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The real fear being preached here is the condemnation and conviction of sin people are feeling
is too hard to bare, and the words saying resolve these issues must be blanked out.
My friends, conviction of sin and the desire to resolve issues is from God and the Holy Spirit.
To resist such things is rebellion and rejecting Christ and His message.
So great is the burden you are carrying, "Sov" wants to distract and avoid resolution, because
he feels only defeat and anguish down that road.
And if Christ and the cross was not there I would agree with Him, but I know Christ and the cross
and its healing, restoring effect on my soul and spirit. Lay your burdens down at the foot of the
cross and accept His forgiveness. You will then know the meaning of rising in praise and worship
empowered to serve others and do good works to demonstrate the glory of this gospel of grace.
Halleluyah, God is good.
is too hard to bare, and the words saying resolve these issues must be blanked out.
My friends, conviction of sin and the desire to resolve issues is from God and the Holy Spirit.
To resist such things is rebellion and rejecting Christ and His message.
So great is the burden you are carrying, "Sov" wants to distract and avoid resolution, because
he feels only defeat and anguish down that road.
And if Christ and the cross was not there I would agree with Him, but I know Christ and the cross
and its healing, restoring effect on my soul and spirit. Lay your burdens down at the foot of the
cross and accept His forgiveness. You will then know the meaning of rising in praise and worship
empowered to serve others and do good works to demonstrate the glory of this gospel of grace.
Halleluyah, God is good.
This is certainly one perspective.
Another is Gods perspective. He declares the washed clean are clean and their righteousness
becomes eternal, as long as they stay faithful to Him.
But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
Ezek 18:21-22
So the principle is repent, turn away from all the sins commited, and walks in obedience,
they are saved.
Now one is defiled by sinful behaviour, but if one repents you are made clean again.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
So confession of our sins in Christ, purifies us from all unrighteousness.
It appears you do not believe we stand clean through repentance and confession.
Ofcourse it is up to you what you believe, but scripture is clear.
The reason for the temple and sacrifices was to show though this is a learning experience
through many ups and downs God provides a way of resolution and restitution if one takes it
with a good heart.
The heresy is to say this is all a farce, so give up. It is the way of the world and lawlessness,
but it needs to be said, because it is the obvious position to take, especially if in ones heart
there are mountains that feel impossible to move or resolve.
Make no mistake, there are many mountains in all our lives, but we can and do change, given
the right ingredients, the Holy Spirit, love and the gospel being the best.
Now many before us have walked this road to resolution and meeting Christ, so can we.
Another is Gods perspective. He declares the washed clean are clean and their righteousness
becomes eternal, as long as they stay faithful to Him.
But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
Ezek 18:21-22
So the principle is repent, turn away from all the sins commited, and walks in obedience,
they are saved.
Now one is defiled by sinful behaviour, but if one repents you are made clean again.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
So confession of our sins in Christ, purifies us from all unrighteousness.
It appears you do not believe we stand clean through repentance and confession.
Ofcourse it is up to you what you believe, but scripture is clear.
The reason for the temple and sacrifices was to show though this is a learning experience
through many ups and downs God provides a way of resolution and restitution if one takes it
with a good heart.
The heresy is to say this is all a farce, so give up. It is the way of the world and lawlessness,
but it needs to be said, because it is the obvious position to take, especially if in ones heart
there are mountains that feel impossible to move or resolve.
Make no mistake, there are many mountains in all our lives, but we can and do change, given
the right ingredients, the Holy Spirit, love and the gospel being the best.
Now many before us have walked this road to resolution and meeting Christ, so can we.
There is good news GOD sent His Son that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
By Grace Through Faith we are born again of an incorruptible seed that is subject to GOD's Law. We make the Messiah's Testimony our foundation and walk in the light. Loving and provoking each other to good works as we see the day approaching.
So until the last Trump where the mortal puts on the immortal we walk by the power and Grace of GOD.
By Christs blood our conscience is purged from dead works to serve the living GOD in Spirit and Truth.
no, it is not " perspective " it is reality. no one is sinless, according to the Biblical definition of sin.
let me explain it like this- you are supposed to be at a certain place at 10:am. you do not arrive until 10: 15. well, you are late. you missed the mark, you fell short of a standard, you knew what to do, but failed to do so.
it could be 100% not your fault. that does not matter. you missed it. no feelings and emotions needed. in theory, if being late was s sin, then no matter the reason, you sinned by being late.
let me explain it like this- you are supposed to be at a certain place at 10:am. you do not arrive until 10: 15. well, you are late. you missed the mark, you fell short of a standard, you knew what to do, but failed to do so.
it could be 100% not your fault. that does not matter. you missed it. no feelings and emotions needed. in theory, if being late was s sin, then no matter the reason, you sinned by being late.
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Peter is saying paul is telling us to work to earn our salvation.
Paul is telling us to work out the result of our salvation.
The context is sharing Christ to others, and being a light to the world. If we do things which discredit our character, we put our light out, Because the world can use our actions against us. Paul is saying act in such a way where no one can bring a charge against you, i.e., Work out (the greek word is used in mining operations, where you work out, or mine the minerals in the ground, so they can be used.)
I.e., Paul is saying """"""""work out YOUR salvation" (it is in your posession), Not work to earn your salvation (it is not yours yet) which is what Peter is claiming it says,
so the answer to your question would be YES.
Paul is telling us to work out the result of our salvation.
The context is sharing Christ to others, and being a light to the world. If we do things which discredit our character, we put our light out, Because the world can use our actions against us. Paul is saying act in such a way where no one can bring a charge against you, i.e., Work out (the greek word is used in mining operations, where you work out, or mine the minerals in the ground, so they can be used.)
I.e., Paul is saying """"""""work out YOUR salvation" (it is in your posession), Not work to earn your salvation (it is not yours yet) which is what Peter is claiming it says,
so the answer to your question would be YES.
For a moment I thought you spoke of Peter the Apostle.
So we are to do good as in shine the light given or it will go out? So they are to work out their own Salvation by doing good? What are they to continue to obey?
If your light goes out you still have Salvation but can not shine the Light on others without being good? Is that what you mean correct me if I'm wrong.
Here we have a problem. I am not saying you earn your salvation. That is your interpretation
of my position.
A racing car driver races cars.
A carpenter creates things out of wood.
A christian follows Christ.
If you do not do what you are, you are not what you claim to be.
This is an easy concept to accept, yet in the area of faith, it is claimed you can
be a believer and not follow Christ.
I do not understand why people say this, except they find it impossible to follow Christ
but still have faith, so their compromise is believe and fail to follow is ok.
It cannot be otherwise, or else why are they so determined to argue otherwise.
If sin is so difficult to not do, why does Paul and everyone talk about rebuking believers
who are caught in sin, if not the implication this is meant to be rare and not expected.
How else do you explain this language?
Jesus did not set us free from sin, so that we might get entangled in it again.
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
2 Peter 2:20
Who are these people who are causing so many problems
They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”
2 Peter 2:19
The heresy is subtle, using the weakness of sinners in discipleship to claim the walk
of self denial is futile and works salvation, is certainly appealing to those who want
a quick exit, and to give up resolving all issues in Christ.
But again, the theme is long term believers who have had bad experiences in the faith,
and come to this resolution. I fully understand why, I just do not agree this is spiritual
reality. But the Lord provides all resolution, and calls His people to honour everyone
and listen to Him.
of my position.
A racing car driver races cars.
A carpenter creates things out of wood.
A christian follows Christ.
If you do not do what you are, you are not what you claim to be.
This is an easy concept to accept, yet in the area of faith, it is claimed you can
be a believer and not follow Christ.
I do not understand why people say this, except they find it impossible to follow Christ
but still have faith, so their compromise is believe and fail to follow is ok.
It cannot be otherwise, or else why are they so determined to argue otherwise.
If sin is so difficult to not do, why does Paul and everyone talk about rebuking believers
who are caught in sin, if not the implication this is meant to be rare and not expected.
How else do you explain this language?
Jesus did not set us free from sin, so that we might get entangled in it again.
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
2 Peter 2:20
Who are these people who are causing so many problems
They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”
2 Peter 2:19
The heresy is subtle, using the weakness of sinners in discipleship to claim the walk
of self denial is futile and works salvation, is certainly appealing to those who want
a quick exit, and to give up resolving all issues in Christ.
But again, the theme is long term believers who have had bad experiences in the faith,
and come to this resolution. I fully understand why, I just do not agree this is spiritual
reality. But the Lord provides all resolution, and calls His people to honour everyone
and listen to Him.
