Sabbath

[phil36]

Your right, The 4th commandment has it;s origins from creation. but there is something that happens that spoils that rest we have with God..the Fall.. The Mosaic covenant was to show unholy we are and to be schoolmaster until Christ came.

We are not under the legal obligations of the Mosaic law...

On the 7th day God rested from His works, this was echoed in the Mosaic law/2nd temple judaism, yet the Isrealites/Jews could not rest from their works,,,they had to continually 'work' to restore their relationship with God. Work 6 days rest for 1 then start again, back to sacrifices and rituals.

Jesus set us free from that. He is the our Sabbath rest, we no longer need to do the 'works of the law' for Christ fufilled them and in Christ we fulfil them as His righteousness is counted t us. therefore we enter His rest.. (already -not yet), this rest aswell as our full sanctification (glorification) awaits consummation.

Man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man, and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, Its His rest that He gives His Children.

Anyhow we are not legally obliged to the law of Moses, the moral law is in our hearts and it bears fruit in us through the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit to produce good fruit. We are not under the Mosaic Sabbath either and at that I'l refer you back to post #3457.

By reading you post above I can see you have misunderstood what I have written, I agree the Law is Good! But it is not the law we are slave to, but Christ.

BTW I have never said that the Lords day replaced the Mosaic Sabbath. But rather its the day Chrstians use to remember Christ and to worship and rest in Him awaiting the final eternal rest.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Your right, The 4th commandment has it;s origins from creation. but there is something that happens that spoils that rest we have with God..the Fall.. The Mosaic covenant was to show unholy we are and to be schoolmaster until Christ came.

We are not under the legal obligations of the Mosaic law...

On the 7th day God rested from His works, this was echoed in the Mosaic law/2nd temple judaism, yet the Isrealites/Jews could not rest from their works,,,they had to continually 'work' to restore their relationship with God. Work 6 days rest for 1 then start again, back to sacrifices and rituals.

Jesus set us free from that. He is the our Sabbath rest, we no longer need to do the 'works of the law' for Christ fufilled them and in Christ we fulfil them as His righteousness is counted t us. therefore we enter His rest.. (already -not yet), this rest aswell as our full sanctification (glorification) awaits consummation.

Man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man, and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, Its His rest that He gives His Children.

Anyhow we are not legally obliged to the law of Moses, the moral law is in our hearts and it bears fruit in us through the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit to produce good fruit. We are not under the Mosaic Sabbath either and at that I'l refer you back to post #3457.

By reading you post above I can see you have misunderstood what I have written, I agree the Law is Good! But it is not the law we are slave to, but Christ.

BTW I have never said that the Lords day replaced the Mosaic Sabbath. But rather its the day Chrstians use to remember Christ and to worship and rest in Him awaiting the final eternal rest.

Hi Phil

It is only by faith that works by love that anyone can follow him who loves all. How can we being evil do good things? Truly, truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he can in no wise see the Kingdom of Heaven. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned and they are foolishness unto him. Many are called but few are chosen because narrow is the way and few there be that find it. Only the mirror shows the way so the blind can see. Those that say they see are really the blind ones and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch. Those that have looked into the mirror however see they are blind so they walk by faith and not by sight. They see the one who loves all and follow him. Only by love can God fulfill his Law in the blind because they walk by faith and see him who loves all. The mirror shows the way.

I think you missed the whole point of post 3460.

How can what you say be correct if the Sabbath has never been a Shadow of anything because it is part of a finished work and given before the fall of mankind? Genesis 2:1-3, indeed undoes everything you have posted.

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday as a Holy day. Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man breaking the commandments of God. Jesus says if we follow the traditions and teachings of man over the Word of God we are not following God. (see Matthew 15:3-9).

Who should we obey God or man?

 

[phil36]

Hi Phil

It is only by faith that works by love that anyone can follow him who loves all. How can we being evil do good things? Truly, truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he can in no wise see the Kingdom of Heaven. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned and they are foolishness unto him. Many are called but few are chosen because narrow is the way and few there be that find it. Only the mirror shows the way so the blind can see. Those that say they see are really the blind ones and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch. Those that have looked into the mirror however see they are blind so they walk by faith and not by sight. They see the one who loves all and follow him. Only by love can God fulfill his Law in the blind because they walk by faith and see him who loves all. The mirror shows the way.

I think you missed the whole point of post 3460.

How can what you say be correct if the Sabbath has never been a Shadow of anything because it is part of a finished work and given before the fall of mankind? Genesis 2:1-3, indeed undoes everything you have posted.

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday as a Holy day. Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man breaking the commandments of God. Jesus says if we follow the traditions and teachings of man over the Word of God we are not following God. (see Matthew 15:3-9).

Who should we obey God or man?

I never said the the Sabbath was abolished, I said Christ fulfilled all the mosaic law including the ten commandments..that includes the Mosaic Sabbath. It is all fulfilled, but yet to be consummated (it will when the Kingdom is consummated at the second coming). The New Covenant is Greater because Christ is greater.

Scripture also tells us not put ourselves back under the yoke of the 'works of the law' as that is making a shipwreck of your Faith.

Jesus Christ is our Sabbath rest (you seem to be getting hung up on days of the week,Paul also speaks about that Galatians 4)





Hebrews 4New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

A Sabbath-rest for the people of God

4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.[a] 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
‘So I declared on oath in my anger,
“They shall never enter my rest.”’[b]

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: ‘On the seventh day God rested from all his works.’[c] 5 And again in the passage above he says, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it ‘Today’. This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
‘Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.’[d]

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[e] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Jesus the great high priest

14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[f] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to feel sympathy for our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are – yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I never said the the Sabbath was abolished, I said Christ fulfilled all the mosaic law including the ten commandments..that includes the Mosaic Sabbath. It is all fulfilled, but yet to be consummated (it will when the Kingdom is consummated at the second coming). The New Covenant is Greater because Christ is greater.

Scripture also tells us not put ourselves back under the yoke of the 'works of the law' as that is making a shipwreck of your Faith.

Jesus Christ is our Sabbath rest (you seem to be getting hung up on days of the week,Paul also speaks about that Galatians 4)

Hebrews 4New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

A Sabbath-rest for the people of God

4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.[a] 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
‘So I declared on oath in my anger,
“They shall never enter my rest.”’[b]

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: ‘On the seventh day God rested from all his works.’[c] 5 And again in the passage above he says, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it ‘Today’. This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
‘Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.’[d]

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[e] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Jesus the great high priest

14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[f] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to feel sympathy for our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are – yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Friend you seem to ignore the scriptures from post 3460 and post 3462 above showing that everything you have stated cannot be true because of the origin of the Sabbath in creation. Now you want to talk about Hebrews 4? Ok let's look at Hebrews Chapter 4.

HEBREWS 4

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limited a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Key Scripture points...............

* Fear that the promise being left us any of us should fall short of entering God’s rest (v1)
* The Gospel was preached to the people in the Wilderness as well as us. The Word did not profit those in the wilderness because of their unbelief (v2)
* For we which have believed do enter into His Rest. The people in the wilderness that did not believe God did not enter into His Rest even though works were finished from the foundation of the world (v3)
* Speaking of the 7th Day Sabbath and the last day of the creation week (Gen 2:1-3) (v4)
* God’s rest (Gen 2:1-3), those that believe enter into God’s 7th Day Sabbath rest those that do not believe do not enter into God’s 7th Day Sabbath rest (v5-6)
* Harden not your heart in unbelief (v7-8)
* There is a rest for the people of God (v9)
* Those that enter into God’s rest (Gen 2:1-3) cease from works as God did v10
* We should labour to enter into God’s rest (Gen 2:1-3) faith in God’s Word (rest through believing God) v11
* The Word of God is powerful. v12

Please go back and look at the Greek meaning of the word "rest" used in Heb 4:9 its meaning is resting through keeping of a Sabbath or Sabbath observance. (I have provided Greek links below)

Hebrews 4:9 (NAS)
“There remaineth therefore a [Sabbath] rest G4520 to the people of God.”

The Greek word literally means “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance.” (links below)

Strong's Concordance 4520
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Strong's Greek 4520
σαββατισμὸς — 1 Occ.
Hebrews 4:9N-NMS
GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ
NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people
KJV: therefore a rest to the people
INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός
σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath); 1. a keeping sabbath. 2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

So let’s pull Hebrews 4:1-12 all together?

The context is God’s rest from the week of creation on the 7th Day of the creation week (Hebrews 4:1-5). Those that did not enter into God’s rest (7th Day Sabbath) did not enter in because of their unbelief and disobedience (sins) to God’s Word. The Gospel was preached unto them but they did not believe it (Hebrews 4:2). God did not give them His true rest (Hebrews 4:5-8). This is the same warning for those that disobey Him and do not follow His Word. Only those that believe and obey God’s Word enter into his 7th Day Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4:6, 9, 10-12). So you can see Jesus is not a Sabbath. The Sabbath is the 7th Day of the Week. Jesus is Lord of this Day because he is the creator of this day (Hebrews 4:4; Mark 2:28).

There is no scripture in all of God’s Word that says that Jesus is a Sabbath only that he is the Lord of the Sabbath and he made it for all of mankind and commands us to keep it as a holy day as a memorial of creation (Mark 2:27-28; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11)

So Hebrews 4 does not say what you are saying. There is no scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath, the same as there is no scripture that says the Sabbath commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a tradition and teaching of man and if we are following the traditions of man that break the commandment of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Once again who should we follow God or man?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Phil36,

Can you tell me the meaning of the scriptures I posted earlier in your view?

What does the following mean to you........................

It is only by faith that works by love that anyone can follow him who loves all. How can we being evil do good things? Truly, truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he can in no wise see the Kingdom of Heaven. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned and they are foolishness unto him. Many are called but few are chosen because narrow is the way and few there be that find it. Only the mirror shows the way so the blind can see. Those that say they see are really the blind ones and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch. Those that have looked into the mirror however see they are blind so they walk by faith and not by sight. They see the one who loves all and follow him. Only by love can God fulfill his Law in the blind because they walk by faith and see him who loves all. The mirror shows the way.

Look forward to your reply...

 

[Dan_473]

Hello Dan,

Your post above does not break down anything, or have you addressed the scriptures in post #s 3433 or 3423.

Let's look at some other scriptures that are on this same topic that tie in with Matthew 22:36-40 that may help.......

Matthew 22:36-40 (The two great commandments of love that fulfills God's Law)36, Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37, And he said unto him, (1) Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38, This is the first and great commandment. 39, And the second like unto it is this, (2) Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40, On these two commandments the whole law hangs, and the prophets. (Jesus is quoting from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18)

Jesus says we have (1) a duty of love to God as well as a (2) duty of love to our neighbor in Matthew 22:36-40 and on these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets....

Now let's look at the message of Jesus to the rich young ruler. I believe this is the same message that can be a blessing or a curse to you because you hold the same belief that if you only have to follow the 2nd great commandment of love to your neighbor...

Matthew 19:16-26
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17, And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandment(s) <Plural more then one referring to the two Great one love to God and neighbor>. 18, He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19, Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. < Jesus first quotes our duty of love in the 2nd Great commandment> 20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? <The rich young ruler followed this commandment but deep down inside he knew he lacked something> 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22, But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23, Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24, And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25, When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26, But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

This was the message to the rich young ruler because he believed he practiced love to His neighbor which is the second great commandment and this is what you believe, but Jesus tells him Go sell all that you have and give it to the poor and come and follow me. The rich young ruler went away sorrowful because he had great possessions.....

What is the meaning?

The rich young ruler believed he was following God because he was obeying God's 2nd great commandment which is our duty of Love our neighbor. He quotes the commandments the are our duty of love to our neighbor but deep down inside he knew that something was wrong, so he went and asks Jesus, What must I do to that I may have eternal life? Jesus then shows him that he loved his possessions more than God and was not obeying the 1st great commandment and duty of love to God. His God and idol was his possessions which he loved more than God.

Was the rich young ruler in a saved state?

But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. He was sorrowful because Jesus showed him he was not really following his duty of Love to God (1st great commandment) and goes on to say... Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

If we break one of God's commandments of love on which all the Law and the prophets hang, we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them... If we reject God's Word then God's Word will judge us in the last days..

Consider very carefully God's Word my friend and today if you hear his voice follow him who through love is calling you..

"breaking it down" as in talking about some of the things you wrote, line upon line.

this
The whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
is from Galatians.


can you understand a proverb, and the interpretation, the words of the wise, and their dark sayings?

 

[phil36]

Phil36,

Can you tell me the meaning of the scriptures I posted earlier in your view?

What does the following mean to you........................

It is only by faith that works by love that anyone can follow him who loves all. How can we being evil do good things? Truly, truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he can in no wise see the Kingdom of Heaven. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned and they are foolishness unto him. Many are called but few are chosen because narrow is the way and few there be that find it. Only the mirror shows the way so the blind can see. Those that say they see are really the blind ones and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch. Those that have looked into the mirror however see they are blind so they walk by faith and not by sight. They see the one who loves all and follow him. Only by love can God fulfill his Law in the blind because they walk by faith and see him who loves all. The mirror shows the way.

Look forward to your reply...

I'm not really sure what you mean? I would Jesus Christ shows the way, I am the way truth and life.

 

[Endoscopy]

"breaking it down" as in talking about some of the things you wrote, line upon line.

this
The whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
is from Galatians.


can you understand a proverb, and the interpretation, the words of the wise, and their dark sayings?

The whole quote is this from Mathew.

Matthew 22:36-40 New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

 

[Hizikyah]

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."


John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."


1 Yahanan/John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of YHWH: When we love YHWH by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of YHWH: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mat 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (the intent/sums up) the Law and the Prophets."


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete


Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) all, whole, completely


Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and (#G2087 ) any othercommandments are summed up ( #G346 ) in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."


“any”is word #G2087 - heteros
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the other, another, other, 1 to number,1a1) to number as opposed to some former person or thing,1a2) the other of two,1b) to quality,1b1) another: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different


“summed up” is word #G346 – anakephalaioó: to sum up, gather up, Original Word: ἀνακεφαλαιόω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: anakephalaioó, Phonetic Spelling: (an-ak-ef-al-ah'-ee-om-ahee), Short Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one, Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one

"On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

"and (#G2087 ) any other commandments are summed up ( #G346 ) in these Laws"

Yahshua and Paul did not say these abolish or overwrite the rest, but rather the rest are contained in these, me\aning if he rest are broken, these are broken...

 

[phil36]

Yahshua and Paul did not say these abolish or overwrite the rest, but rather the rest are contained in these, me\aning if he rest are broken, these are broken...

Your right Jesus and Paul did not say the law was abolished or overwritten, but find their fulfilment in Christ.

Christ gave them their full meaning.. Love God--love your neigbour,, as all the law and prophets hang/depend on that/them, the the OT Mosaic law. Which points to Christ, in all His work.

Because Christ fulfilled the law, that is he is the true obedient one/perfect unlike the first Adam. Christ is righteous, the One true Priest and prophet (greater than the OT priests and prophets who where only a shadow Heb 1:1-4; NB.Heb 4:14- 5:16).

In Christ fulfilling all righteousness, that is God's Holy requirements set out in the law, we who are in Christ are 'counted' as righteous. We are no longer under the legal demands of the Mosaic economy/law. For it points to Christ and is fulfilled by Him.

We can only uphold the Law because Christ Himself perfectly obeyed it and payed the curse for us, and in Him we uphold/establish the law. We no longer strive under the law, but grace.

I think in your above post, you have misunderstood why, first of all the why Christ had to come and secondly the nature of His work then and now. You conflate the Mosaic covenant with the New.

 

[Hizikyah]

Your right Jesus and Paul did not say the law was abolished or overwritten, but find their fulfilment in Christ.

Christ gave them their full meaning.. Love God--love your neigbour,, as all the law and prophets hang/depend on that/them, the the OT Mosaic law. Which points to Christ, in all His work.

Because Christ fulfilled the law, that is he is the true obedient one/perfect unlike the first Adam. Christ is righteous, the One true Priest and prophet (greater than the OT priests and prophets who where only a shadow Heb 1:1-4; NB.Heb 4:14- 5:16).

In Christ fulfilling all righteousness, that is God's Holy requirements set out in the law, we who are in Christ are 'counted' as righteous. We are no longer under the legal demands of the Mosaic economy/law. For it points to Christ and is fulfilled by Him.

We can only uphold the Law because Christ Himself perfectly obeyed it and payed the curse for us, and in Him we uphold/establish the law. We no longer strive under the law, but grace.

I think in your above post, you have misunderstood why, first of all the why Christ had to come and secondly the nature of His work then and now. You conflate the Mosaic covenant with the New.

Did heaven and earth pass? You isolate and ignore what is written. The Messiah did not do the Law so you didn't have to... He fulfilled it so you didn't have to walk in it? Yet breaking the Law is sin...

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"

Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"

1 Yahanan/John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of YHWH: When we love YHWH by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of YHWH: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mat 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh – the smallest of the letters – will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of YHWH; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of YHWH."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

Did heaven and earth pass? No? Then;

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until Yahchanan(John), since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

1 Yahanan/John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of YHWH: When we love YHWH by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of YHWH: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

 

[phil36]

Did heaven and earth pass? You isolate and ignore what is written. The Messiah did not do the Law so you didn't have to... He fulfilled it so you didn't have to walk in it? Yet breaking the Law is sin...

Yes I read what you wrote.

If Jesus was not obedient to the law and was perfect under it, then where is the righteousness. If we take your view then we have no righteousness 'counted' to us. Jesus was born under the law and lived it perfectly, he was the obedient one. He is the ''''righteous one' and thats the righteousness counted to us.

Christians are no longer under the Mosaic law for Christ was perfectly obedient under it and therefore fulfilled it. Your statement holds no warrant:

Did heaven and earth pass?

I actually answered that here in post # 3470:

Your right Jesus and Paul did not say the law was abolished or overwritten, but find their fulfilment in Christ.

Christians are no longer under the law..Hebrews goes into great detail about this. If you ut yourself under the yoke of the law you are making shipwreck of your faith.

Galatians 4:

8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God – or rather are known by God – how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces[d]? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
12 I plead with you, brothers and sisters, become like me, for I became like you. You did me no wrong. 13 As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you, 14 and even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself. 15 Where, then, is your blessing of me now? I can testify that, if you could have done so, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me. 16 Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?
17 Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them. 18 It is fine to be zealous, provided the purpose is good, and to be so always, not just when I am with you. 19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20 how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!
Hagar and Sarah

21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
24 These things are being taken figuratively: the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: this is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:
‘Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who were never in labour;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.’[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? ‘Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.’[f]31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes I read what you wrote.

If Jesus was not obedient to the law and was perfect under it, then where is the righteousness. If we take your view then we have no righteousness 'counted' to us. Jesus was born under the law and lived it perfectly, he was the obedient one. He is the ''''righteous one' and thats the righteousness counted to us.

Didn't say that, I basically said it is still the narrow path, period.

Sin is breaking the Law.

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Replying to the rest now.

 

[Hizikyah]

Christians are no longer under the law..Hebrews goes into great detail about this. If you ut yourself under the yoke of the law you are making shipwreck of your faith.

Galatians 4:

8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God – or rather are known by God – how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces[d]? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
12 I plead with you, brothers and sisters, become like me, for I became like you. You did me no wrong. 13 As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you, 14 and even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself. 15 Where, then, is your blessing of me now? I can testify that, if you could have done so, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me. 16 Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?
17 Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them. 18 It is fine to be zealous, provided the purpose is good, and to be so always, not just when I am with you. 19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20 how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!
Hagar and Sarah

21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
24 These things are being taken figuratively: the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: this is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:
‘Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who were never in labour;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.’[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? ‘Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.’[f]31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

You twist Paul's writings; You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."

Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."

Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."

 

[Hizikyah]

We are no longer in bondage to sin...satan calls Yah's Laws bondage, men of Yah call sin bondage.

 

[phil36]

Didn't say that, I basically said it is still the narrow path, period.

Sin is breaking the Law.

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Replying to the rest now.

Of course sin is breaking the law who said it wasn't? But we are no longer under its condemnation, Christ fulfilled it and paid the price of it's requirements for law breakers. So your point is still lacking.

We are not under the legal obligations of the Mosaic law, it has been surpassed by Christ!

[h=1]Matthew 5:20New International Version - UK (NIVUK)[/h]20 [FONT=&quot]For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.[/FONT]

[h=1]Romans 10:3-4New International Version - UK (NIVUK)[/h][FONT=&quot]3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]4 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes[/FONT][FONT=&quot].

[h=1]Hebrews 7:26-8:5New International Version - UK (NIVUK)[/h]26 Such a high priest truly meets our need – one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect for ever.
[h=3]The high priest of a new covenant[/h]8 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: we do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: ‘See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.’[a]
[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

Didn't say that, I basically said it is still the narrow path, period.

Sin is breaking the Law.

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Replying to the rest now.

Of course sin is breaking the law who said it wasn't? But we are no longer under its condemnation, Christ fulfilled it and paid the price of it's requirements for law breakers. So your point is still lacking.

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

We are not under the legal obligations of the Mosaic law, it has been surpassed by Christ!

Romans 10:3-4New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Hebrews 7:26-8:5New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

26 Such a high priest truly meets our need – one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect for ever.
The high priest of a new covenant

8 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: we do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: ‘See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.’[a]

We can not earn Salvation by only obedience to the Law of the Creator, as James said and as Yahshua Himself said it takes faith and works. Romans 10:4 is a verses mistranslated in the majority of Bibles thus blurring the lines of truth. Christ is not “the end of the Law” but rather Yahshua showed the intent, ultimate result or goal (telos) of keeping the Law of YHWH.


The word translated “end” is word#G5056, τέλος, telos, tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid):—+ continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

Lets look at places this word is used in the Konie Greek originals to get an idea of it meaning and context;

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

1 Peter 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith – the salvation of your souls."

If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away or at an end in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away or at an end in 1 Peter 1:9. Unless of course “telos” means the goal.

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #G5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

James 5:11, “Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (telos) of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.”

James 5:11, “See, we call those blessed who endure. You have heard of the endurance of Iyoḇ and saw the purpose(telos) of יהוה, that He is very sympathetic and compassionate.”

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end (telos) of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the goal (telos) of this command is love from a clean heart, from a good conscience and a sincere belief.”

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

Romans 6:22, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end (telos) everlasting life.”

Romans 6:22, “But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of Yah, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the goal (telos); everlasting life.”

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

The word is used in the sense of the end result, the goal, the outcome, not in the sense of the obliteration of the Law…

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”

1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of our instruction/command is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."

*goalis word #G5056 télos - Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

Hebrews 7:26-8:5New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

26 Such a high priest truly meets our need – one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect for ever.
The high priest of a new covenant

8 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: we do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: ‘See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.’[a]

and the High Priest says;

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

John 12:26, “26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”

Luke 11:28, But He said, “Blessed rather are those hearing the Word of Yah and watching over it!”

Luke 8:21, “And He answering, said to them, “My mother and My brothers are those who are hearing the Word of Yah and doing it.”

John/Yahanan 6:27, John 6:27, “Do not labor for the food that is perishing, but for the food that is remaining to everlasting life, which the Son of Aḏam shall give you, for the Father, Yah, has set His seal on Him.”

Mat 19:16-17, "And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life? And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – YHWH. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

 

[phil36]

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"



We can not earn Salvation by only obedience to the Law of the Creator, as James said and as Yahshua Himself said it takes faith and works. Romans 10:4 is a verses mistranslated in the majority of Bibles thus blurring the lines of truth. Christ is not “the end of the Law” but rather Yahshua showed the intent, ultimate result or goal (telos) of keeping the Law of YHWH.


The word translated “end” is word#G5056, τέλος, telos, tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid):—+ continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

Lets look at places this word is used in the Konie Greek originals to get an idea of it meaning and context;

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

1 Peter 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith – the salvation of your souls."

If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away or at an end in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away or at an end in 1 Peter 1:9. Unless of course “telos” means the goal.

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #G5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

James 5:11, “Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (telos) of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.”

James 5:11, “See, we call those blessed who endure. You have heard of the endurance of Iyoḇ and saw the purpose(telos) of יהוה, that He is very sympathetic and compassionate.”

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end (telos) of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the goal (telos) of this command is love from a clean heart, from a good conscience and a sincere belief.”

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

Romans 6:22, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end (telos) everlasting life.”

Romans 6:22, “But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of Yah, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the goal (telos); everlasting life.”

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

The word is used in the sense of the end result, the goal, the outcome, not in the sense of the obliteration of the Law…

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”

1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of our instruction/command is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."

*goalis word #G5056 télos - Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.



and the High Priest says;

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

John 12:26, “26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”

Luke 11:28, But He said, “Blessed rather are those hearing the Word of Yah and watching over it!”

Luke 8:21, “And He answering, said to them, “My mother and My brothers are those who are hearing the Word of Yah and doing it.”

John/Yahanan 6:27, John 6:27, “Do not labor for the food that is perishing, but for the food that is remaining to everlasting life, which the Son of Aḏam shall give you, for the Father, Yah, has set His seal on Him.”

Mat 19:16-17, "And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life? And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – YHWH. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Yep, and the only one who fully and perfectly obeyed the commandments was Christ and Him we fulfil the law, it is written on our hearts:

But the fruit of the Spirit i love,joy,peace,patience,kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control...against such things there is no law. We refrain from immoral things for we have the power to do sin, having been set free from the bondage of sin in Christ. And we are 'counted' with His righteousness as he was perfectly obedient to the law.

We cannot keep the teachings of Jesus by putting ourselves under the yoke of the Mosaic law, which He fulfilled and was born under .


The Mosaic law never set anyone free from the bondage of sin, it magnified their sin... we live by the power of the Spirit. who has set us free so that we actually can please God.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Micah 6:8, “He has declared to you, O man, what is right. And what does [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]require of you but to do right, and to love loving-commitment, and to walk humbly with your Father?”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan/John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of YHWH: When we love YHWH by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of YHWH: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."[/FONT]

 

[phil36]

Hi Hizikyah,

Do you think we are still to live under the Mosaic law? If yes why, if not why?