Not By Works

[stonesoffire]

The part we play is repentance unto salvation. I doubt very much that DCon denies that. We grow in our faith which is placed in Jesus Christ, and His work on our behalf, to bring us out from under the penalty accorded by the law, which Jesus fulfilled on our behalf. The contention thereafter always seems to be, do works henceforth save us, or keep us saved? It seems we all agree that we are saved to do good works. The issue then becomes one of certain people claiming they do good works and others don't, as if they knew! They see resting in Christ as dong nothing. Some even claim to be sinless, and will say if any still sin they are not saved.

That's how I see it too Magenta. The posts I've read from Dcon have been consistent. But, as I said...I came in late.

Where's Ariel by the way? Still camping and working with the kids?

 

[stonesoffire]

I best get off here. Will be back later. Have a great afternoon, morning, evening wherever you all are.

 

[Magenta]

That's how I see it too Magenta. The posts I've read from Dcon have been consistent. But, as I said...I came in late.

Where's Ariel by the way? Still camping and working with the kids?

I have been wondering the same thing, but I do not know... and yes, DCon is very consistent in the presentation of what he believes

To add to what I said before:

In other words, our faith is counted as righteousness, as was Abraham's, but it is the righteousness of God and Jesus Christ we put on, through the working of the Holy Spirit in our lives.

 

[Meggido]

I have to be honest here PennEd.

I can't recall Megiddo saying he was a pastor or such.
He may have done.

The truth to me is that all of us have been called as ministers of the Gospel.

Yes I agree that if one leads a church then there is greater responsibility to a greater number of people than we who are not leaders of a church will walk alongside.

Leaders of a church are just as culpable of getting it wrong just as we are.

We all have an ugly side (well at least I do).
On this point and I will put myself out on a limb here. Would you report any of my posts that were ugly?

We are all called to to look past the ugly and see the beauty, that's what Jesus did.

We all need to stop beating each other up and somehow acknowledge that the majority on here are working to the same goal.

To be like Jesus and encourage each other to do so.

Not going at you brother, as you know I have liked a lot of what you have said.

Bill

I appreciate this Bill and there are times I have been very emotional and ugly here...we all have...and those that won't own that...it is frustrating....but typical....so I will say to this thread, I am sorry for being emotional and ugly...

Brother Ed...
I am not angry or vengeful you did what you felt led to do....let me offer this, not as validation for what you perceived is ugly and emotional about certain posts of mine.....but a general statement...

What may look to some as ugly and emotional and not fit for a minister, to others might look like truth in love...and applaud that a minister today has the boldness and love for people to call people out acting in their flesh...

The degree to which reproof, rebuke, correction, council, and equipping is dealt upon someone, is measured in accordance to the spiritual maturity....or spiritual age...of that person, but the motive is always love...

To be candid and honest there are few today that could not ever work with the Apostle Paul, because he withstood people to their face and called them out for acting out in their flesh and relied on Holy Spirit to show him all things and to perform such things in love...

I am not saying this about you and what you did.....Another candid truth about the church today, especially in the USA, is that we have gone so far overboard in our grace theology, that people have really no idea what true reproof, rebuke, correction, council, equipping and maturing someone in love really entails...

When your kids were little and they tried to touch a hot stove....you did not quote 1 Cor 13 to them and softly and gently pull them away from the stove.....you acted boldly and urgently to keep them safe from getting burned or worse....you probably also took disciplinary action to insure they never touched a hot stove again...nobody ever questioned your motive in applying the over-reactive things you did to protect your kid from burning themselves on a hot stove....

I know parenting today says we are smarter, better and we will just make the whole kitchen a NO-NON room.....there is something here if you really think about it....

Political & spiritual correctness has made the Church impotent and weak....

In closing this thought.....

People today want a shepherd that will guide them to the still waters and green pastures and guide them into truth, but they want it on their terms....and heaven forbid, you tell me I have to grow and mature spiritually.....and get called out for things that are not Biblical, and stop telling me what is SIN and not SIN...and hey....you mind your own business and I am working it with God on my own....how dare you preach, teach, exhort reproof, rebuke, correction, council, equip and mature me in deep truth and not in superficial spiritual feel good motivational speeches....that take 3 points and 22 minutes to deliver, so we can go back to worship...and speak into my life truth about something the Lord sees in my I need to crucify!?!?.....blank you preacher man.....we are going somewhere else....Then the enemy blows a breeze that send them to their knees and they have nothing in them.....

Truly called, validated, appointed, sent and anointed shepherds today must do the same to the flock, that we did to our kids with the stove...sometimes at first blush there seems to be no love...but this is because people do not understand that a shepherd has to love you, than maybe you love yourself and a shepherd has to take his staff prod and even smack you to be more than the sheep or lamb you are called to be......and this is because the church today is deaf, dumb and blind to the fact that Truly called, validated, appointed, sent and anointed shepherds with the Spirit leading them can read your mail...and it is their job to read that mail, rip off the things that are hindering you, remove the wool and empower you to be everything God has called you to be and do...and the level of spiritual age determines how you administer and grow an individual, but it is always done with love as the motive....because as you state we are held to a higher standard and that means more than being accountable for teaching/preaching and proclaiming correct doctrine...

If God has placed someone under my care and I do not help grow them into what God has called and wants to send them to be.....the lives they touch could be lost....

You see at the end of the day it is not me....ever...

It is about my fruit bearing their fruit and their fruit bearing their fruit and I am not going to give the account one day and be found lacking, because people wanted me to bend to their will and not what God's will for them should be....

Guys like me are not popular and are often times attacked, but it is ok...I am laying up treasure in heaven and for everyone that attacks, because they refuse to grow up...God gets the increase and fruit of 3 that go out and bear fruit and they bear fruit....

 

[Magenta]

I best get off here. Will be back later. Have a great afternoon, morning, evening wherever you all are.

You too, Stonesoffire! God bless you

 

[Meggido]

Am not questioning what you are saying here...but can you produce those statements? I came into this later than others. And if true...we could hash them out with scripture. But, not by offense. Even if others offend, we can choose how we respond.

I say this in respect for DCON....
Ask DCON....When you ask him, he will tell you and he will produce scripture to back up his position....you then can compare scripture for scripture with him...Some of us have exhausted that...

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I say this in respect for DCON....
Ask DCON....When you ask him, he will tell you and he will produce scripture to back up his position....you then can compare scripture for scripture with him...Some of us have exhausted that...

i feel you there...

i posted many verses in the polygamy thread

seems like those who are for it use little to no scripture to try to voice their beliefs

never refuting the abundance of scripture against polygamy...

but after awhile if they dont accept inspired scriptures.... repeating the same verses over and over obviously isnt going to help

 

[preacher4truth]

i posted many verses in the polygamy thread

seems like those who are for it use little to no scripture to try to voice their beliefs

never refuting the abundance of scripture against polygamy...

but after awhile if they dont accept inspired scriptures.... repeating the same verses over and over obviously isnt going to help

People don't believe in the sufficiency of Scriptures. Most on here will not accept correction when proven wrong. Then the same many just use Scripture out of context to support their beliefs. This becomes their tradition, and we all know that tradition is hard to break.

WoF believers for instance, a heresy built off of inherent faith ideologies.

Free Grace Theology, built off of the false dichotomy of believer/disciple, rejection of evidence of conversion, rejection of Christ as LORD over His redeemed, false free will notions, rejection of holiness as a necessary evidence, and an overblown OSAS system.

And The Works gospel, simply a Neo-Judaistic cult, rejecting the finished work of Christ as completing man, exalting man above Scripture, assisting Christ in saving them. It is the actual fall from grace Paul warned about in Galatians &c.

 

[BeyondET]

People don't believe in the sufficiency of Scriptures. Most on here will not accept correction when proven wrong. Then the same many just use Scripture out of context to support their beliefs. This becomes their tradition, and we all know that tradition is hard to break.

WoF believers for instance, a heresy built off of inherent faith ideologies.

Free Grace Theology, built off of the false dichotomy of believer/disciple, rejection of evidence of conversion, rejection of Christ as LORD over His redeemed, false free will notions, rejection of holiness as a necessary evidence, and an overblown OSAS system.

And The Works gospel, simply a Neo-Judaistic cult, rejecting the finished work of Christ as completing man, exalting man above Scripture, assisting Christ in saving them. It is the actual fall from grace Paul warned about in Galatians &c.

As well as the Calvinist doctrine, there nothing wrong with faith it doesn't need reforming at all it just needs to be practiced by the believer.

 

[dcontroversal]

Jesus called Judas the son of perdition, meaning he was doomed to destruction.

Do you not believe Him?

And a devil, thief and unclean....

 

[dcontroversal]

These type of questions serve no purpose it seems only tempting... because the Messiah also said this:

Matthew 16

21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


and we believe all things the Messiah said.

We were also doomed before we Repented and believed.

His name is Jesus...do you have a problem calling Him by his name?

 

[dcontroversal]

Stop being so so high minded you and I were filthy sinners without Faith in the Messiah. By the Grace of GOD and nothing else..

GOD knows all things indeed..

but all condemned and only believing in the Son of GOD can save us.

If if you think you betrayed not the Messiah then you are mistaken..


He was on the cross for your sin as much of the rest of us....

If not then we are dead In our sin.

Judas Repented himself and took the money back.. He came to believe.

She could easily say, "Stop being blind to the truth" .....we were chosen in him before he cast down the world knowing full well who would believe and trust by faith......

 

[dcontroversal]

Do you believe Judas was saved? A simple yes or no will suffice.

After much tap dancing haha.......Son of Perdition, a devil, a thief, not clean.....ummmm I vote probably lost......

 

[dcontroversal]

One minute you say one thing and the next you deny it and then again repeat it and yet again deny it. It is worth noting.

Such are the workers for.....inconsistent through and through..........like....we don't push a working for dogma, but you can lose it and must do something to keep it....

 

[TruthTalk]

Brother. Since you hold yourself out as a Pastor or such, and since you have numerous times disregarded loving correction in applying 1 Corinthians 13, I sadly felt the need to report several of your ugly posts.

I know others may have said ugly things to you, but by presenting yourself as a minister, you should be held to greater responsibility.

Please don't react in anger and vengeance, but prayerfully consider if what I say is true.

Hi PennEd, please excuse me for just for one moment; I hope you included these ugly posts;

stop yammering your gums and provide a list.. Post #32262

You both are chronic malignant narcissist bullies that have to lie about people and what they say in order to remain the smartest people on the whole board.....you both need to stop - Post #32261

Only someone with serious anger management issues and on a quest to steal, kill and destroy someone would revert to digging up past posts to use against another, you should seek help...#32033

This is not your board, not your thread and not your little kingdom....here is a piece of advice that might really help you...
Go to Home Depot, buy a ladder....set it up.....and get over it. (Kill myself?) - Post #31733

Reckon I'm the next person on Meggido's attack list.

God bless!

 

[dcontroversal]

you and DCON need to compile a list of those who have stated we are sinless and perfect...

I have never stated this or that my works save me...on that note, please also compile a list of those who say their works saved them....

You both are chronic malignant narcissist bullies that have to lie about people and what they say in order to remain the smartest people on the whole board.....you both need to stop

Everyone who states you must have works, or can lose it and must do something to maintain it teaches a cafe blend working for dogma......end of story.....anymore names you have for us? List them and send them to a mod pal!

 

[dcontroversal]

A poster asked you 3x what you do for the Lord and you divert to this?

I answered or are you blind.....oh wait.....that is self evident by the vanilla dogma you push hahahahha

 

[dcontroversal]

Hi Dcon,


This isn't really correct. He didn't push works at all. God warned Cain that sin was crouching at his door and he must master it. How does one do that, but by faith. Cain could have cared less about following after God. He did not come up with a works-based religion.


He kind of did what was required, but without faith. It would be like parents requiring their children to go to church. They sing, they go to Sunday school and etc. But they don't like God and they are doing what they do because it's required of them.


So no, Cain did not try to follow God by good works or he never would have murdered his brother. He totally was an evil wicked man.

Sure he did..read Genesis again...he offered the works of his hands and not blood......

 

[dcontroversal]

Hi Magenta,

You may disagree and that's fine.

Cain did not PUSH a works based belief system which is what Dcon said. He was not teaching anything to anyone.

He went through motions required of him without a care for God and with faith only in Himself.

Call him what you will, but he did not PUSH a works based belief system.

To stay at home with his family he went through motions like any child would because their parents required them to go to church. There's no evidence of Cain pushing anything but his own wicked evil heart and his hate for God.

Read Jude....false teachers are compared to three men...CAIN IS FIRST ON THE LIST....... <----HE OFFERED THE WORKS OF HIS HANDS

 

[dcontroversal]

I thought Dcon was speaking of allegorically shown to begin with Cain. It's how I took it anyway.

Jude, under inspiration compares false teachers to three me...Cain is first on the list....Cain offered the works of his hand frim the cursed ground with no faith directed at the blood......WORKS