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Be Faithful my dear believe GOD and His power will ignite evermore.
May the grievous become a delight by His Grace and Mercy.
In GOD we Trust.
13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another
Your verse is in support of Keeping the Commandments of GOD through Faith in the Messiah.
Teaching the New Covenant in place of the Old....
Hi Desertsrose,
You can try to live by "doing" the 100 commands if you desire. I will choose to believe in Christ's work and rely on His love in me to manifest His life so that others can see the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them
If someone thinks they can love God by keeping all those 100 commands - go for it. When they fail ( and they will ) - the enemy will have a field-day with their minds but I have good news - Jesus will be faithful to reveal Himself and His finished work on our behalf.
He will show us how to rest in His love for us which will result as a fruit of Him being one spirit with us - we will love God with His love and love others and that will be the fulfillment of the law.
What you have said in brown above is nonsense and is completely mis-representing what I have said concerning the OT and that the NT doesn't apply either.
I have said many times that we are not in nor under the Old Covenant because we are in the New Covenant.
I have stated many times that all scripture is inspired of God and is profitable but NOT all scripture is "to you". There is a massive difference between scripture being "to you" and in it being "for you".
The New Covenant started when Jesus died and rose again from the dead. It doesn't start with Matt. 1:1 when Jesus was born.
Hebrews 9:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it.
I will ask you this - Do we go and show ourselves to the priest when we are healed now like Jesus said for a man to do? Do we tell people to keep the 10 commandments in order to be saved today like Jesus said to the man that thought he had kept the law of Moses from his youth? Of course not.
If we don't rightly divide the words of scripture through the finished work of the cross and resurrection of Jesus - we will be continually mixing up the Old Covenant with the New Covenant and ruining both just like Jesus said. You can't put new wine in an old wineskin.
I do wish you well in your attempts "to do" the 100 commands and when you are worn out - the Lord Jesus will be there to pick you up and reveal His love and grace towards you and all of us. He is faithful!
I hope you have a great day!
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[TD="class: passage-col col-xs-12 first last"][h=1]Psalm 119King James Version (KJV)[/h]119 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
12 Blessed art thou, O Lord: teach me thy statutes.
13 With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth.
14 I have rejoiced in the way of thy testimonies, as much as in all riches.
a little taste.
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[TD="class: passage-col col-xs-12 first last"][h=1]Psalm 119King James Version (KJV)[/h]119 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
12 Blessed art thou, O Lord: teach me thy statutes.
13 With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth.
14 I have rejoiced in the way of thy testimonies, as much as in all riches.
a little taste.
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Eternal life is eternal. It is expressed in the "quality" of life and not to the duration of life per se. ( although duration is an aspect of it )
It is life of the same quality pertaining to eternity. Wherever God inhabits is known as the realm of eternity. By virtue of the indwelling of God through the Lord Jesus Christ via the Holy Spirit - your spirit has become the abode of God and hence eternal.
Eternal life is life in the absolute sense of the term and it is "now".
Salvation is defined as the Savior living "in" us first and foremost. Jesus does not give us salvation per se - He Himself is salvation.
Therefore just as you cannot lose Jesus - you cannot lose salvation. That is why those who preach the possibility of the loss of salvation are implying that it is possible to extract the Savior from the believer and dissolve an inseparable union between the Savior and the saved. This is impossible.
There are warning scriptures that should be heeded because of our faith can get ship-wrecked in this earth for many reasons and we can depart from relying in what Christ has done.
The reality is people can be going to church every time the doors are open, praying 5 hours a day, read their bibles 3 hours every day, witness to every thing that moves, be pastoring a church for 30 years, read the scriptures in Greek and Hebrew, live good moral lives and still be "fallen away" from the faith.
The "fallen away" - apostasy - which is the Greek word [FONT="Gentium" !important]aphistēmi [/FONT]really means to "with draw from, depart from, abstain from
People "fall away from the faith" when they rely on what they do or don't do for life and righteousness instead of relying on what Christ has already done.
It is life of the same quality pertaining to eternity. Wherever God inhabits is known as the realm of eternity. By virtue of the indwelling of God through the Lord Jesus Christ via the Holy Spirit - your spirit has become the abode of God and hence eternal.
Eternal life is life in the absolute sense of the term and it is "now".
Salvation is defined as the Savior living "in" us first and foremost. Jesus does not give us salvation per se - He Himself is salvation.
Therefore just as you cannot lose Jesus - you cannot lose salvation. That is why those who preach the possibility of the loss of salvation are implying that it is possible to extract the Savior from the believer and dissolve an inseparable union between the Savior and the saved. This is impossible.
There are warning scriptures that should be heeded because of our faith can get ship-wrecked in this earth for many reasons and we can depart from relying in what Christ has done.
The reality is people can be going to church every time the doors are open, praying 5 hours a day, read their bibles 3 hours every day, witness to every thing that moves, be pastoring a church for 30 years, read the scriptures in Greek and Hebrew, live good moral lives and still be "fallen away" from the faith.
The "fallen away" - apostasy - which is the Greek word [FONT="Gentium" !important]aphistēmi [/FONT]really means to "with draw from, depart from, abstain from
People "fall away from the faith" when they rely on what they do or don't do for life and righteousness instead of relying on what Christ has already done.
It is about believing to the Saving of our soul.
If we take heed of what the Messiah writes in Revelation and Repent we are continuing to believe Him and Trust Him
If there is no message that cuts asunder then all is well and you continue believing and living Faithfully.
If we take heed of what the Messiah writes in Revelation and Repent we are continuing to believe Him and Trust Him
If there is no message that cuts asunder then all is well and you continue believing and living Faithfully.
thanks bro. John tell the truth, His command is delight, it is my mistake that I fail to obey easy command.
I pray, God will help me to focus on Him, I believe His command become a delight only if our focus is not on earthly thingi anymore.
I remember Paul said; I am not focus on what I can see, because it is temporary, but I put my focus on the things above, because it is eternity.
When our focus shift above, I believe, obey become delight
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Wrong thread,
this thread is about people who think you have to work to gain or maintain salvation,
not about obedience, no one here think a child of a God can go live a life of Disobedience
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Amen
I am still waiting for the verse which showed Peter going t Jesus and asking for forgiveness. So he could get his salvation back.
Oh, I guess Jackson123 didn't like the passage...skipped right past it to talk to the workers...lolzzzzz
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Seeing that God gave him unmerited favor? Yeah probably.
Unmerited favor is not a calvin thing it is a God thing
lol
Are you saying they're going to Hell?
It's something that "you" can get saved by simply accepting Christ & do absolutely nothing else, & "we" repent of our sins, accept Christ as Savior & Lord, & still go to Hell because we "try" & "strive" to keep the commands of Jesus?!?
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Now, Meggido, you are judging wrongfully, when you say that about dying. For the truth is that if we are His, born again, that has already happened. Read your bible a little closer.
We all desire to do what the Lord would have us do. The divide here is whether we follow by law, or spirit. And stop blaming others that aren't even here. Lol. Hillsong has nothing to do with this discussion. Try to stay focused, both you and seven.
Again, full surrender happened, God choses by sealing our spirit, baptized us in His power and introduces us to living in the Spirit.
If there is a problem, it came from hellfire and brimstone preachers. Not Hillsong. Now grace being unmerited, but placed on the merits of Jesus alone, also now includes the power of God within us to finish the work started on earth by Jesus.
So so let's reveal what we are now, and who we've become. God is very watchful over His body, so we need to find some happy unity here. If we begin by teaching we are now a spiritual being, and walk in life by His Voice within...sometimes without too, but rarely I think, are we together then in this?
I find most believers to be untaught in the spiritual life we can live, including myself and I too resisted much until God Himself thought it time to instruct. I can be as stubborn as a mule at times, but as I said to you, then we become a target for Holy Spirit. Because He loves to take the stubborn and cause the prideful man that we all have to fall. I think it's His delight actually. I've seen some funny stuff.
Teach the truth in love and add humor.
Drop the club. It only raises another club and then onhigh has a problem. Both the one here and above.
Unmerited favor is not a calvin thing it is a God thing
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true, but it actually goes much deeper in thought when you look at the Hebrew. It is for One who is superior to bend the knee in kindness to one inferior.
Did Calvin say this?
I listened to a message a few days ago by Roberts Liardon. He was saying a bit about grace teachers going too far in their teachings too.
I can't relate his message or I'll mess it up. But, what I got from it is a warning. The devil isn't anything to play around with and we do need to get instruction from the Lord as to His will for our lives. And playing church now is a thing of the past or the churches like this will,lose their light.
We do need the message we will die for but out of love with power.
and now I'm done.
I can't relate his message or I'll mess it up. But, what I got from it is a warning. The devil isn't anything to play around with and we do need to get instruction from the Lord as to His will for our lives. And playing church now is a thing of the past or the churches like this will,lose their light.
We do need the message we will die for but out of love with power.
and now I'm done.