Not By Works

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Here is a pickle for you: Are those who DO NOT believe in eternal security, and teach you must be baptized to be saved and continue in some sort of purity (like the churches of Christ teach) saved?
 
Bogadile said:
Here is a pickle for you: Are those who DO NOT believe in eternal security, and teach you must be baptized to be saved and continue in some sort of purity (like the churches of Christ teach) saved?
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are they depending on God to save them? Or their work to save them? Who or what is their faith in?
 
Magenta said:
Can we give Him the boot? He says not :) Praise God!
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God says we lose Christ if we go back from Him in a willful sinning (a.k.a. 'unbelief'). And that's true because you can't have the only sacrifice for sin there is if you no longer possess the only sacrifice for sin there is because of unbelief. You can't have Christ when you are in unbelief.
 
PHart said:
God says we lose Christ if we go back from Him in a willful sinning (a.k.a. 'unbelief'). And that's true because you can't have the only sacrifice for sin there is if you no longer possess the only sacrifice for sin there is because of unbelief. You can't have Christ when you are in unbelief.
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here you go, if we go back to sinning,

thats law 101
 
PHart said:
God says we lose Christ if we go back from Him in a willful sinning
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No, it's you that says this, not God. Don't blame your error on God.

The funny thing about all of your misinterpretations is you've been asked numerous times to support these with any commentators that are orthodox, or any from church history.
 
PHart said:
Don't need 'em. Non OSAS doesn't need any help to be seen in the plain words of the Bible.
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That's te what they think, when you go all your life thinking you have good eyesite, you will continue t believe it until you put glasses on and see how bad your eye site was,

 
eternally-gratefull said:
here you go, if we go back to sinning,

thats law 101
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That's funny. How predictable, lol.
That's why I put 'a.k.a. unbelief' after that. Just for the person who would see it as a statement of 'works save'.

Unbelief is what causes you to lose the sacrifice of Christ. The return to the world is merely the expected outcome of the person who no longer believes.
 
PHart said:
In context, the Jews that get grafted back in are later generations of believing Jews, not the ones who died in their unbelief. Paul uses himself to prove the point.
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Didn't you just give verses from the same chapter using them in relation to Christians? A day or two ago? That was when I saw that verse.
 
preacher4truth said:
No, it's you that says this, not God. Don't blame your error on God.

The funny thing about all of your misinterpretations is you've been asked numerous times to support these with any commentators that are orthodox, or any from church history.
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Fran knew all the church history about non-OSAS. I just know what the Bible says.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
1. It is dangerous, because your working to earn salvation, which is a false gospel,
2. Thats should scare you to no end, it shows your trusting in your ability to be saved, not the promise oF God t save you,

we have comfort in God, not in our ability.
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He saved me by His kindness, through faith.
I'm going to continue to run my race of faith with the faith He gave me and that He continues to grow.
You can run your race without it if you want, in order to prove your doctrine.

Of course, that sounds silly to you. It does to me also.
But you're never going to get a man who believes that he has to keep believing to the end to then start believing he doesn't have to believe to the end. But you could try for a few more years and see if it happens.

This faith matter is not small. There are a lot of struggles He brings us through to grow it.
 
PHart said:
God says we lose Christ if we go back from Him in a willful sinning (a.k.a. 'unbelief'). And that's true because you can't have the only sacrifice for sin there is if you no longer possess the only sacrifice for sin there is because of unbelief. You can't have Christ when you are in unbelief.
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If Christ has you, nothing can snatch you from His hand :) I trust His promises.
 
PHart said:
That's funny. How predictable, lol.
That's why I put 'a.k.a. unbelief' after that. Just for the person who would see it as a statement of 'works save'.

Unbelief is what causes you to lose the sacrifice of Christ. The return to the world is merely the expected outcome of the person who no longer believes.
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Putting unbelief did did not help you, you said sinning, belief is just your out to convince yourself it's not a works based salvation, it is all the same, just different names.
 
Magenta said:
Didn't you just give verses from the same chapter using them in relation to Christians? A day or two ago? That was when I saw that verse.
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Yeah, I think so. Paul says to us gentiles to not be arrogant but fear, for he'll cut us out, too, if we don't continue to stand fast in our faith by which we stand.
 
PHart said:
Fran knew all the church history about non-OSAS. I just know what the Bible says.
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No, actually she didn't, and frankly you're both incorrect. Yes, you know what the Bible says, any person can know this, what you struggle with is what it means witnessed by your many errors.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Putting unbelief did did not help you, you said sinning, belief is just your out to convince yourself it's not a works based salvation, it is all the same, just different names.
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Sin can only damn the person who does not believe in Christ to wipe away that sin.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
are they depending on God to save them? Or their work to save them? Who or what is their faith in?
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I heard someone use this example: If you cheat on your wife, but then stop doing it, your wife is not obligated to forgive you, but can show mercy.
And they say, you repent and then God forgives because of His grace and mercy. But repentance is required to obtain that mercy.
Its tricky to say if it is works or not :D Tough stuff this is.
 
Magenta said:
If Christ has you, nothing can snatch you from His hand :) I trust His promises.
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Right, that is correct. That's why we need to stay in Christ through continued believing. You have to be in his hand to have the promise of never being able to be snatched out.
 
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