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Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
Psalm 119:97, “O how I love Your Torah! It is my study all day long. Your commands make me wiser than my enemies; For it is ever before me."
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
Psalm 119:97, “O how I love Your Torah! It is my study all day long. Your commands make me wiser than my enemies; For it is ever before me."
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No, I said SPIRITUAL morons, not stupid morons.
And I'm not calling Paul that. I'm calling the Catholic Church leadership spiritual morons who thought that any and all law keeping could be nothing else but you trying to justify yourself. Their stunted, unspiritual minds could not grasp that Paul was not saying you could not keep the law. He was saying that you can not keep the law in order to be justified. THAT is what is forbidden.
There is nothing wrong whatsoever in keeping the law of Moses for any purpose other than trying to be justified. If somebody wants to keep a Mosaic Sabbath, or a particular feast, they can. Just don't do it with the intention of trying to make yourself righteous by it. Nobody on the 'anti law' side seem to be addressing the believers freedom to keep the law if they want to. All they seem to be able to hear is that any and all attempt to keep the law of Moses is you trying to make yourself righteous (justified). This narrow understanding of law keeping came from the spiritual morons who could not grasp that it is entirely possible to keep the Mosaic observances without you trying to be justified by them. Paul defends the person who observes for the Lord and with thankfulness:
"6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God." (Romand 14:6 NASB)
And I'm not calling Paul that. I'm calling the Catholic Church leadership spiritual morons who thought that any and all law keeping could be nothing else but you trying to justify yourself. Their stunted, unspiritual minds could not grasp that Paul was not saying you could not keep the law. He was saying that you can not keep the law in order to be justified. THAT is what is forbidden.
There is nothing wrong whatsoever in keeping the law of Moses for any purpose other than trying to be justified. If somebody wants to keep a Mosaic Sabbath, or a particular feast, they can. Just don't do it with the intention of trying to make yourself righteous by it. Nobody on the 'anti law' side seem to be addressing the believers freedom to keep the law if they want to. All they seem to be able to hear is that any and all attempt to keep the law of Moses is you trying to make yourself righteous (justified). This narrow understanding of law keeping came from the spiritual morons who could not grasp that it is entirely possible to keep the Mosaic observances without you trying to be justified by them. Paul defends the person who observes for the Lord and with thankfulness:
"6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God." (Romand 14:6 NASB)
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Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
I am puzzled by all the folks on CC that try and make the claim that the Pharisees were trying to be obedient to God to get to heaven. That they were somehow rejected because they strived to obey God instead of having Faith.
Yet, they can not give one example of a person of faith who didn't humble themselves before God's Commandments. And they can not give one example of the Pharisees actually striving to obey God.
I would greatly appreciate any scripture you could provide to support your claim that the Pharisees were trying to obey God. And, it would be great if someone could show me an example in the Bible of Faith that doesn't include obedience to God.
A Pharisees is not an example of a man trying to please God by obeying Him. Jesus clearly exposed the Pharisees as "Transgressors of God's Commandments by their own doctrines and traditions." They didn't teach to obey God, rather Jesus said they "taught for doctrines the commandments of men".
I think what causes the "Heart" connection is humble submission to God and His Righteousness.
If the Pharisees had truly Loved God with all their heart, they wouldn't have created their own path, traditions and doctrines, they would have done like other examples of Faith, actually ALL other examples of Faith, and humbled themselves to Him and His instructions.
In contrast we have another Jew, also a priest, who did have a connection with God.
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Quite a contrast between someone who honors God with obedience and one who honors God with their lips.
How can we seek God and ignore His instructions. David didn't. Abraham didn't.
The idea that the Pharisees somehow proved that obeying God didn't work is just not true my friend.
Rom. 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
I very much appreciate your reply and opinion. I certainly don't want to be a Pharisee.
But if you think about, they were rejected by Jesus because they Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own man made church doctrines and traditions.
Do you believe Jesus changed His Judgment?
I am puzzled by all the folks on CC that try and make the claim that the Pharisees were trying to be obedient to God to get to heaven. That they were somehow rejected because they strived to obey God instead of having Faith.
Yet, they can not give one example of a person of faith who didn't humble themselves before God's Commandments. And they can not give one example of the Pharisees actually striving to obey God.
I would greatly appreciate any scripture you could provide to support your claim that the Pharisees were trying to obey God. And, it would be great if someone could show me an example in the Bible of Faith that doesn't include obedience to God.
A Pharisees is not an example of a man trying to please God by obeying Him. Jesus clearly exposed the Pharisees as "Transgressors of God's Commandments by their own doctrines and traditions." They didn't teach to obey God, rather Jesus said they "taught for doctrines the commandments of men".
I think what causes the "Heart" connection is humble submission to God and His Righteousness.
If the Pharisees had truly Loved God with all their heart, they wouldn't have created their own path, traditions and doctrines, they would have done like other examples of Faith, actually ALL other examples of Faith, and humbled themselves to Him and His instructions.
In contrast we have another Jew, also a priest, who did have a connection with God.
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Quite a contrast between someone who honors God with obedience and one who honors God with their lips.
How can we seek God and ignore His instructions. David didn't. Abraham didn't.
The idea that the Pharisees somehow proved that obeying God didn't work is just not true my friend.
Rom. 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
I very much appreciate your reply and opinion. I certainly don't want to be a Pharisee.
But if you think about, they were rejected by Jesus because they Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own man made church doctrines and traditions.
Do you believe Jesus changed His Judgment?