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eternally-gratefull

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stonesoffire said:
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the virgins who did not make it were those who tried to fill their lamps, not those who had their lamps filled. They represent those who are in church, and act like the bride, but are not the bride, same context.

Also, notice what the groom said? I DO NOT KNOW YOU.

again, People who NEVER KNEW CHRiST.

 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It is not the same, I already explained it,

They KNEW of God,

They DiD NOT KNOW GOD.

abraham knew God. They did not. Moses knew God, they did not. Not like Gods children know him.
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The text clearly refutes your bad English translation apologetic bro....

How does a person know about God's judgment and not him<<<<<<Romans 1.32
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
the virgins who did not make it were those who tried to fill their lamps, not those who had their lamps filled. They represent those who are in church, and act like the bride, but are not the bride, same context.

Also, notice what the groom said? I DO NOT KNOW YOU.

again, People who NEVER KNEW CHRiST.

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I always thought that this was Israel. Those who believed, those who didn't. Those who didn't had no oil, not just not enough. Oil represents Holy Spirit.
 
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EG

The fathers had much dealings with the miraculous and the rock( Christ) did follow. They fell into apostasy, and left the God of their fathers, followed man, (knowledge) rather than Spirit.

He came to an apostate nation. Will He return to one? I don't think so. They will call for Him when our time is done.
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Yes, they will know him, thge people in Jesus day did not know him
 
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stonesoffire said:
I see what you are saying. They follow the Kings daughters. Not sure but as I look at it without studying it, I would say those who are Spirit filled.

what do you see Meggido?
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possibly gentile believers......Still studying it out myself...A friend is a Messianic Rabbi in training and she states, that Israel is and always has been the bride....and Gentiles are the virgins, the Brides companions, however, when Paul refers to the chaste/pure Virgin in 2 Cor 11 it causes a wrinkle...so I am still studying it myself...

I was genuinely asking, not being smarty...
 
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stonesoffire said:
I always thought that this was Israel. Those who believed, those who didn't. Those who didn't had no oil, not just not enough. Oil represents Holy Spirit.
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They had no oil, they were not prepared. They did not take the lamps which had oil. But the lamp which did not.

They were not saved because they were not prepared. It probably is about Israel, but it still fits the message, If your not prepared by taking the truth, but instead take the copy, your still lost in unbelief.
 
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Does not the zeal of the Lord consume those who are converted? What you are calling lazy Christians are pew sitters who are comfortable in their seat. Learning yet not experiencing.

I dont think you will find many here this way. Why would we be here? Unless there are those whose only motive would be to disrupt.

Also, Meggido, there may be those here who have had successful ministries yet do not brag about it, nor put their works on display. And you might be surprised to know who they are.
 
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Meggido said:
The text clearly refutes your bad English translation apologetic bro....

How does a person know about God's judgment and not him<<<<<<Romans 1.32
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everyone knows Gods judgment

God said those who live in sin do not know him

and jesus said he will tell a group of people he did not know them

you resolve the problem, I already have.

and take your attitude with you bud, I refuse to talk to sarcastic people.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Does not the zeal of the Lord consume those who are converted? What you are calling lazy Christians are pew sitters who are comfortable in their seat. Learning yet not experiencing.

I dont think you will find many here this way. Why would we be here? Unless there are those whose only motive would be to disrupt.

Also, Meggido, there may be those here who have had successful ministries yet do not brag about it, nor put their works on display. And you might be surprised to know who they are.
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I doubt there are many "lazy christians"

but I would still rather be a lazy christian, then a busy non christian who thinks he or she is a christian.
 
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Meggido said:
possibly gentile believers......Still studying it out myself...A friend is a Messianic Rabbi in training and she states, that Israel is and always has been the bride....and Gentiles are the virgins, the Brides companions, however, when Paul refers to the chaste/pure Virgin in 2 Cor 11 it causes a wrinkle...so I am still studying it myself...

I was genuinely asking, not being smarty...
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I didnt think you were being smarty. New word. Might use it. Lol

The one prophetic poem that I received said, you child are the Bride. The dream I had about being ushered into the wedding by security, I was the mother of the Groom. There's a mystery. I thought that meant the Sons. Producing The Christ.

Perhaps we advance?
 
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Meggido said:
Lazy Christians are not devoid of spiritual growth....sorry we disagree...
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I agree that lazy Christians are not devoid of spiritual growth.

With regards to the parable of the talents I don't fully get it.

One was given 5, one was given 2 and one was given 1.

5 returned 5, 2 returned 2.

Jesus said for both 5 & 2

Matthew 25:21
21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’

as for the person given 1 I don't get.

Matthew 25:26-28


26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.

Anyway I think what worries me that a believer can appear as lazy but in fact may not be.
A hurting person, a person who feels God does not love then and nothing thay can do will make God love them, will possibly sit back and in a sense say "What can I do?

That doesn't mean they are not necessarily growing as such. Because even in their state if they are calling out to God "I need you I need help" the spiritually they are growning even if they don't realise it.

Then at some point God honours their request, then they are set free and then God uses them to help others who have struggled as well.

Given my experience he uses us to help people who are struggling with the same thing.

Spiritually growing without realising it.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
excuse me bud, But I have not lived in sin since I was born of God.
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But when I say you are no longer a sinner saved by grace but a sin-forgiven saint who still sin, you state I am preaching sinless-perfection....and glory about being a sinner, which means you live in sin....and when I state we no longer have a sin nature you attmept to refute with Romans 7 and say Paul fought his sin nature all day long...

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John said whoever sins has never known God, did John lie? Is he contradicting paul in romans 1? Or is there an interpretation issue that can be resolved?
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I asked you:

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so since you sin, you do not know God?
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Where did John say those who did not LIVE in SIN know God? but those that do Sin don't know him!?!?!?

This is what you seem to be saying...if its not help us out...
 
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true Meggido, and it says the wrath of God has been revealed to them, (via conscience awareness), but they choose to suppress that truth in unrighteousness> Or as the harlot women of apostate belief says in rev 16 & 18, she shall suffer no sorrow, nor shall her children suffer...But the bible says that the wrath of God abides upon the children of disobedience...
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plain as day...many refuse to see it....or cannot see it...
 
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I want to say this. When I first came into the message of Sonship, it overwhelmed me because I received this truth as something I had to do to produce this. So my heart was, I just want to sit in the church and hear. It's been a process taking me from this attitude to true faith. I was converted, baptized in Spirit, but not trained. No fault of anyone or anything. Just not the time, nor the place of being taught.

Jesus is our Savior, past, present, future. He has a destiny for each of us, and He will produce it. He never fails. Our destinys are not the same, for we are separate members of His body, but together we all produce the Son.


No jealousy, none more loved than another.

Am done...and undone in His sight. :)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes we do

they are still christians, and still children of God.

WHich is better than being a person who is not a child of God playing christian who thinks they are saved. And will one day be told by God he never knew them.

which is far more dangerous than being a lazy christian.
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You seem to be making a judgement you state only belongs to God....
 
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TruthTalk said:
Decisionism

Decisionism in Christianity is the belief that a person is saved by coming forward, raising the hand, saying a prayer, believing a doctrine, making a lordship commitment, or some other external, human act, which is taken as the equivalent to, and proof of, the miracle of inward conversion. It is believed that a person is saved through the mere means of external decision and that performing one of these human actions also gives sufficient evidence of regeneration. Many who do not use an "invitation" still hold a form of "decisionism" that Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones called "Sandemanianism" (Banner of Truth Trust, 1987, "Puritans: Their Origins and Successors").

In contrast, Conversion is the result of that work of the Holy Spirit which draws a lost sinner to Jesus Christ for justification and regeneration, and changes the sinner's standing before God from lost to saved, imparting divine life to the depraved soul, thus producing a new direction in the life of the convert. The objective side of salvation is justification. The subjective side of salvation is regeneration. The result is conversion.

I found this information to be helpful, (learned this word from Preacher4Truth).

Attribute: Decisionism | Theopedia
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Taking an evangelistic viewpoint it can be shown some people sit on the fence of faith
and make no commitment or outworking of God in their life.

My experience is head knowledge and assent is not enough, praise and open declaration
is the starting of walking in grace.

So I would never take this negative view on open testimony. Jesus called people to follow and
obey. Unless you start doing both, there certainly is no reality in ones life, but equally it is
finally arriving in Christ at the end of ones life which is our inspiration.

So I would encourage everybody to speak from the heart and bring praise to the King, for that
is part of our worship of the King and an expression of who we are in Christ.
 
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Meggido said:
But when I say you are no longer a sinner saved by grace but a sin-forgiven saint who still sin, you state I am preaching sinless-perfection....and glory about being a sinner, which means you live in sin....and when I state we no longer have a sin nature you attmept to refute with Romans 7 and say Paul fought his sin nature all day long...
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This is the problem, and we have been over this before. And as usual, You still do not get why I say this.

It is not talking as a believer to another believer who is trying to grow in christ, It is talking to people who think they must earn salvation.

Of course, I have said this so many times, why you still insist to take me out of context is on you.

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I asked you:



Where did John say those who did not LIVE in SIN know God? but those that do Sin don't know him!?!?!?

This is what you seem to be saying...if its not help us out...
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Your joking right? Did John say anyone who commits even 1 sin has never seen or known God?

If not. Who is he talking to? I have given you my opinion numerous times, how about we see your opinion?
 
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Meggido said:
You seem to be making a judgement you state only belongs to God....
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I made the judgment in my origional statement, and you have been arguing with me ever since.

I am the one who made the statement, they are true believers who are lazy, vs non believers who are working hard playing religion who think they are saved.

I would rather be one than the other.

I am not talking about people who claim they are christians and have no work, but are hearers of the word only. Those people are NOT part of the equation.

You can not change my origional statement.
 
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Meggido said:
plain as day...many refuse to see it....or cannot see it...
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who is refusing to see it?

It is true, No one will have an excuse. Period..

Not the people who will stand in judgment who said God never revealed himself to them,. They were never given the gospel. Not the people who think they are saved, but chose religion over grace.

Non will have an excuse, he will tell them all the same thing, depart from me, for I never knew you/
 
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