Sabbath

[loveme1]

I don't understand your question, "was the strive against one of the 10 Commandments?"


Yes, Jesus taught us "For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law"

You shared the wife grabbing a man fighting with her husband law... was that one of the 10 Commandments?

 

[Dan_473]

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DAN:
It's an interesting situation, really. Most Christians probably feel that God has shown them the real truth.
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all 'Christians' have been shown bits and pieces of Yeshua's Truth, along and along in their journeys...
this is their 'stair-way' to heaven, ever giving over their whole hearts to their Saviour, in all Trust
and humility in their thankfulness for truly being called to believe in HIM, being able to acknowledge,
accept, appreciate His Holy, Loving, Sacrifice, only asking that we LOVE and OBEY Him...surreal really!!!

yes! so maybe the way to proceed is for each of us to share the bits and pieces that God has shown us?

 

[loveme1]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JaumeJ again!

He is humble yet full of so much knowledge.. GOD be thanked.

 

[Dan_473]

Well to me the name YHWH is a side issue as God has many names in the scriptures. For me I use Lord, Jesus and my Heavenly farther. If you would like to use YHWHYAHWEH / JEHOVAH does it matter? To me personally it is where the heart is not what name you wish to call God as he has many names and he knows when you are trying to talk to him and seek him.

EL, ELOAH [el, el-oh-ah]: God "mighty, strong, prominent" (Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 139:19) – etymologically, El appears to mean “power” and “might” (Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity (Numbers 23:19), jealousy (Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion (Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of “might” remains.

ELOHIM [el-oh-heem]: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong” (Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) – the plural form of Eloah, which accommodates the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible’s first sentence, the superlative nature of God’s power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence (Genesis 1:1).

EL SHADDAI [el-shah-dahy]: “God Almighty,” “The Mighty One of Jacob” (Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) – speaks to God’s ultimate power over all.

ADONAI [ˌædɒˈnaɪ; ah-daw-nahy]: “Lord” (Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) – used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God’s dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles.

YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) – strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, “Lord.” The revelation of the name is first given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3).

YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) – the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.

YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) – “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.

YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) – God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.

YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) – the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.

YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) – a combination of God’s unique name YHWH and the generic “Lord,” signifying that He is the Lord of Lords.

YAHWEH-TSIDKENU [yah-way-tzid-kay-noo]: "The Lord Our Righteousness” (Jeremiah 33:16) – As with YHWH-M’Kaddesh, it is God alone who provides righteousness (from the Hebrew word tsidkenu) to man, ultimately in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ, who became sin for us “that we might become the Righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

YAHWEH-ROHI [yah-way-roh-hee]: "The Lord Our Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1) – After David pondered his relationship as a shepherd to his sheep, he realized that was exactly the relationship God had with him, and so he declares, “Yahweh-Rohi is my Shepherd. I shall not want” (Psalm 23:1).

YAHWEH-SHAMMAH [yah-way-sham-mahw]: "The Lord Is There” (Ezekiel 48:35) – the name ascribed to Jerusalem and the Temple there, indicating that the once-departed glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 8—11) had returned (Ezekiel 44:1-4).

YAHWEH-SABAOTH [yah-way-sah-bah-ohth]: "The Lord of Hosts" (Isaiah 1:24; Psalm 46:7) – Hosts means “hordes,” both of angels and of men. He is Lord of the host of heaven and of the inhabitants of the earth, of Jews and Gentiles, of rich and poor, master and slave. The name is expressive of the majesty, power, and authority of God and shows that He is able to accomplish what He determines to do.

EL ELYON [el-el-yohn]: “Most High" (Deuteronomy 26:19) – derived from the Hebrew root for “go up” or “ascend,” so the implication is of that which is the very highest. El Elyon denotes exaltation and speaks of absolute right to lordship.

EL ROI [el-roh-ee]: "God of Seeing" (Genesis 16:13) – the name ascribed to God by Hagar, alone and desperate in the wilderness after being driven out by Sarah (Genesis 16:1-14). When Hagar met the Angel of the Lord, she realized she had seen God Himself in a theophany. She also realized that El Roi saw her in her distress and testified that He is a God who lives and sees all.

EL-OLAM [el-oh-lahm]: "Everlasting God" (Psalm 90:1-3) – God’s nature is without beginning or end, free from all constraints of time, and He contains within Himself the very cause of time itself. “From everlasting to everlasting, You are God.”

EL-GIBHOR [el-ghee-bohr]: “Mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) – the name describing the Messiah, Christ Jesus, in this prophetic portion of Isaiah. As a powerful and mighty warrior, the Messiah, the Mighty God, will accomplish the destruction of God’s enemies and rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15). (see here for more info)

Can I suggest that for discussion purposes that we stay with convention? This OP is about the Sabbath so I believe this should be discussed here and possibly sub topics in relation to God's Law (10 commandments) of which the Sabbath is one of the 10. Other topics can be discussed but these are best started in other threads and discussed there.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

yes, there are many names for God!

are all equally good for every translation situation?

for example, in the Romans 9:6, "But it is not as though the word of YAHWEH-SABAOTH has come to nothing."?

in other words, do certain names for God fit better in certain situations, based on the words used in the original language?


the issue came up for me because if we are allowed to "tweak" the scritpures to suit our currently-held ideas, that would greatly impact how we talk about things like the Sabbath.



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I believe this was my last post directly about the Sabbath

the Sabbath is a delight!

and all the laws are a delight!

both

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, and

When men strive against each other, and the wife of one draws near to deliver her husband out of the hand of him who strikes him, and puts out her hand, and takes him by his private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Your eye shall have no pity.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes.....whatever is given us by our Father in Jesus Christ is definitely to be shared as we are given to share. Gifts of the Holy Spirit, from healing to prophesy. Keep in mind, prophesy is not simply predicting events in God's will, it is praise, glorifying and teaching of and from God. The Holy Spirit moves us all. Some work simply by waitiing for the Lord.

Do not fall into that dangerous way of 'insisting all others are juist as yosu sin the Way, and do not categorize all others or cubbyhole them, for only God directs family mambers in Jesuis Christ, not we.

sounds great!

one thing that God has shown me it's not a good idea to use "YHWH" when translating the new testament into english.

doing so obscures the truth that YHWH is used almost 7,000 times in the old testament, and zero in the new.

 

[Dan_473]

You shared the wife grabbing a man fighting with her husband law... was that one of the 10 Commandments?

no, it's not one of the 10.

 

[loveme1]

no, it's not one of the 10.

We have the New Covenant where GOD's Law is wrote on our new heart and put in our mind through Faith.

Now we here believe that the Messiah teaches us to Keep even the least Commandment of GOD but not in the letter but through the Spirit.. what was in stone condemned us but by GOD's Grace through Faith we are alive to love GOD because He loved us First in such a way that one can not ever repay but they certainly can be grateful and Love GOD how he desires through Christ within... for if we were dead in our trespasses, through Christ we are alive to live as Children of GOD while we abide. Set apart because the Messiah overcame and gives us Victory to be forgiven and Reconciled to our Creator.

There is no boast or judging.. for we each should do all things toward GOD and for GOD with a clear conscience.

Now the Royal law is of Love for GOD and each other.. for Love fulfils the Law.. if you have not Faith that worketh by love then you will see burden and not delight....

We walk in the Spirit following the Good Shepherd on the path of Righteousness... this is what we are at liberty to do.. so the saints will Keep the Commandments and have the Faith of Jesus.

and every misused verse against this proves your inwards... and reveals unbelief...

 

[LoveGodForever]

We have the New Covenant where GOD's Law is wrote on our new heart and put in our mind through Faith.

Now we here believe that the Messiah teaches us to Keep even the least Commandment of GOD but not in the letter but through the Spirit.. what was in stone condemned us but by GOD's Grace through Faith we are alive to love GOD because He loved us First in such a way that one can not ever repay but they certainly can be grateful and Love GOD how he desires through Christ within... for if we were dead in our trespasses, through Christ we are alive to live as Children of GOD while we abide. Set apart because the Messiah overcame and gives us Victory to be forgiven and Reconciled to our Creator.

There is no boast or judging.. for we each should do all things toward GOD and for GOD with a clear conscience.

Now the Royal law is of Love for GOD and each other.. for Love fulfils the Law.. if you have not Faith that worketh by love then you will see burden and not delight....

We walk in the Spirit following the Good Shepherd on the path of Righteousness... this is what we are at liberty to do.. so the saints will Keep the Commandments and have the Faith of Jesus.

and every misused verse against this proves your inwards... and reveals unbelief...

Praise God for his Word that is living within us that we should be called the sons and daughters of God. His Words are life to those that have ears to hear and eyes to see.... It is His Word that is the power of creation within to love without. Love is the fulfilling of His Law because we walk by faith on water when Jesus bids us come.... Speak the Word only... Faith is the victory that overcomes the world and the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes and the Spirit says come...

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Dan_473]

We have the New Covenant where GOD's Law is wrote on our new heart and put in our mind through Faith.

Now we here believe that the Messiah teaches us to Keep even the least Commandment of GOD but not in the letter but through the Spirit.. what was in stone condemned us but by GOD's Grace through Faith we are alive to love GOD because He loved us First in such a way that one can not ever repay but they certainly can be grateful and Love GOD how he desires through Christ within... for if we were dead in our trespasses, through Christ we are alive to live as Children of GOD while we abide. Set apart because the Messiah overcame and gives us Victory to be forgiven and Reconciled to our Creator.

There is no boast or judging.. for we each should do all things toward GOD and for GOD with a clear conscience.

Now the Royal law is of Love for GOD and each other.. for Love fulfils the Law.. if you have not Faith that worketh by love then you will see burden and not delight....

We walk in the Spirit following the Good Shepherd on the path of Righteousness... this is what we are at liberty to do.. so the saints will Keep the Commandments and have the Faith of Jesus.

and every misused verse against this proves your inwards... and reveals unbelief...

right! we keep all the laws not in the letter but through the Spirit. And all the laws are a delight!

 

[JohnTalmid]

How shall we proceed, then? Shall we each say what our special understanding from the Father is, and leave it at that?

Judges 17:6, 21:25 (Deu 12:8 says)
8 "Do not do as we are doing here today
-each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.
9 "Because you have not yet entered the rest and the inheritance which YHWH your Elohim is giving you.

So the Word of our Master says not to follow the way of the world but follow Him the Word of Elohim. We know Him as Master, Messiah, Yahshua, and He has said , "Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and you shall find rest unto your souls.

For My yoke is easy, and My burden is Light."

So logically, (ironically) Messiah is the Torah if you,

Paul and Silas preached
Continue believing on Y'shua Messiah and your whole house will be saved...

So continue believing on Messiah for salvation but don't reject his rest either, for
Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

The Word equivalent literally is Sabbath. It is a seal, a sign, a gift, and much more is promised. When we all are under the same word, and view each man as more important than himself, we see the instructions of YHWH as they are. Have confidence that the Helper will Help you if you want him to.
Bless The Father in Messiah Yahshua grow through obedience and that means small steps at first? What do y'all think?

 

[Dan_473]

Judges 17:6, 21:25 (Deu 12:8 says)
8 "Do not do as we are doing here today
-each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.
9 "Because you have not yet entered the rest and the inheritance which YHWH your Elohim is giving you.

So the Word of our Master says not to follow the way of the world but follow Him the Word of Elohim. We know Him as Master, Messiah, Yahshua, and He has said , "Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and you shall find rest unto your souls.

For My yoke is easy, and My burden is Light."

So logically, (ironically) Messiah is the Torah if you,

Paul and Silas preached
Continue believing on Y'shua Messiah and your whole house will be saved...

So continue believing on Messiah for salvation but don't reject his rest either, for
Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

The Word equivalent literally is Sabbath. It is a seal, a sign, a gift, and much more is promised. When we all are under the same word, and view each man as more important than himself, we see the instructions of YHWH as they are. Have confidence that the Helper will Help you if you want him to.
Bless The Father in Messiah Yahshua grow through obedience and that means small steps at first? What do y'all think?

yes, we all are under the same word. The idea had been presented above that we all we need to know of the Word is the Word as understood by the Holy Spirit. So-called Biblical scholars are not the Holy Spirit nor are they prophecied to come to enlighten anyone.

and that all who believe Jesus christ have a "special" uinderstanding from the Father.


so I was wondering how that would work on a Bible discussion forum, how would we proceed?

 

[loveme1]

yes, we all are under the same word. The idea had been presented above that we all we need to know of the Word is the Word as understood by the Holy Spirit. So-called Biblical scholars are not the Holy Spirit nor are they prophecied to come to enlighten anyone.

and that all who believe Jesus christ have a "special" uinderstanding from the Father.


so I was wondering how that would work on a Bible discussion forum, how would we proceed?

Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?

 

[JohnTalmid]

yes, we all are under the same word. The idea had been presented above that we all we need to know of the Word is the Word as understood by the Holy Spirit. So-called Biblical scholars are not the Holy Spirit nor are they prophecied to come to enlighten anyone.

and that all who believe Jesus christ have a "special" uinderstanding from the Father.


so I was wondering how that would work on a Bible discussion forum, how would we proceed?

Interesting thought...
First remember that yoke? First live it by doing, applying, practicing, and learning and teaching in its season.

Now for example is a time of Holiness and repentance and reflecting on the promise of the Covenant/Word of YHWH. Maybe speak on why Holiness is important, and impossible without your head who is Messiah. But don't stop their, also put on the Breast Plate of Righteousness which is allowing His Instruction to be inscribed on your Heart, ( this is Torah).
This is how you know if the spirit is for The Messiah of YHWH, the Elohim of Abraham. Your Faith will confirm the Torah, Instruction, and aka law. The anti christ sets himself up against the law of Elohim and uses many devices to snare live's. (we don't want to condemn him who does not obey, we want to see where we where in their situations and Love them as Messiah Loves us.

Shalom in Yahshua Messiah, John Talmid

 

[Dan_473]

Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?

yes, I have received the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dan_473]

Interesting thought...
First remember that yoke? First live it by doing, applying, practicing, and learning and teaching in its season.

Now for example is a time of Holiness and repentance and reflecting on the promise of the Covenant/Word of YHWH. Maybe speak on why Holiness is important, and impossible without your head who is Messiah. But don't stop their, also put on the Breast Plate of Righteousness which is allowing His Instruction to be inscribed on your Heart, ( this is Torah).
This is how you know if the spirit is for The Messiah of YHWH, the Elohim of Abraham. Your Faith will confirm the Torah, Instruction, and aka law. The anti christ sets himself up against the law of Elohim and uses many devices to snare live's. (we don't want to condemn him who does not obey, we want to see where we where in their situations and Love them as Messiah Loves us.

Shalom in Yahshua Messiah, John Talmid

yes, yes, and yes!



and, how does this play out in a Bible discussion forum such as this thread?

do we search the scriptures with each other, and consider different translations and what scholars have to say about things like the meaning of words?

or, do we each just share what the Spirit has told us is the truth about a matter, and what a particular scripture passage means?

 

[loveme1]

yes, I have received the Holy Spirit.

Then you have testified and I look forward to hearing what you share.

 

[Dan_473]

Then you have testified and I look forward to hearing what you share.

thanks! here's one of the things I had shared

sounds great!

one thing that God has shown me it's not a good idea to use "YHWH" when translating the new testament into english.

doing so obscures the truth that YHWH is used almost 7,000 times in the old testament, and zero in the new.

 

[loveme1]

thanks! here's one of the things I had shared

7000 times wow....

You don't like to use YHWH?

Here is something for you that I marvelled at many moons ago.. Joshua of Nun is called Jesus in the New Testament Hebrews 4:8..

Obviously names have changed with language but GOD is found with a willing heart.. like nothing stops Him when we believe with our hearts.

You see we should state to those around us that we Love and Worship the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is also known as Israel... for this is the Almighty GOD who sent His Son to forgive and Reconcile us through Faith by His Grace..

So we should not try to limit everyone by what we know for they may know better..

If we each do all things with a clear conscience then we offend not GOD for He is above all things and knows our thoughts and intent better than anyone ever will...

 

[Dan_473]

7000 times wow....

You don't like to use YHWH?

Here is something for you that I marvelled at many moons ago.. Joshua of Nun is called Jesus in the New Testament Hebrews 4:8..

Obviously names have changed with language but GOD is found with a willing heart.. like nothing stops Him when we believe with our hearts.

You see we should state to those around us that we Love and Worship the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is also known as Israel... for this is the Almighty GOD who sent His Son to forgive and Reconcile us through Faith by His Grace..

So we should not try to limit everyone by what we know for they may know better..

If we each do all things with a clear conscience then we offend not GOD for He is above all things and knows our thoughts and intent better than anyone ever will...

it's not that I don't like YHWH. It's fine to use it when translating the old testament into english.

it seems to me that there's in important truth in YHWH being used almost 7,000 times in the old testament, and zero in the new.

the apostles never used it when writing about God. do we know better than they?


anyways, it's all related to translating the word of God. gotta translate it before we can live in it, I think.

 

[loveme1]

it's not that I don't like YHWH. It's fine to use it when translating the old testament into english.

it seems to me that there's in important truth in YHWH being used almost 7,000 times in the old testament, and zero in the new.

the apostles never used it when writing about God. do we know better than they?


anyways, it's all related to translating the word of God. gotta translate it before we can live in it, I think.

If we read the OLD we learn how they tried to hide GOD's name from us.. some say we should not pronounce it but GOD said not to use His name in vain..

And rightly so... but that is very different from not using....

Psalm 68:4.. spells JAH....

my my preference is YAHVAH and YAHSHUA.. yet the educated can correct me but I worry not like I said in my post.. we could argue until Kingdom come and yet it is written:

Revelation 3


12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


So let us be Faithful and not worry too much.. for all things will be New..