Not By Works

[Magenta]

Romans 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says,
it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may
be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified
in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is
revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in
Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.
For there is no difference;

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

24 being justified freely by His grace through
the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood,
through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness,
because in His forbearance God had passed over
the sins that were previously committed,

26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that
He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law?
Of works? No, but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified
by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a scripture that if we take God at His word - we will all be in trouble.

The bible is the most beautiful book in the world and at the same time - the most dangerous book in the hands of a religious belief system in all it's forms.

Here is a scripture that says that if anyone who has ever sinned against God will be blotted out of the book. This means that all of us have been blotted out of God's book for who has not ever sinned? No one.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.


This is a true statement but it is not the ultimate statement of truth because what Christ did on the cross and resurrection trumps this truth.

Everything in the bible is truly stated but not everything is a statement of ultimate truth.

All scripture must be filtered through the finished work of the Lord Jesus on the cross and resurrection or we end up with a works-based/works-righteousness belief system that is actually denying the Lord Jesus Himself and all that He has already done.

Not all scripture is written "to you" but all scripture is written "for" us and the Holy Spirit can use all scripture to reveal Christ to us. Don't take someone else's medicine.

We are as reliant on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ in the scriptures to us as Mary was reliant on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.

 

[Desertsrose]

Hi Desertsrose,

We don't have 50 commands to do in the New Covenant. That is a works based false gospel IMO and will cause many to be ship-wrecked in their faith.

We have those 2 commands as 1 John 3:23 clearly shows and from those the life of Christ is manifested. The gospel is all about Christ! When we believe in Him - then His life will manifest in these things that Jesus talked about.

If you look at the context of Matt. 28:18-20 - Jesus was only speaking to the 11 disciples. These were mandated by Jesus to preach about Him!

Jesus appeared to over 500 people and yet He only gave this charge in Matt 28 to the 11 disciples. ( We are to be a light but that is not the same as Jesus' charge to the 11 disciples )

Many times we take scriptures spoken to specific people and then try to make "every one" do the same thing. This is a gross error which has caused many to ship-wreck their faith. They were "trying to do" someone else's ministry because they were "told to obey Jesus".

Matthew 28:16-20 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

[SUP]19 [/SUP] "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Jesus said that whosoever does the will of God will be saved.

John 6:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"

[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."


Jesus gave them a "new commandment" along with "believing in Him".

John 13:34 (NASB)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

John 20:31 (NASB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.


Also - the 2 commands to love God will all your heart and soul and mind and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself are from the Law of Moses.

Jesus answered the scribe that asked Him "What is the greatest commandment in the law?"

We don't live by that Law of Moses - we live in the New Covenant which has 2 commandments - to believe and to love. These all come from Christ Himself in us and are not things "we generate" from ourselves.

It is true that love fulfills the intent of the Law but we don't live by the commands of that Law - we live by the life of Christ in us now which as a fruit of His life - we will manifest the "descriptions" of what it looks like when He is living in and through us.

But if you think we have 50 commands to do - that is your choice and you are entitled to believe how you like.......

I have heard that someone one time counted over 100 different commands of Jesus that they thought we had to do. I'll stick with believing in Christ and relying on His life and love to manifest in and through me and thus fulfill the intent of the law.

Hi Grace,

You're correct, it's more than 50 that we'll obey as we love the Lord our God and love our neighbor as ourself. I only posted 50, there are others.

1 Peter 1:1-2
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

Every thing Jesus taught the disciples (apostles) they were to teach us to obey ALL of Jesus' commandments. I'm really baffled why any Christian would have a problem with obedience.

If I tell someone to obey the Lord before they're saved, that's a works-based salvation. If I tell someone we must obey the scriptures and love our enemy, that's obedience after salvation. Faith produces obedience. How difficult is that to understand.

Okay, so you've said that we're not to have anything to do with the OT. And then you say that we're not to have anything to do with the commands or words of Jesus because they're OT. So how much of the NT am I allowed to learn from to obey my Lord? Is all my studying a waste of time?

When the apostles being obedient to the Lord teach us to obey His commandments that God had written down for our benefit, you're telling me I'm not to obey the teachings of the NT except your references in 1 John? All there teachings are a waste of time? I'm not to obey anything they've said?

So when the NT says to stop lying to one another or when it tells children to obey their parents, we're not to obey that? Those 50 commands of Jesus, I'm not to obey?

If I'm in Christ and a new creation, born of the Spirit, when I read those scriptures, I'm going to obey them.

You post 2 scriptures and say thats all we do now? We believe out of obedience? We love out of obedience? How is that not a work, but if I say I'm going to obey the other commands, those are a work? You are contradicting yourself or you are choosing what you want to obey and what you don't want to obey.

Where it says this is the work of God that you believe in whom He has sent. Guess what? Belief is faith and faith without works is dead. It's a dead faith. If I believe the One God has sent, I'm going to believe Him, therefore I'm going to obey Him.

How much of the word can I obey?

And if all scripture which is OT is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, reproof, correction and training in righteousness, wouldn't the OT even be more so?

SaveSave​

 

[Grace777x70]

Hi Grace,

You're correct, it's more than 50 that we'll obey as we love the Lord our God and love our neighbor as ourself. I only posted 50, there are others.

1 Peter 1:1-2
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

Every thing Jesus taught the disciples (apostles) they were to teach us to obey ALL of Jesus' commandments. I'm really baffled why any Christian would have a problem with obedience.

If I tell someone to obey the Lord before they're saved, that's a works-based salvation. If I tell someone we must obey the scriptures and love our enemy, that's obedience after salvation. Faith produces obedience. How difficult is that to understand.

Okay, so you've said that we're not to have anything to do with the OT. And then you say that we're not to have anything to do with the commands or words of Jesus because they're OT. So how much of the NT am I allowed to learn from to obey my Lord? Is all my studying a waste of time?

When the apostles being obedient to the Lord teach us to obey His commandments that God had written down for our benefit, you're telling me I'm not to obey the teachings of the NT except your references in 1 John? All there teachings are a waste of time? I'm not to obey anything they've said?

So when the NT says to stop lying to one another or when it tells children to obey their parents, we're not to obey that? Those 50 commands of Jesus, I'm not to obey?

If I'm in Christ and a new creation, born of the Spirit, when I read those scriptures, I'm going to obey them.

You post 2 scriptures and say thats all we do now? We believe out of obedience? We love out of obedience? How is that not a work, but if I say I'm going to obey the other commands, those are a work? You are contradicting yourself or you are choosing what you want to obey and what you don't want to obey.

Where it says this is the work of God that you believe in whom He has sent. Guess what? Belief is faith and faith without works is dead. It's a dead faith. If I believe the One God has sent, I'm going to believe Him, therefore I'm going to obey Him.

How much of the word can I obey?

And if all scripture which is OT is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, reproof, correction and training in righteousness, wouldn't the OT even be more so?

SaveSave​

Hi Desertsrose,

I have no problem with obedience - it's just what is this obedience? We are to be "obedient to the faith" which is believing in Christ's work


To obey Christ is to believe in Him and it is called being "obedient to the faith". This is how we are "sprinkled with His blood."

Jesus said "Repent and believe in the gospel". Mark 1:15

I am saying that the commands we have in the New Covenant are those 2 given by both Jesus and John. In these 2 all of the other descriptions of what the life of Christ looks like will be manifested.

A works-based false gospel is one that says we need to do 100 or 50 commandments.

I have not said that we not to have anything to do with the Old Testament nor did I say that we are not to have anything to do with the commands and words of Jesus - where in the world did you get that nonsense from?

You are not "hearing " what I am saying. I'm saying that as we obey the 2 commandments in the New Covenant - then all the other things will be manifested.


All of the Old Testament speaks of Christ Himself and all scripture is useful for instruction and training..etc.

Here is what I have posted about "obedience" at least a dozen times - maybe more but I will post it again in another separate post so that there is no is-representing of what is being said. The viewers may find it useful.

 

[Grace777x70]

Legalism - in the biblical sense of the word - is any attitude or belief that human merit can produce, prove, or preserve for one-self an acceptable standing before God.

Whenever our assurance of salvation rests upon our "performance" rather then upon the "promises" of God that are Yes and Amen in Christ - we are in big trouble - we have fallen from grace to rely on our own self-effort so grace does not flow to us.

Obedience in the New Covenant:

In loving God and others as Jesus says is the greatest commandment in the law in relation to obedience.

Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.

It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love" as we grow in our awareness of His love for us.

We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.

When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.

I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us to reflect the true kingdom of the love and grace of God to a hurt and dying world.

Teach and preach who believers are in Christ because we are in union in one spirit with the Lord Jesus and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.

For it is God who is at work in us - both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Phil. 2:13

We can believe in this truth and rest in Christ knowing that the Holy Spirit will reveal Christ to us.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[Meggido]

Hi Grace,

You're correct, it's more than 50 that we'll obey as we love the Lord our God and love our neighbor as ourself. I only posted 50, there are others.

1 Peter 1:1-2
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

Every thing Jesus taught the disciples (apostles) they were to teach us to obey ALL of Jesus' commandments. I'm really baffled why any Christian would have a problem with obedience.

If I tell someone to obey the Lord before they're saved, that's a works-based salvation. If I tell someone we must obey the scriptures and love our enemy, that's obedience after salvation. Faith produces obedience. How difficult is that to understand.

Okay, so you've said that we're not to have anything to do with the OT. And then you say that we're not to have anything to do with the commands or words of Jesus because they're OT. So how much of the NT am I allowed to learn from to obey my Lord? Is all my studying a waste of time?

When the apostles being obedient to the Lord teach us to obey His commandments that God had written down for our benefit, you're telling me I'm not to obey the teachings of the NT except your references in 1 John? All there teachings are a waste of time? I'm not to obey anything they've said?

So when the NT says to stop lying to one another or when it tells children to obey their parents, we're not to obey that? Those 50 commands of Jesus, I'm not to obey?

If I'm in Christ and a new creation, born of the Spirit, when I read those scriptures, I'm going to obey them.

You post 2 scriptures and say thats all we do now? We believe out of obedience? We love out of obedience? How is that not a work, but if I say I'm going to obey the other commands, those are a work? You are contradicting yourself or you are choosing what you want to obey and what you don't want to obey.

Where it says this is the work of God that you believe in whom He has sent. Guess what? Belief is faith and faith without works is dead. It's a dead faith. If I believe the One God has sent, I'm going to believe Him, therefore I'm going to obey Him.

How much of the word can I obey?

And if all scripture which is OT is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, reproof, correction and training in righteousness, wouldn't the OT even be more so?

SaveSave​

People have a problem with obedience because it is hard and involves dying to the process....Obedience means total 100% surrender to the master.......it means to be at one with him....by nature people do not want to give up total control and dance around the subject.....There will be many who offer his grace back to him and he will say, why do you Call me Lord and not do the things I say......I watched another inherited ministries preacher, Judah Smith, tell people a few months ago, that confessing with your mouth the Lord Jesus, is not really a verbal thing...it means I simply confess what his grace as done for me and passively let him work it all out for me....He continued, Jesus is not looking for our obedience, Jesus is looking for our acknowledgement in what his grace does for us......and his grace allows for our willful disobedience and baby desire to disobey, because really, obedience is legalism....grace paves the way for us to grow in our obedience without having to totally submit ourselves to him.....so confessing him as Lord in your life and submitting fully to him is religion....Brian Houston, Carl Lentz and all of Hillsong are saying pretty much the same thing now....

Gal 6.6-8

[SUP]6 [/SUP]The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

 

[Stephen63]

This is called flooding, and is considered very poor forum etiquette.

Really?

G777 has been copy/pasting his posts over & over & over since 2015, and you don't say one word about it.

Care to tell us why?

You want to talk about poor etiquette, what about plagiarism?

I've caught you pasting off the internet without showing the author.

Sweep around your own back porch before you start on somebody else.

 

[Desertsrose]

Hi Desertsrose,

I have no problem with obedience - it's just what is this obedience? We are to be "obedient to the faith" which is believing in Christ's work


To obey Christ is to believe in Him and it is called being "obedient to the faith". This is how we are "sprinkled with His blood."

Jesus said "Repent and believe in the gospel". Mark 1:15

I am saying that the commands we have in the New Covenant are those 2 given by both Jesus and John. In these 2 all of the other descriptions of what the life of Christ looks like will be manifested.

A works-based false gospel is one that says we need to do 100 or 50 commandments.

I have not said that we not to have anything to do with the Old Testament nor did I say that we are not to have anything to do with the commands and words of Jesus - where in the world did you get that nonsense from?

You are not "hearing " what I am saying. I'm saying that as we obey the 2 commandments in the New Covenant - then all the other things will be manifested.


All of the Old Testament speaks of Christ Himself and all scripture is useful for instruction and training..etc.

Here is what I have posted about "obedience" at least a dozen times - maybe more but I will post it again in another separate post so that there is no is-representing of what is being said. The viewers may find it useful.

I also said that the rest hang on the 2, but my 2 differ from yours, they are what Jesus said.

I believe what John said and will obey all of scripture, but Jesus said the 2 greatest were to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and the 2nd is similar to the first, we are to love our neighbor as ourself. For all the law and all the prophets hang on those two.

And the Lord didn't say that we can obey if we want to or we don't have to obey if we don't feel like it. So you can call me a name if you'd like, (works salvationist) but a command is a command and is required. My transformed thought process of the Holy Spirit doesn't tell me to obey if I feel like it. My carnal flesh will tell me that.

So do you have to repent and believe the gospel to be saved? Or can you choose not to and still be saved?

Yes you have said that the OT is not for today and you've said that the NT is actually OT and it doesn't apply either. Jesus' teaching are Old Testament you said and don't apply to us now. If you'd like, I will try to find the posts.

 

[Stephen63]

We don't have 50 commands to do in the New Covenant. That is a works based false gospel IMO and will cause many to be ship-wrecked in their faith.

Both sentences are lies.

If you looked in the NT, you'll find a bunch of commands. Several were by Jesus Himself.

Actually, I'm not really saying this to you, because you refuse to believe it.

I'm posting this to the readers so they won't believe your lies.

 

[TruthTalk]

This post is to inform everyone on this thread Including Dcon, that I need to take a break.
I am getting signs from my lovely wife that I have not been my normal self and she has
been telling me for weeks that I need to take more time to relax.

My apologies for leaving you all so soon.

God bless everyone.

 

[UnderGrace]

I will miss you, but wives know best.
Come back soon when you have rested up.

God bless

This post is to inform everyone on this thread Including Dcon, that I need to take a break.
I am getting signs from my lovely wife that I have not been my normal self and she has
been telling me for weeks that I need to take more time to relax.

My apologies for leaving you all so soon.

God bless everyone.

 

[preacher4truth]

The sermon on the Mount is a good place to begin when Jesus is teaching His disciples, its perfect Christian Doctrine. Matthew 5-7

Have you read D Martyn Lloyd-Jones book on the SOTM? It is very good.

 

[Jackson123]

Hi Grace,

You're correct, it's more than 50 that we'll obey as we love the Lord our God and love our neighbor as ourself. I only posted 50, there are others.

1 Peter 1:1-2
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

Every thing Jesus taught the disciples (apostles) they were to teach us to obey ALL of Jesus' commandments. I'm really baffled why any Christian would have a problem with obedience.

If I tell someone to obey the Lord before they're saved, that's a works-based salvation. If I tell someone we must obey the scriptures and love our enemy, that's obedience after salvation. Faith produces obedience. How difficult is that to understand.

Okay, so you've said that we're not to have anything to do with the OT. And then you say that we're not to have anything to do with the commands or words of Jesus because they're OT. So how much of the NT am I allowed to learn from to obey my Lord? Is all my studying a waste of time?

When the apostles being obedient to the Lord teach us to obey His commandments that God had written down for our benefit, you're telling me I'm not to obey the teachings of the NT except your references in 1 John? All there teachings are a waste of time? I'm not to obey anything they've said?

So when the NT says to stop lying to one another or when it tells children to obey their parents, we're not to obey that? Those 50 commands of Jesus, I'm not to obey?

If I'm in Christ and a new creation, born of the Spirit, when I read those scriptures, I'm going to obey them.

You post 2 scriptures and say thats all we do now? We believe out of obedience? We love out of obedience? How is that not a work, but if I say I'm going to obey the other commands, those are a work? You are contradicting yourself or you are choosing what you want to obey and what you don't want to obey.

Where it says this is the work of God that you believe in whom He has sent. Guess what? Belief is faith and faith without works is dead. It's a dead faith. If I believe the One God has sent, I'm going to believe Him, therefore I'm going to obey Him.

How much of the word can I obey?

And if all scripture which is OT is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, reproof, correction and training in righteousness, wouldn't the OT even be more so?

SaveSave​

I agree, If we not obey we not save.

God want us to believe or have faith in Him.

not obey this command, mean not believe in Jesus

not believe in Jesus mean not save.

and alot other command we have to obey, basically to love

we may not able to perfectly do It but we learn to do it, just lean oN Him, that is all we can do

 

[loveme1]

1 John 5

[h=1]1 John 5King James Version (KJV)[/h]5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.



John is Teaching us to Keep the Commandments. He is affirming the Great and second like it as Taught by Our Messiah. If they are grievous still then let the power of GOD astonish you and may His Love flow evermore.. until you delight in His law.

Believe the Testimony of the Messiah... no second guessing or unbelieving... believe His Words. It is the law of Faith.

 

[followjesus]

Hi Grace,

Jesus commanded the apostles to go and make disciples of all nations. They were to baptize them and Jesus told them to tell the disciples to obey all that he commanded them. Matthew 28:18-20

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

The two commands to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and to love our neighbor as ourself fulfills all the law and the prophets.

We still need to read and obey all of God's word and apply it appropriately. The 50 commands I listed are commands we need to hear and obey today. They hang on the two.

Yes to say I love everyone is not what were commanded its to Love as Jesus Loves. and we learn that through His doctrine.

to Love in a way that fulfills the Law =

Luke 10:...And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. 29But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, 34And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. 36Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? 37And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise."

Love is to be Lik Jesus taught His disciples to be to learn from Jesus and boldly follow where we have never Gone Before. day by day following after the truth and freedom found within. press forward God Loves you

 

[loveme1]

Yes to say I love everyone is not what were commanded its to Love as Jesus Loves. and we learn that through His doctrine.

to Love in a way that fulfills the Law =

Luke 10:...And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.29But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, 34And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. 36Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? 37And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise."

Love is to be Lik Jesus taught His disciples to be to learn from Jesus and boldly follow where we have never Gone Before. day by day following after the truth and freedom found within. press forward God Loves you

Thank you for sharing.. some food for my Spirit.


Glory to Heavenly Father and our Messiah.

 

[Jackson123]

1 John 5

1 John 5King James Version (KJV)

5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.



John is Teaching us to Keep the Commandments. He is affirming the Great and second like it as Taught by Our Messiah. If they are grievous still then let the power of GOD astonish you and may His Love flow evermore.. until you delight in His law.

Believe the Testimony of the Messiah... no second guessing or unbelieving... believe His Words. It is the law of Faith.

verse 3 startled me. His commandment are not grievous
gmay God help me to obey the not grievous command. I do believe John tell the truth, I do not know why I often fail to obey not grievous command

 

[dcontroversal]

This is called flooding, and is considered very poor forum etiquette.

Nor does it prove a works based salvation.....which the bible does not teach anyway!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Here is a scripture that if we take God at His word - we will all be in trouble.

The bible is the most beautiful book in the world and at the same time - the most dangerous book in the hands of a religious belief system in all it's forms.

Here is a scripture that says that if anyone who has ever sinned against God will be blotted out of the book. This means that all of us have been blotted out of God's book for who has not ever sinned? No one.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.


This is a true statement but it is not the ultimate statement of truth because what Christ did on the cross and resurrection trumps this truth.

Everything in the bible is truly stated but not everything is a statement of ultimate truth.

All scripture must be filtered through the finished work of the Lord Jesus on the cross and resurrection or we end up with a works-based/works-righteousness belief system that is actually denying the Lord Jesus Himself and all that He has already done.

Not all scripture is written "to you" but all scripture is written "for" us and the Holy Spirit can use all scripture to reveal Christ to us. Don't take someone else's medicine.

We are as reliant on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ in the scriptures to us as Mary was reliant on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.

And just think...all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.........except Jesus who became sin for us......!

 

[dcontroversal]

There is no "implication". When YOU state what you did above....you are saying that you can deny Jesus and still be saved...and Jesus himself said this was not TRUE...



Matt 10.33

[SUP]33 [/SUP]But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

We will not even discuss how you think Peter had salvation as you preach it...

Good...keep me on ignore...your words carrry no value! and my post stands...show one verse that states Peter lost his salvation.....we will all wait!