Not By Works
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Hi seasrekeyed.
With regards to your quote about twisting I think and see it from opposing sides and not just one side.
I suppose it happens because we all have our own interpretation of what we believe scripture is saying.
Not sure I would call it twisting as such but trying to explain our position.
I must admit that I do hate "they, those, others" being banded about.
There are people on here who I disagree with but I still consider them a brother/sister in Christ and I would hope it's reversed.
To me it's ok to disagree and to do so as brothers and sisters in Christ and not as enemies.
At the end of the day we will all stand before Jesus and he alone will judge every aspect of our life and works.
Those who have placed genuine faith in Jesus will have their works judged.
The dross is burned but they are still saved.
The works that we do I think are based on our understing of scripture and this wall direct our walk with Jesus and others.
If they are dross as said they are burnt but we are still saved.
With regards to your quote about twisting I think and see it from opposing sides and not just one side.
I suppose it happens because we all have our own interpretation of what we believe scripture is saying.
Not sure I would call it twisting as such but trying to explain our position.
I must admit that I do hate "they, those, others" being banded about.
There are people on here who I disagree with but I still consider them a brother/sister in Christ and I would hope it's reversed.
To me it's ok to disagree and to do so as brothers and sisters in Christ and not as enemies.
At the end of the day we will all stand before Jesus and he alone will judge every aspect of our life and works.
Those who have placed genuine faith in Jesus will have their works judged.
The dross is burned but they are still saved.
The works that we do I think are based on our understing of scripture and this wall direct our walk with Jesus and others.
If they are dross as said they are burnt but we are still saved.
We should be trusting in Jesus for our righteousness, not the gospel, wouldn't you agree. I believe you love Jesus and have faith to save, so if you want to add works, trusting the gospel, as a credit to your righteousness go right a head if it makes you feel good. Like Jonah said in his prayer to God, Jonah ch.2, "Salvation is of the Lord" what role did Jonah play when God saved his soul, none, zero, it was all of God. You should stop making things so difficult for everyone, God has made being born again easy enough for a child to understand not difficult, Saved by grace.......
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see, I'm not even worried about the 'works' part of the equation because the works are really simple displays of our faith
like what? just being kind to another person...giving of time and whatever God lays on your heart to give with regards to 'things' including money, feeding the poor etc...really just what is mentioned in scripture. a changed heart should display these things. I have never said you are not saved if you do not display these things...it is the other side of this debate actually that will go on and on about it as though someone has said works save...I have to say again, I have not seen that in this thread (albeit I have not read every post for the obvious reasons LOL!) but I do believe some will say you have to work but scripture does not say that.
what it does say though, is that faith produces works which is why we seem to have two opposing things going on when really we do not.
again, with your comment re works and understanding...I think scripture is plain it all begins with the simple things anyone can do and it's not difficult and I have never said it adds to salvation or keeps salvation yet I keep reading posts that state someone, including myself, has said this
I concur with your post in the 'spirit' in which you posted
however, I have read posts wherein someone will state another is not saved because of a difference of understanding and I have never said this but yet those who do, really need to own up to it and stop it along with the arrogance as though someone they disagree with is stupid or contemptable
I disagree about the twisting. there are a few who seem to go out of their way to turn what someone said, into something else
and they cause most of the fights. however it seems more are using the 'ignore' option in an effort to keep the peace
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If God is the only one to make us christians, you are putting an awful lot of effort in to
persuade us of this, because surely that means choice and human will in involved.
If not you would not even be arguing the point. Which by its nature shows you are wrong.
God brings to us new life, but we must choose to follow and walk in it.
The rich young ruler was keen to follow God with the security of money, but when that fell
away, not a chance.
And if God alone brings us into the Kingdom, those here who are not in the kingdom cannot
be brought in, their fate is sealed. It is actually pointless sharing, because only the chosen
will hear and understand.
But God gives us a choice and encourages, empowers and fills us through the experience.
That is the power of God at work in man, Amen.
persuade us of this, because surely that means choice and human will in involved.
If not you would not even be arguing the point. Which by its nature shows you are wrong.
God brings to us new life, but we must choose to follow and walk in it.
The rich young ruler was keen to follow God with the security of money, but when that fell
away, not a chance.
And if God alone brings us into the Kingdom, those here who are not in the kingdom cannot
be brought in, their fate is sealed. It is actually pointless sharing, because only the chosen
will hear and understand.
But God gives us a choice and encourages, empowers and fills us through the experience.
That is the power of God at work in man, Amen.
Lol. How can I be establishing my own righteousness, when I am washed clean and made
perfect in the blood of the lamb. I do not have to establish it, God has given it to me.
I am counted righteous by my faith and walk with Him.
Please show me where scripture says I am wrong. I know I am not because it is this idea
that they preach. But you cannot accept you are pure and Holy, clean, washed by the Lord.
You think that works, Jesus's works have to justify you. But works never have been our justification,
it is being in the Kingdom that justifies us, bought with a price. Our worship to God is our works, the
display of what God has made us. In part I am a mystic, but not like the gnostics who split people,
but as a work in progress, a redemption of the carnal self into a child of God through walking with the
Lord.
perfect in the blood of the lamb. I do not have to establish it, God has given it to me.
I am counted righteous by my faith and walk with Him.
Please show me where scripture says I am wrong. I know I am not because it is this idea
that they preach. But you cannot accept you are pure and Holy, clean, washed by the Lord.
You think that works, Jesus's works have to justify you. But works never have been our justification,
it is being in the Kingdom that justifies us, bought with a price. Our worship to God is our works, the
display of what God has made us. In part I am a mystic, but not like the gnostics who split people,
but as a work in progress, a redemption of the carnal self into a child of God through walking with the
Lord.