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Ok, can you please stop for a minute and listen and stop being so defensive you can't hear a word people say to you?
Your argument against D.C. And most of us, is based on false information, you keep judging or telling us to listen to you, we need to believe what you say, WHEN WE ALREADY DO BELIEVE IT (concerning how a Christian will act, and the works they will do)
so do you want to keep arguing against something that is not real. Or learn what we really believe?
Your argument against D.C. And most of us, is based on false information, you keep judging or telling us to listen to you, we need to believe what you say, WHEN WE ALREADY DO BELIEVE IT (concerning how a Christian will act, and the works they will do)
so do you want to keep arguing against something that is not real. Or learn what we really believe?
If Scripture is not presented then you give way to houses being built on sand...
You try to imply I say works save.... no.. GOD saves us by His Grace through Faith in His Son unto good works.
Some say works have no impact on Salvation it is a one off can't be lost... that belief is not supported by Scripture.
If the Messiah deems someone's works not perfect He can refuse the right to the Tree of life.
We are to be Faithful and labour unto death to receive the crown of life.
And Nothing Paul wrote is against that Truth.
The works are evidence of ones Faith to the Lord who judges us all.
Works perfect ones Faith because they hear and do because they believe.
You try to imply I say works save.... no.. GOD saves us by His Grace through Faith in His Son unto good works.
Some say works have no impact on Salvation it is a one off can't be lost... that belief is not supported by Scripture.
If the Messiah deems someone's works not perfect He can refuse the right to the Tree of life.
We are to be Faithful and labour unto death to receive the crown of life.
And Nothing Paul wrote is against that Truth.
The works are evidence of ones Faith to the Lord who judges us all.
Works perfect ones Faith because they hear and do because they believe.
The sad thing about this gospel by catching the batton, it has no objective, rules,
restrictions.
When they cry allowed, that is not true, ask this one question, what are they?
This is merely and I repeat again, merely a way of avoiding any morality or connection
between behaviour and consequences. By its very nature this is lawlessness.
Now being bound to love, having Gods heart is walking in the inheritence we gain through
the cross.
Words are used but with non-obvious meaning. We repent, but do not turn from sin, we
do good works, but this is just believing God. This is just self deception and self serving
emotional needs and a real sense of dread and failure.
How can you tell this is their decree and motivation? Because they cannot talk emotional
reality and how they live is irrelevant to who they are.
Ofcourse emotionally compromised people will agree with them, because they only know this
compromise and have no other way out. But that is why the cross is an eternal testimony to
another way of living and a real hope of the eternal and purity.
restrictions.
When they cry allowed, that is not true, ask this one question, what are they?
This is merely and I repeat again, merely a way of avoiding any morality or connection
between behaviour and consequences. By its very nature this is lawlessness.
Now being bound to love, having Gods heart is walking in the inheritence we gain through
the cross.
Words are used but with non-obvious meaning. We repent, but do not turn from sin, we
do good works, but this is just believing God. This is just self deception and self serving
emotional needs and a real sense of dread and failure.
How can you tell this is their decree and motivation? Because they cannot talk emotional
reality and how they live is irrelevant to who they are.
Ofcourse emotionally compromised people will agree with them, because they only know this
compromise and have no other way out. But that is why the cross is an eternal testimony to
another way of living and a real hope of the eternal and purity.
Believe the Scriptures is what we all are to do.. the different beliefs are from interpretation you will then find groups forming from that... you could have 100 to 1 and still the 1 was relaying the Truth and others not.. I'm not saying I'm that 1 because I'm aware of Spirit filled people with such knowledge and wisdom that share Truth given to them so patiently and with such GOD given Wisdom.
When I say the Holy Spirit taught me it is not a boast or to prove.. but all credit to the Holy Spirit.. because I'm of no statue or anyone that should know the Truth... but it is given and I share freely and when you are taught and guided by the Holy Spirit you know that you could not know things unless GOD revealed them through His Spirit within you... you have the before and after witness.
Many come here and i share freely for no reason than for the Glory of GOD and Salvation of men.
im weak and He is strong.
im unlearned and He Teaches..
GOD knows the outcome of all things before they are done.. we walk Faithfully for He is Faithful.
When I say the Holy Spirit taught me it is not a boast or to prove.. but all credit to the Holy Spirit.. because I'm of no statue or anyone that should know the Truth... but it is given and I share freely and when you are taught and guided by the Holy Spirit you know that you could not know things unless GOD revealed them through His Spirit within you... you have the before and after witness.
Many come here and i share freely for no reason than for the Glory of GOD and Salvation of men.
im weak and He is strong.
im unlearned and He Teaches..
GOD knows the outcome of all things before they are done.. we walk Faithfully for He is Faithful.
EG believes he really knows himself and how he stands in Christ, so to show through scripture
another perspective is obviously deception.
And unfortunately like many, their defence is to walk righteously as Jesus walked is impossible.
They do not believe Paul was an example or any of the apostles. To them this is the joke to
turn them closer to Jesus. But in reality it just compounds their disbelief, because every sin they
find themselves in, confirms they are right as sinners, failed individuals to believe Christ will deliver
them, at some point in the future. Such an empty useless gospel, with no growth or developement
is pointless, if they ever wake up from it.
They truly are the same once "saved" as they are today, because progress is never acheived, just
a continual realisation of how big a bunch of sinners they really are.
And if the truth actually gets through, they will say, that is satan showing them their failure and
condemning them, to drive them to depend on Christ more.
This mindset is like a swamp that engulfs them and sucks them deeper down the more they think
about it. I truly pity this condescending gospel of defeat. Why should anyone want to believe
this if they are happy with their lives as they are, because there is nothing offered here but pie
in the sky.
another perspective is obviously deception.
And unfortunately like many, their defence is to walk righteously as Jesus walked is impossible.
They do not believe Paul was an example or any of the apostles. To them this is the joke to
turn them closer to Jesus. But in reality it just compounds their disbelief, because every sin they
find themselves in, confirms they are right as sinners, failed individuals to believe Christ will deliver
them, at some point in the future. Such an empty useless gospel, with no growth or developement
is pointless, if they ever wake up from it.
They truly are the same once "saved" as they are today, because progress is never acheived, just
a continual realisation of how big a bunch of sinners they really are.
And if the truth actually gets through, they will say, that is satan showing them their failure and
condemning them, to drive them to depend on Christ more.
This mindset is like a swamp that engulfs them and sucks them deeper down the more they think
about it. I truly pity this condescending gospel of defeat. Why should anyone want to believe
this if they are happy with their lives as they are, because there is nothing offered here but pie
in the sky.
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from what you just wrote, it appears you teach works, why? Because you just stated that to say works have no impact in salvation, we are wrong.
well, let's look at fact, IF works have an impact on salvation, then WE MUST be saved BY WORKS
so please, in the future when we say that we believe you teach works, remember what I just said, because that is 1 reason why, add to that the fact your teaching works in a salvation thread and not a growth thread, and we have two reasons, I am sure if I looked closer, I could find more,
now, to he second point,
DC, Myself, Grace777, MMD, GB9 and other people you are for gating against do not believe a person can be saved and do nothing, we all believe a person saved will do something, now, how much they do, we believe will be based on how much they grow as a child of God, babies will not do much, the can't, adults will have done many works, most of us are in between, but we will do works,
so your in a thread, trying to teach people who believe that children of a God will work, and because God will work in them. It only hat, but God will finish the job started making and ALL OF US Believe we continue us tour run the race, not sit still, hat we need to do what we believe we will do already.
Des es the second part make sense? Well of curse not, unless you have a false idea of what we think to begin with, which I have been trying all morning to show you but you refuse to listen, so now you will suffer th consequences of never having the ability to converse with us, because like a few others, you refuse to humble enough to figure out what we believe.
well, let's look at fact, IF works have an impact on salvation, then WE MUST be saved BY WORKS
so please, in the future when we say that we believe you teach works, remember what I just said, because that is 1 reason why, add to that the fact your teaching works in a salvation thread and not a growth thread, and we have two reasons, I am sure if I looked closer, I could find more,
now, to he second point,
DC, Myself, Grace777, MMD, GB9 and other people you are for gating against do not believe a person can be saved and do nothing, we all believe a person saved will do something, now, how much they do, we believe will be based on how much they grow as a child of God, babies will not do much, the can't, adults will have done many works, most of us are in between, but we will do works,
so your in a thread, trying to teach people who believe that children of a God will work, and because God will work in them. It only hat, but God will finish the job started making and ALL OF US Believe we continue us tour run the race, not sit still, hat we need to do what we believe we will do already.
Des es the second part make sense? Well of curse not, unless you have a false idea of what we think to begin with, which I have been trying all morning to show you but you refuse to listen, so now you will suffer th consequences of never having the ability to converse with us, because like a few others, you refuse to humble enough to figure out what we believe.
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non of his matters if you are going to continue to tell people to believe stuff they already believe, then get mad when your told that, as if you did not already know (we have told you to many times t count) they already believed it,
you did not not get your idea of what WE BELIEVE from the HS, the HS does not teach things which are not true and lad people astray.
you did not not get your idea of what WE BELIEVE from the HS, the HS does not teach things which are not true and lad people astray.
Oh my... I'm not mad with anyone... and you and your friends can stand united.. in the same beliefs and go about to teach accordingly.. the Truth is not created by us.. we can receive and share. .. it is not about me.. tbh the more I read here the more I know I must listen and hold fast to GOD's Truth.
Which it could be if we walk by faith not receiving the promise? .
And unfortunately like many, their defence is to walk righteously as Jesus walked is impossible.
We defend Him who defends us by his finished work of faith as an exclusive labor of His Love. After all it is Christ alone who does work in us to both will and do His good pleasure. .
Yes, only the Son of man walked without stumbling in the least of any commandment. To violate the least is to be found guilty of the whole .That would disqualify him if he did violate the least according to the demonstration of the lamb which was slain prior, the foundation of the world. .
It would seem you insist we must walk by sight requiring a sign in respect to what a person perform as a means of grace.
Putting the cart before the horse is what made the Jews stumble over the cross. (OSAS)
The principle as a law of faith does not change whether some abuse it or not it remains steadfast to the end..
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 1Co 1:22
While the unconverted Jew would say we will show our righteousness by a work we do that others could see (self righteousness) . The gentile held to an intellectual gospel, after the philosophies of men.
Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. (no faith)
Signs as that seen the temporal and false wonders, the faith principle as that not seen.Not just sign which can be used to observe but not seek after.
It’s the subject matter of Hebrews 6. Offering dead works toward God by a work of the flesh and calling it faith as if they had already received the promise . The moment they finish the work they have received the reward of pride. According to that kind of hope it shows they were not walking by faith . For who hopes for what they already have? and if they have received it freely why would they boast as if they had not? Christian are giving a living hope that surpasses human hope.
We are not to offer dead works and a call that faith towards God as a work we have performed . Good works are the norm they do not wash away previous sin..
They are the ones that crucify Christ over and over to public shame as if one demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the very foundation of the world was not enough. Better things accompany salvation called total redemption (OSAS) It why we fear Him with him there is forgiveness without there is no mercy.
And unfortunately like many, their defence is to walk righteously as Jesus walked is impossible.
We defend Him who defends us by his finished work of faith as an exclusive labor of His Love. After all it is Christ alone who does work in us to both will and do His good pleasure. .
Yes, only the Son of man walked without stumbling in the least of any commandment. To violate the least is to be found guilty of the whole .That would disqualify him if he did violate the least according to the demonstration of the lamb which was slain prior, the foundation of the world. .
It would seem you insist we must walk by sight requiring a sign in respect to what a person perform as a means of grace.
Putting the cart before the horse is what made the Jews stumble over the cross. (OSAS)
The principle as a law of faith does not change whether some abuse it or not it remains steadfast to the end..
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 1Co 1:22
While the unconverted Jew would say we will show our righteousness by a work we do that others could see (self righteousness) . The gentile held to an intellectual gospel, after the philosophies of men.
Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. (no faith)
Signs as that seen the temporal and false wonders, the faith principle as that not seen.Not just sign which can be used to observe but not seek after.
It’s the subject matter of Hebrews 6. Offering dead works toward God by a work of the flesh and calling it faith as if they had already received the promise . The moment they finish the work they have received the reward of pride. According to that kind of hope it shows they were not walking by faith . For who hopes for what they already have? and if they have received it freely why would they boast as if they had not? Christian are giving a living hope that surpasses human hope.
We are not to offer dead works and a call that faith towards God as a work we have performed . Good works are the norm they do not wash away previous sin..
They are the ones that crucify Christ over and over to public shame as if one demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the very foundation of the world was not enough. Better things accompany salvation called total redemption (OSAS) It why we fear Him with him there is forgiveness without there is no mercy.
The problem with this argument is simple.
How can the soil say they have can bring growth and life?
But they can testify to truth of that which is planted and encourage others to dwell
in the word of obedience.
It is fine if you want a faith of lawlessness and empty lives, but that is not why I love
Jesus and follow Him.
How can the soil say they have can bring growth and life?
But they can testify to truth of that which is planted and encourage others to dwell
in the word of obedience.
It is fine if you want a faith of lawlessness and empty lives, but that is not why I love
Jesus and follow Him.
As one member loves commenting, the sky is still blue.
I wonder how many people who have good marriages, loving families, victory in Christ stand in
these odd doctrinal groups.
If you want a picture of what happens to a society who choose the wrong moral framework look
at the Nazi's and what resulted. Doing what is right in ones own eyes is the road to death and
destruction. At a fundamental level if this is your outlook, Christ means nothing to you.
Some are so wedded to the celebration of religion they go to church were they accept they have
no faith. They do though believe in love and being nice to people, and church is as good a framework
to live this out as any.
Our testimony as a people is walk as Jesus walked or find yourself judged, and your house will crumble.
I wonder how many people who have good marriages, loving families, victory in Christ stand in
these odd doctrinal groups.
If you want a picture of what happens to a society who choose the wrong moral framework look
at the Nazi's and what resulted. Doing what is right in ones own eyes is the road to death and
destruction. At a fundamental level if this is your outlook, Christ means nothing to you.
Some are so wedded to the celebration of religion they go to church were they accept they have
no faith. They do though believe in love and being nice to people, and church is as good a framework
to live this out as any.
Our testimony as a people is walk as Jesus walked or find yourself judged, and your house will crumble.
Eg...
the works come through the Faith..
not the Faith from the works...
Abraham believed GOD.. as are we to do also..
If GOD said I should jump .. And I then jump.. did my jump cause me to believe GOD? No it was evidence of hearing believing and doing.
If I hear GOD tell me to jump but I jump not.. did I really believe Him? No because I did not jump.
So the jump came as part of the Believing GOD.
So likewise the Lord will know we are Faithful if we love and obey Him.. worthy therefore to call Him Lord.
the works come through the Faith..
not the Faith from the works...
Abraham believed GOD.. as are we to do also..
If GOD said I should jump .. And I then jump.. did my jump cause me to believe GOD? No it was evidence of hearing believing and doing.
If I hear GOD tell me to jump but I jump not.. did I really believe Him? No because I did not jump.
So the jump came as part of the Believing GOD.
So likewise the Lord will know we are Faithful if we love and obey Him.. worthy therefore to call Him Lord.
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name one person who thinks this? You people wonder why others get so mad at you, maybe if you would stop thinking you know what they believe, and instead, sit still and get to know what they believe, things would be so much easier.
Or maybe a bunch f you are just here to cause division, and you know you are falsely interpreting g what there believe on purpose t get people riled up?
which is it?
Or maybe a bunch f you are just here to cause division, and you know you are falsely interpreting g what there believe on purpose t get people riled up?
which is it?
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I agree that GOD's truth is the only truth that matters
but
Proverbs 12:1
“Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.”
sometimes God uses the body of Christ to do his work
this place has been used as a blessing to me
i cant say i take the doctrine of others to heart without prayer and re reading scriptures myself and asking God to reveal the truth to me
buuuuut
the people here have definitely helped keep me in check
and learn to be more loving
(even if that wasn't their intent)
but
Proverbs 12:1
“Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.”
sometimes God uses the body of Christ to do his work
this place has been used as a blessing to me
i cant say i take the doctrine of others to heart without prayer and re reading scriptures myself and asking God to reveal the truth to me
buuuuut
the people here have definitely helped keep me in check
and learn to be more loving
(even if that wasn't their intent)
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i am rolling on the floor right now loveme1. I have just spend over an hour trying t get you to see your trying to argue things people already to believ against them
here we go again,
I KNOW WORKS COME THROUGH FAITH, myself and the people you are fighting against have preached this since we arrived,
so why again are you trying to teach us stuff we already know,
once again... I KNOW,
SMH
if your not gong to listen, please stop, I KNOW THESE things, we have been preaching these things,
when will you listen?
Hw would you like it if people people kept coming at you and telling you you need to repent and believe things you already know?
I mean seriously, this is getting old
i am going to start copying all these posts so in the future if need be a I can re show them, because I am almost done with this nonsense. If you refuse to listen to what people are trying to tell you, that's on you
here we go again,
I KNOW WORKS COME THROUGH FAITH, myself and the people you are fighting against have preached this since we arrived,
so why again are you trying to teach us stuff we already know,
once again... I KNOW,
SMH
if your not gong to listen, please stop, I KNOW THESE things, we have been preaching these things,
when will you listen?
Hw would you like it if people people kept coming at you and telling you you need to repent and believe things you already know?
I mean seriously, this is getting old
i am going to start copying all these posts so in the future if need be a I can re show them, because I am almost done with this nonsense. If you refuse to listen to what people are trying to tell you, that's on you
That is a nice verse to share..
but if the knowledge and instruction is not in line with GOD's Word then I will not adhere..
here is a verse:
psalm 40
4Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
The Truth will be supported because the Bible is of not private interpretation.
2 Peter 1
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost