If you have separated yourself from the love of God, then Romans 8:38-39 becomes false. Nothing can separate us from that love...not even us.
i dont want to argue or cause division
but this is kind of why i posted the verses
im conflicted about one subject
forgive me for the repost but ive been talking to someone about "osas" and this is how i opened up
i dont think "once saved always saved" is correct in the sense you say the sinners prayer and youre good
but ... ok
first heres an example im sure you know
Luke 15:11-32
11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
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now, the younger son NEEDED to return to his father and repent EVEN though before he left he was still his son
just feeling sorry
and regretting didnt save him..
his father did
but HE had to return .... and his father was happy to RUN to him while he was still on his way back, and recieve him with open arms
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this is where confusion hits
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Romans 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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Proverbs 24:16
16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
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limited to seven?
no
Matthew 18:21-22
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
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its not a matter of how much we fall
its not a matter of our works
its not a matter of us HAVING salvation
its a matter of belief in Jesus
and LIVING according to the Holy spirit
now someone may have experienced the Holy spirit
heard Gods call
then depart from the faith before getting the gifts
but these people will show it in their fruits
Romans 1:27-28
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
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1 Timothy 4
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
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that was then
but to be honest
im still not sure
id say theres no way i can see a genuine faith in Jesus ever being corrupted
but some verses give warnings if im seeing them right
so it makes it hard for me to see osas as the ONLY possibility
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