Not By Works

[PHart]

...and one last song, as a warning just in case you stop believin' and end up in hell by your failure to assist God in saving you:

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[video=youtube;1k8craCGpgs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs[/video]​

You can't post my video without also posting the passages of the Bible that go along with it, lol:

"(Y)ou are saved, if you hold fast the word" (1 Corinthians 15:2 NASB).

"23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful" (Hebrews 10:23 NASB)

"24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning." (1 John 2:24 NASB)

"6but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house—whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end." (Hebrews 3:6 NASB)

14For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end...

"He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— 23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard" (Colossians 2:22-23 NASB)

"9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide (continue) in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides (continues) in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son." (2 John 1:9 NASB)


So many Biblical exhortations to continue to believe to remain in Christ and be saved and yet so many people in the church who think it's wrong to believe that you have to continue to believe to remain saved in Christ.

 

[PHart]

continuing to believe is not Paul's gospel. Paul's gospel said that we are born again by Gods mercy, not by our
continuing to believe.

Belief is how you access the mercy of God in salvation (Romans 5:2). No faith, no access to the power of God to keep you for the coming Day of Salvation (1 Peter 1:5).

And if sin matters, we are all doomed, Because the grace of God is meaningless. We have to earn our right to heaven.

No, you have the forgiveness of God through your faith in Christ to deal with the 'sin that matters'.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But they themselves have no root, and they remain for only a season. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

Amen, they stop believing because they had no saving faith to begin with.

People who have real faith do not lose it, Because God is faithful, Saying one can lose faith is the same as saying God is not faithful. And thus we can lose trust in him because he fails us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Belief is how you access the mercy of God in salvation (Romans 5:2). No faith, no access to the power of God to keep you for the coming Day of Salvation (1 Peter 1:5).




No, you have the forgiveness of God through your faith in Christ to deal with the 'sin that matters'.

again, People who have true faith dos not lose it.

The ONLY way people lose faith is if the person they are trusting prove to be unfaithful.

I would suggest you try to find how faithful God really is, and stop trusting in your ability to try to stay faithful

 

[preacher4truth]

Belief is how you access the mercy of God in salvation (Romans 5:2).

Faith is evidence of conversion, not the cause. Since you do not understand this, your foundation is faulty, and all built on that foundation follows suit.

Much of your error stems from your faulty ideal of faith, which explains your man-centric false gospel.

 

[PeterJens]

Ummmmmm, thanks but no thanks....God did not inspire men to use communion (except once and the comparison is between light and darkness)

He inspired the word SALVATION and SAVED

Maybe that is why you miss the mark so much Peter.....you reject inspired words in favor of substituted non-inspired words.....!

It is an interesting point. Maybe I have got my emphasis wrong.
But let me look at what the charismatic movement is mainly, in terms of expression.
Worship songs. We now spend most of our services singing these songs and define God
being present through an emotional response within worship.

Jesus talked about being one with Him, in thought, mind and deed.
He described His relationship with the Father, that they were one, as He desired we also
might experience this.

Now there is a slight contradiction. How can you have communion with God and not be
saved. Equally, we are not yet saved until we enter the Kingdom on the last day.

So many I know have a problem asking, "Has God done a work in me, do I feel it?"
My answer is bow and praise the King of Kings and see how you heart responds.
For me my heart sang a song that has never stopped.

So DC, I am not sure you know what you are talking about, other than trying to
reject something you should not be rejecting. God bless you, Jesus lives in His
people to bring praise and honour to the King of Kings. Amen

 

[PeterJens]

Praise God and commune with Him in your hearts, for in this is life.
[video=youtube;HcnfT4arZtI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcnfT4arZtI[/video]

 

[1ofthem]

We all have a cross to carry don’t we? Didn’t Jesus say pick up your cross and follow me? Now we don’t carry it alone…We carry it with the help of Jesus and that is the only way that we can truly carry it and be saved is through Jesus.

If we try to do things on our own without Jesus then we fail, but “we can do all things through Jesus Christ who strengthens us”.

God does produce work and fruits in our life through Jesus Christ. So yeah, there are mountains we gotta climb, but this can only be done by faith in Jesus. We can’t do it on our own no matter how hard we try. It is the Lord that keeps us sanctified.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We all have a cross to carry don’t we? Didn’t Jesus say pick up your cross and follow me? Now we don’t carry it alone…We carry it with the help of Jesus and that is the only way that we can truly carry it and be saved is through Jesus.

If we try to do things on our own without Jesus then we fail, but “we can do all things through Jesus Christ who strengthens us”.

God does produce work and fruits in our life through Jesus Christ. So yeah, there are mountains we gotta climb, but this can only be done by faith in Jesus. We can’t do it on our own no matter how hard we try. It is the Lord that keeps us sanctified.

Amen, Yes, We do this because we are saved, Not in order to keep salvation though. that seems to be the issue in here. Why do we do it.

 

[PeterJens]

Faith is evidence of conversion, not the cause. Since you do not understand this, your foundation is faulty, and all built on that foundation follows suit.

Much of your error stems from your faulty ideal of faith, which explains your man-centric false gospel.

I realise you want to accept and reject people.
Does this not worry you? Maybe this has always been about this and not the labels
you want to excuse this behaviour with.

Certainly the strength of your words implies something unjustified.
How do we grow? By letting Gods word work in our hearts and following it.
How do we show our life? By loving the Father, Son and His people and loving the lost even
in their darkness.

Armenian, calvanist, charismatic, evangelical, conservative or liberal, if we love and follow
the rest will sort itself out. Time will always show the truth of the heart, you cannot fake
what one is.

I design computer systems for businesses, and often time looking at issues lays them out
in detail, and you know the solution. But you want to blast away as if this makes a real
difference and is important. But amen to your enthusiasm and dedication, but caring for
your targets seems to be where you have no concerns. This suggests things are just not
set up right.

 

[dcontroversal]

Everyone who thinks what they do has no bearing on their salvation on the Day of Judgment says "sin does not matter".

But sin does matter on that day if a believer stops believing and as a result goes back to the world in willful sinning. That person will be met with the wrath of God along with every other unbeliever on the Day of Judgment, not met with the mercy and grace of Christ.


...and you are under law when you sin. The only reason the believer who is continuing in his faith is not 'under the law' when he sins is because, through his faith, Christ wipes away the guilt of the law. That's why we need to keep believing. Stop believing/trusting in the blood of Christ to forgive your sin and you have nothing to save you from the penalty of your sin (Hebrews 10:26).


You are correct, it is my choice. We all must choose to continue to believe in the blood of Christ so that we don't come under the penalty of the law, which, as you correctly say, does not discriminate in any way shape or form:

"8If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. 9But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. " (James 2:8-9 NASB)
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James says that when we sin we are convicted by the law as transgressors. That's why we need to continue to cling to Christ in faith. So we won't suffer the just and indiscriminate penalty of transgressing the law. Stop believing and you have no sacrifice remaining to save you from the wrath of God for breaking the law (Hebrews 10:26).

So, sin does matter, when that sin is the result of no longer believing in Christ.

You really do miss the mark hey......and have a severe lack of understanding concerning sin, it's payment, how chastisement works, the difference in works as applied unto believers in Corinthians and the eternal state of a man who believes.....and you wonder why most see your dogma as nothing more than works with a lemon twist and vanilla café blend that has no power....and to be honest....it really has become a waste of time to engage you because until you figure out that your sin debt has already been settled and GOD now deals with a believer as a SON you will remain under the cue ball!

 

[dcontroversal]

She lost her faith even before she was baptized...

HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHHHAHAHHAH wow....funny as bro HAHAHAHHAHA I about spit coffee all over FOX NEWS 6 feet away HAHA

 

[garee]

"(Y)ou are saved, if you hold fast the word" (1 Corinthians 15:2 NASB).

I would think first things first. We are saved if we have the Spirit of Christ. If any man has not they do not belong to Him .He by the hearing of His faith is our first love . If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they cannot hold fast to His word which proves he is our faithful Creator not seen.

"23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful" (Hebrews 10:23 NASB)

"24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning." (1 John 2:24 NASB)

Yes if we are to have our first works after the private interpretation of men like that of Nicole or our own-selves we must repent and do the first works of God who works in us to both will and do his good pleasure. It is God who works in us so that we can believe Him . Why leave our first love, the hearing of faith, and give it over to another like Nicole.

I would offer...Let us hear what the Spirit says to the churches not what the churches say as their own private interpretations (commentaries of man) to each other.

We are not to have the faith of Christ inspect to persons of the flesh.But rather hearing Him as his faith works in us so that we can believe Him. It is the work of God that we can believe Him.

I offer as losing our first love hearing Him who turn us would be our cry of repentance our comfort in knowing Him the perfecter of grace

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. ev 2:4

 

[kaylagrl]

She lost her faith even before she was baptized...

​Nah,she lost her grip,or she never had faith in the first place.I can't decide...

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen, they stop believing because they had no saving faith to begin with.

People who have real faith do not lose it, Because God is faithful, Saying one can lose faith is the same as saying God is not faithful. And thus we can lose trust in him because he fails us.

I will say it again....to say one can lose faith and then be lost after being saved the following must be true...

a. Jesus failed
b. The words of Jesus were not accurate
c. The inspired words of Paul were not accurate
d. Jesus is weak

1. JESUS begins and FINISHES our faith
2. JESUS COMPLETES the good work he BEGAN IN US "see a"
3. WE are saved to the UTTERMOST
4. WE are KEPT by the power of GOD
5. WE are SEALED by the H.S unto the day of REDEMPTION
6. HE SAID, "I will NEVER leave thee or FORSAKE THEE"
7. WE are in the Father's hand
8. WE are in the SON'S hand
9. WE are given ETERNAL life not TEMPORARY LIFE based upon what we do or do not do
10. JESUS will LOSE NOTHING he has been given but RAISE IT UP at the last day
ETC.

TO SAY one can lose salvation or fall away and be lost after being saved DISREGARDS ALL points in 1-10 and makes GOD a liar.

FOR the RECORD.......GOD HAS NEVER LIED and WILL keep his word for ALL ETERNITY.............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

So DC, I am not sure

There ya go.........yep........!

 

[garee]

HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHHHAHAHHAH wow....funny as bro HAHAHAHHAHA I about spit coffee all over FOX NEWS 6 feet away HAHA

LOL.....yes her faith like that of Peter left when Peter got his eye in the water and off of Christ who gave Peter His supernatural work of faith enabling for Peter to stay afloat (suspending gravity) Just as the Holy Spirit hoped it would. Peter in his own flesh as his own power being distracted by the storm .... gravity pulled him down. Christ works all things to the good pleasure of the will of His consul .

 

[dcontroversal]

LOL.....yes her faith like that of Peter left when Peter got his eye in the water and off of Christ who gave Peter His supernatural work of faith enabling for Peter to stay afloat (suspending gravity) Just as the Holy Spirit hoped it would. Peter in his own flesh as his own power being distracted by the storm .... gravity pulled him down. Christ works all things to the good pleasure of the will of His consul .

I would use the term waivered instead of left..... Peter took his eyes off the Lord and notice-->HE began to SINK, but did not sink.....cause JESUS took him by the hand and held him up......same is true with use....when we are weak he is strong and in our weakness his strength is made complete.......

A solid truth that many miss.........

 

[PeterJens]

I will say it again....to say one can lose faith and then be lost after being saved the following must be true...

a. Jesus failed
b. The words of Jesus were not accurate
c. The inspired words of Paul were not accurate
d. Jesus is weak

1. JESUS begins and FINISHES our faith
2. JESUS COMPLETES the good work he BEGAN IN US "see a"
3. WE are saved to the UTTERMOST
4. WE are KEPT by the power of GOD
5. WE are SEALED by the H.S unto the day of REDEMPTION
6. HE SAID, "I will NEVER leave thee or FORSAKE THEE"
7. WE are in the Father's hand
8. WE are in the SON'S hand
9. WE are given ETERNAL life not TEMPORARY LIFE based upon what we do or do not do
10. JESUS will LOSE NOTHING he has been given but RAISE IT UP at the last day
ETC.

TO SAY one can lose salvation or fall away and be lost after being saved DISREGARDS ALL points in 1-10 and makes GOD a liar.

FOR the RECORD.......GOD HAS NEVER LIED and WILL keep his word for ALL ETERNITY.............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is a good statement of belief.
Problem is people come to faith and then lose it for whatever reason.
Others have faith but wonder why their hearts are cold, so are they really saved at all.

In a world of strangers, certainty can be a desperate thing to desire to find.

Now those who say once you have faith that is it, they have to explain away how people
can be as close to God as they are, but fail to follow through.

So the escape clause comes in, they were never truly saved.
So here you have it. Believe and you are saved, but if you fall away, you must not have
truly believed. This is attempting to explain what happens against what they believe and
the idea it is all secure like a done deal. If there are no risks or obligations, heck, no guilt or
problems with how you are living now.

It is why I have this strange conversation where such believers where happy to say they
had sinned that day, in this or that area, just like the previous day. Actually sorting it out
was beyond them, because God did not mind. Surely it was not a denial of the cross to
knowingly be in sin, commit sin and then not repent or feel any sorrow about it.

By definition, not feeling sorrow over sin is being a sinner in rebellion. This is not part of
following Christ, resolving situations like this is. There is no compromise over this issue, it
is black and white.

 

[PeterJens]

There ya go.........yep........!

Now that is what I call mocking.
You appear to have no shame, but want conflict.
Let me make certain you understand your approach ......

So DC, I am not sure you know what you are talking about, other than trying to
reject something you should not be rejecting. God bless you, Jesus lives in His
people to bring praise and honour to the King of Kings. Amen

So my friends, engagement has never been their approach, just wind ups,

God bless you dc, because the Lords love is greater than you realise and whatever
you think you are achieving He will always bring His purposes to fruition.