hated.. what should any who believe and Trust expect from the world? To be exalted and given a platform.. tv shows and riches befriending those in power? The True followers will be found in lowly places.. they will not sell out for power or riches.. they have their Good Shepherd as their example... the True King who walked with the poor and sick.. doing nothing but the will of His Father.. humbling indeed.
To those in Christ the True Church of GOD be Faithful always and love GOD and each other just as Christ did.. just as those who were to witness and proclaim the Gospel did.
Forgive as you are forgiven, have mercy as you have received mercy.. love even your enemies. Bring no charge against those that despise you.. be not a judge but a doer and may you and I be worthy to walk in white with the Lord in the Kingdom of GOD may we enter.
peace, love and Grace to you all and all Glory to Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour always and forever.
Do you see though Peter, the triune being of man? Where we have been purified and made Holy is in our Spirit. There is the Holy of Holies for we are now tabernacles of God on earth. If the light is dim within, it is covered by the soul that has not yet been cleansed by the renewing of our mind. That's the bushel basket of the parable of Jesus. So we go through the process of salvation of our soul.
How do we gain victory in this area of our being? By declaring our death to our human nature by the action of royal blood now our spiritual DNA. For it's our body that has been corrupted by sin. Affected our very DNA and brought death. That came from Adam. And our soul and spirit cut off from the presence of God.
Jesus has reversed this curse. But it's begun in our Spirit man for that is where we rule from. Where God exists. Our soul only knows the world and our connection to it. There is our natural man.
Sin is not the problem for the born again believer. It's truth. Truth has been hidden by the dark ages of years gone by, but now is being revived. We are coming into the awareness of heaven and learning to operate from our position there. Bringing heavens ways to earth. Our soul becoming one with our Spirit man. Then the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead will quicken or make alive our body. I think this is the rapture of Thessalonians. When the mortal takes on immortality and we are forever one with Him and one with all His body.
We can't change our flesh. We can only be spiritual Sons by death to the old, and life in the new. This is a new age called grace. Grace abounds and is greater than sin. Greater than the prince of the power of the air in this world. Andbis the ruling power of the believer. It frees us to be who God has already made us within.
I hope your eyes open Peter for you are loved.
If you have to be controlled by laws loveme, then you are not yet freed from your nature of sin.
You are still a sheep wandering in the wilderness and need the rod of the shepherd to keep you in the flock. Not the way of the Sons of God at all.
Sons will rule and reign with Jesus. That is the mind of Christ.
Blood is our salvation. Is our Passover experience of being born from above. Given eternal life. Pentecost is our sanctification when we are being taught Sonship to rule with Him by the Spirit and the gifts given. This is the Holy place of our tabernacle. (Body)
Tabernacles is the perfect coming. The Holy of Holies within. When the Presence of the Lord fills the house. Whose house are we.
Here is a psalm for you stones...
Psalm 23
[FONT="]23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
Now let those that have ears and eyes through the Spirit of Christ by the power of GOD discern what you say..
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So what is your point by posting this psalm loveme?
Lets discern what you are saying for my words were clear. I am not hiding my thoughts.
How is it when I read your post that psalm came to my mind? Compare what you wrote to the psalm I shared for my fellow sheep to discern whether they want the Good Shepherd leading them and comforted by His rod and staff or like you wrote as though you are free to roam and not be led on the path of Righteousness by the Good Shepherd..
If you are above the rest of us and wiser than we then let it be known that I remain a sheep being lead by the Good Shepherd the Bishop of my soul and be counted lower and unwise by your position always.
He brought it on himself for claiming to be sinless, 100% of the time.
Nobody is arguing against that, but this does not mean we are without sin, 100% of the time.
So even though Abraham was said to obey God's voice, and keep His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws, we see that he was not sinless, 100% of the time. Also, the word "keep" does not mean sinless, perfect obedience 100% of the time. I've seen people abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 to teach sinless perfection. Jesus was telling the woman to go and leave her life of sin, namely, she had been practicing adultery. Also, Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."
Righteous and blameless does not mean that they were sinless, 100% of the time (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23).
So you just admitted it. WE KNOW THEY ALSO SINNED. Thank you! So Zacharias and Elisabeth were not righteous (in right standing with God) through their own goodness (Isaiah 64:6; Romans 3:10,23), but their faith was accounted to them as righteousness, just as with Noah (Hebrews 11:7) and Abraham (Romans 4:3). Even under the Old Testament, the only way to be in right standing with God was through faith (Habakkuk 2:4; Galatians 3:11). No one could keep the law perfectly (Romans 3:23; 6:23), so faith had to be put in the mercy and forgiveness of God (Philippians 3:9).
So do you claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect 100% of the time just like God the Father? Are we actually perfect "in that sense?" NO. Matthew 5:48 - Be Perfect - AT Robertson points out - Perfect (teleioi). The word comes from telo, end, goal, limit. Here it is the goal set before us, the absolute standard of our Heavenly Father, which He cannot compromise. The word is used also for relative perfection as of adults compared with children.
So absolute perfection, sinless, without fault or defect for us will not become a reality until we are present with the Lord, but that is the goal to strive for. Yet teleioi is also used to refer to the maturity of an adult, which is the end or aim to which the child points. Thus it denotes those who have attained the full development of innate powers, in contrast to those who are still in the undeveloped state (children). So what Jesus said does not contradict my preaching.
Kept the faith does not mean sinless, 100% of the time. There are multiple crowns mentioned in scripture.
Notice in 1 Corinthians 6:9 that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God, describes the sinful lifestyle of the unrighteous in verse 9-10, then as we read on in verse 11, we discover - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. All because of FAITH, not sinless perfection.
So you believe that PJW is sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect 100% of the time, just as Jesus Christ Himself? 1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Did Jesus demand sinless perfection in the flesh? as the basis for receiving eternal life in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26.
So why are you defending sinless perfection out of one side of your mouth then admitting we sin out of the other side?
We are told not to sin, yet does this mean we NEVER sin at all?
This is what we are commanded to do and is the goal set before us to strive for, yet obviously, if those who are born again never sin at all, then Paul would not have to give us these instructions, so obviously, it happens, Christians are not sinless, 100% of the time.
"Sin has no dominion over you/dead in your sins" because we are not under the law, but under grace, but that still does not mean we never sin at all.
The Bible teaches in 1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin (present tense), we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. God's word judges those who claim to be sinless, 100% of the time.
Sinless perfection is not taught in Romans 7:25.
The Greek word for "put on" is "enduo" and means to enclose oneself in, as when one "puts on" clothes or armor or some other item. Involved in this is the idea of "imitation" and "identification."
Second, the verb in Greek translated "put on" has the meaning of putting on a badge or uniform of service like that of a soldier.
"Let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light...put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.” (Romans 13:12,14)
"Put off," wrote Paul, "the old man," and "put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness"(Ephesians 4:22,24); And, "put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."(Ephesians 6:11) The allusion is to putting off old clothes and putting on new ones, to enclosing oneself in armor, etc. Nothing here suggests sinless perfection.
I believe it and this does not mean sinless perfection. The NIV says - For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin. Believers are no longer slaves of sin, but are not slaves of righteousness (Romans 6:18) but that does not mean we will never sin again at all. If it did, then 1 John 1:8-2:1 is superfluous.
Still does not mean sinless perfection.
By claiming sinless perfection? Yeah right
(1 John 1:8-10). How do you know he was sent to do as you suggested? You continue to speak out of both sides of your mouth. Sin "reigns" in your mortal body is one thing and occasional acts of sin are another.
1 John 1:8-10 is all the evidence I need to disprove sinless perfection.
Sons are not above the sheep. Sons were once sheep, but the beast (sin nature) has died. Sons rise from the ashes to give testimony of the Spirit.
I certainly hope you don't desire to remain a sheep for even though you may be saved, you have to be continually kept or you will wander.
And wool and linen doesnt mix.
I have to say thank you and supreme thanks to Yah for He changed my life, brought me out of the bottom of the pit and Has guided me continually, glory to Yah for this!
Hebrews 12:3-5, “For consider Him who endured such opposition from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and faint in your lives."4, You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin."5, And you have forgotten the appeal which speaks to you as to sons, “My son, do not despise the discipline of יהוה, nor faint when you are reproved by Him,"
Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Romans 12:1-2, “I call upon you, therefore, brothers, through the compassion of Yah, to present your bodies a living offering – set-apart, well-pleasing to Yah – your reasonable worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you prove what is that good and well-pleasing and perfect desire of Yah.”
Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."
Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”
Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”
Mark 10:52, "And יהושע said to him, “Go, your belief has healed you.” And immediately he saw again and followed יהושע on the way."
Mark 5:34, “And He said to her, “Daughter, your belief has healed you. Go in peace, and be relieved from your affliction.”
Luke 17:19, “And He said to him, “Rise, go your way. Your belief has made you well.”
John 5:14, “Afterward יהושע found him in the Set-apart Place, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, so that no worse matter befalls you.”
John 8:11, "And she said, “No one, Master.” And יהושע said to her, “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.”
While I am not perfect I do seek His will and ways.
Romans 6:16-20, “Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? But thanks to Yah that you were servants of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching to which you were entrusted. And having been set free from sin, you became servants of righteousness. I speak as a man, because of the weakness of your flesh. For even as you did present your members as servants of uncleanness, and of lawlessness resulting in lawlessness, so now present your members as servants of righteousness resulting in set-apartness. For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness.”
He guides and and corrects us, at times with the rod, we should be thinkful IMO;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 12:3-17, “For consider Him who endured such opposition from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and faint in your lives."4, You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin."5, And you have forgotten the appeal which speaks to you as to sons, “My son, do not despise the discipline of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], nor faint when you are reproved by Him,"6, for whom [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]loves, He disciplines, and flogs every son whom He receives.” (Pro 3:11-12) "7, If you endure discipline, Yah is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom a father does not discipline?"8, But if you are without discipline, of which all have become sharers, then you are illegitimate and not sons."9, Moreover, we indeed had fathers of our flesh disciplining us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?"10, For they indeed disciplined us for a few days as seemed best to them, but He does it for our profit, so that we might share His apartness."11, And indeed, no discipline seems pleasant at the time, but grievous, but afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it."12, So, strengthen the hands which hang down and the weak knees, Isa 35:3."13, and make straight paths for your feet, lest the lame be turned aside, but instead, to be healed."14, Pursue peace with all, and pursue apartness without which no one shall see the Master."15, See to it that no one falls short of the favor of Yah, that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, by which many become defiled,"16, lest there be anyone who whores, or profane one, like Ěsaw, who for a single meal sold his birthright. 17, For you know that afterward, when he wished to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it with tears.”[/FONT]
There is only one true standard of Love, we can ask one million people "what is love" we will probably get one million different answers, yet if we ask Yah, we will get the same answer every time;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and (#G2087 ) any othercommandments aresummed up ( #G346 ) in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan/John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of YHWH: When we love YHWH by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of YHWH: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."[/FONT]
I do desire to remain part of the flock and be fed... and just as the the Lamb of GOD can be the Son of GOD and a Bishop of Souls, High Priest, Chief Shepherd and King and Lord.. can a sheep be a child of GOD.. a saint of the Most High.. part of the Bride of Christ.. and whatever else is used to represent those that believe and born again of the Holy Spirit who love and obey their Lord.. worshipping their GOD in Spirit and Truth partaking in the New Covenant through Faith.
It is a blessing to be kept by the Good Shepherd let me never wander from behind Him.
