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As in lusting is committing adultery?
Matthew 5
21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
We are taught to forgive as we are forgiven..
Without a cause.. we should be slow to anger like our Heavenly Father and quick to forgive when we do.
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Throughout the bible it teaches repentance for remission. Repentance is a work, not a religious work, but a work of the soul coming clean with God, whereas the conscience is void of offence. This is the clearing that takes place in 2 Cor. 7-10,11. There is no forgiveness of past sins without this work. It’s absolutely impossible to circumvent this season of godly sorrow. (the seed that fell upon good soil) .. Solomon said; the preparation of the heart belongs to man, and the answer of the tongue is God’s…Its ALWAYS repentance for remission, not remission and then repentance later on……without the crucial work of repentance and crucifying the lusts of the flesh, none shall obtain mercy because the blood cannot be applied to cleans the soul…I know there are many that will not like to hear this truth. Notwithstanding, it’s still the truth…..be blessed
No, actually it is not the truth.....the bible is clear....Jesus already paid the sin debt of the whole world....The Holy Spirit now convicts of sin BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME>.....Sin is not the issue...faith is the issue and the thing that you miss, reject and deny, which is why you miss the mark is the BLESSEDNESS of the man to who GOD imputes RIGHTEOUSNESS without the deeds of the law......
now concerning the rest of your view....it misses the mark as well...GOD was reconciling the world unto himself before he even cast down the world.....MERCY and grace comes well before any act by men...........
now concerning the rest of your view....it misses the mark as well...GOD was reconciling the world unto himself before he even cast down the world.....MERCY and grace comes well before any act by men...........
Yes that's the verse I was thinking of.
So I agree with Him that to have anger in my heart at my brother is murder.
But just agreeing and accepting that this is true does not make me have no anger in my heart. I can try but at some point someone is going to be mean or rude and make me angry. (Like in this thread even!)
So since men murder even if they agree with God its murder, how do I stop it? Even our courts realize anger can well up so quickly in a man that he can't control it.
That's why there are stiffer penalties if it was planned over time versus in the heat of the moment.
So I agree with Him that to have anger in my heart at my brother is murder.
But just agreeing and accepting that this is true does not make me have no anger in my heart. I can try but at some point someone is going to be mean or rude and make me angry. (Like in this thread even!
)So since men murder even if they agree with God its murder, how do I stop it? Even our courts realize anger can well up so quickly in a man that he can't control it.
That's why there are stiffer penalties if it was planned over time versus in the heat of the moment.
Yes that's the verse I was thinking of.
So I agree with Him that to have anger in my heart at my brother is murder.
But just agreeing and accepting that this is true does not make me have no anger in my heart. I can try but at some point someone is going to be mean or rude and make me angry. (Like in this thread even!)
So since men murder even if they agree with God its murder, how do I stop it? Even our courts realize anger can well up so quickly in a man that he can't control it.
That's why there are stiffer penalties if it was planned over time versus in the heat of the moment.
So I agree with Him that to have anger in my heart at my brother is murder.
But just agreeing and accepting that this is true does not make me have no anger in my heart. I can try but at some point someone is going to be mean or rude and make me angry. (Like in this thread even!
)So since men murder even if they agree with God its murder, how do I stop it? Even our courts realize anger can well up so quickly in a man that he can't control it.
That's why there are stiffer penalties if it was planned over time versus in the heat of the moment.
Jesus and whip/money changers
Moses and the two tables of stone broken
Elisha and the 2 she bears and his curse
Paul and not sparing when he came to the Corinthian assembly
etc........
Yes that's the verse I was thinking of.
So I agree with Him that to have anger in my heart at my brother is murder.
But just agreeing and accepting that this is true does not make me have no anger in my heart. I can try but at some point someone is going to be mean or rude and make me angry. (Like in this thread even!)
So since men murder even if they agree with God its murder, how do I stop it? Even our courts realize anger can well up so quickly in a man that he can't control it.
That's why there are stiffer penalties if it was planned over time versus in the heat of the moment.
So I agree with Him that to have anger in my heart at my brother is murder.
But just agreeing and accepting that this is true does not make me have no anger in my heart. I can try but at some point someone is going to be mean or rude and make me angry. (Like in this thread even!
)So since men murder even if they agree with God its murder, how do I stop it? Even our courts realize anger can well up so quickly in a man that he can't control it.
That's why there are stiffer penalties if it was planned over time versus in the heat of the moment.
Follow His example.. when you think that the Messiah was without sin suffering on the cross to save us.. and you feel yourself becoming angry remind yourself that if He without sin went and suffered so we could be forgiven then who are we to hold anything against another? If you do anger be quick to forgive before the anger leads you to do evil.
BY faith into JESUS I have already done the works of the FATHER.........and no one has denied that one who is saved will produce fruit or works, but that the works do not save, keep saved and or finish salvation which is a one time eternal event of faith.....and lest we forget......those who are saved can also have works of wood, hay and stubble which is indicative of being worldly or unfaithful....
If you have to ask based upon the bolded below.......
Originally Posted by loveme1
Follow His example.. when you think that the Messiah was without sin suffering on the cross to save us.. and you feel yourself becoming angry remind yourself that if He without sin went and suffered so we could be forgiven then who are we to hold anything against another? If you do anger be quick to forgive before the anger leads you to do evil.
Yes, but also, what constitutes "without cause?"
If someone is rude to me, is that cause?
What about if they mock and taunt me?
What if they torture me to death?
Stephen when he was stoned to death, surely he could have gotten angry with cause instead of pleading with God to forgive them.
Jesus could have been angry with cause but He also asked God to forgive them.
And if God forgave me way more than just being rude, do I then have cause if someone else is rude to me? He forgave me for worse things than that (cancelled my debt), so can I then refuse to forgive (cancel another mans debt against me for a much smaller thing like being rude?)
The parable says it won't go well for me if I don't forgive a mans debt that is a smaller amount than what my debt was that was forgiven.
If someone is rude to me, is that cause?
What about if they mock and taunt me?
What if they torture me to death?
Stephen when he was stoned to death, surely he could have gotten angry with cause instead of pleading with God to forgive them.
Jesus could have been angry with cause but He also asked God to forgive them.
And if God forgave me way more than just being rude, do I then have cause if someone else is rude to me? He forgave me for worse things than that (cancelled my debt), so can I then refuse to forgive (cancel another mans debt against me for a much smaller thing like being rude?)
The parable says it won't go well for me if I don't forgive a mans debt that is a smaller amount than what my debt was that was forgiven.
Adam and eve were condemned in the garden and we are condemned today so the law must still be active.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Sin is still around today.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Sin is still around today.
Me personally it is a matter of perception......for example.......the sin part comes with anger if wrath is on the mind.....or...I will get you attitude.....there are things to be angry about such as......when we see on the news a man rapes and kills a little girl....this makes me angry as a man and as a believer.....a flip side would be....if one cuts me off while driving.....do I get mad and have evil thoughts like passing them and then locking the brakes up......it is how we deal with the anger that determines the outcome......that is the key to me....................