The Rapture

[Muzungu256]

Chilton has hopped on the trendy Revelation = Destruction Of Israel cashcow.

Everything I publish is free. I am not in it for the buck.

sekkluud mon u publish something? are u a pastor?

 

[Locutus]

i've been reading this book by david chilton about the book of revelation i think its great.

Good for you Muzungu, Chilton became a Full Preterist before he died - but you will find some good schtuff in his books.

 

[J7]

and then he saw the light

 

[Locutus]

Once it is realized the reason they are first fruits it is clear to the reader.

Pssst,time of gentiles finishes with the rapture and subsequent beheading of those left behind.

Enter the time of God's gathering the Jews. Rev 14.
(first fruit 144k,followed by the harvest by Jesus with a sickle sitting on a cloud.)

Pssst, yer got it wrong, the tribes were being harvested during the days of the apostles:

James 1:1 James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings.

He ain't writing to chopped liver.....

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Put me back on ignore popeyes....

 

[J7]

sekkluud mon u publish something? are u a pastor?

I've had to stop writing due to certain vicissitudes, but hopefully I will be able to return to it soon, and then I will say farewell to the forum, as it is not a learning environment. I used to use it to pick up insights, but, like Bitcoin, the mining effort now far outweighs the return.

 

[Muzungu256]

I've had to stop writing due to certain vicissitudes, but hopefully I will be able to return to it soon, and then I will say farewell to the forum, as it is not a learning environment. I used to use it to pick up insights, but, like Bitcoin, the mining effort now far outweighs the return.

Are u a pastor/what church do u teach at ??

 

[Allenbee]

So...according to all the conflicting views, isn't the proof in the pudding ?

So... God and Jesus, created the earth, AND as ONE said...it's GOOD.
GOOD...do you get that ?

Then man was made in HIS image, but different to all other creation that serve God with no free will, and STILL everything produces food FREE ! Works so well.

Now man was made with a choice...the knowledge of good or bad... to be like God.
THESE ones who love His creation and think it's GOOD... well they are approved of and will ensure God's WILL for earth...forever. So they can live forever. Simple huh !!!

However... today we have greedy pigs that corner off HIS creation-for wealth... while the majority suffer !!!
These ones FAIL... and will be destroyed.
The rich enslaving the poor.

Now according to preterit's...to hell with God's creation and the earth...we going to heaven !!!
THAT my friend... is exactly what SATAN wants to do .

So... we all know about this evil spirit appearing as an "angel of light"... right !!!

Voices from God...right ?

Show me ANY past "voices from God" that have come true ? NONE...ALL false Christs.
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The tent of GOD will be with MANKIND.

That now is GOD'S WILL ... since creation.

SHARE the earth, tend it and have in loving subjection all animals and all creation. AND it is... GOOD.
NOBODY...can be richer than that.

Think its primitive ?
Excuse me... GOD did not use Internet, or PAY for airtime to communicate ! Nor will HIS earthly righteous.
GOD DID NOT fly in steel jets or rockets... Nor will we... as we travel the earth and it's heavens.

So...that's the TRUTH and it's beautiful.
The Kingdom of God on earth, as we join GOD'S universal Kingdom.

Worth dying for ?
Thank you Lord Jesus...thank you.
Come Lord Jesus...come.

 

[Locutus]

I just received a book out of the US, "The Millennium: Past, Present of Futures - A biblical defense for the 40 year transition Period" by Joseph Vincent - hoping to get some good insights with this.

https://www.amazon.com/Millennium-Present-Biblical-Defense-Transition/dp/1937501086

 

[jtp022]

There is no nice way to say this but, you are just looking at the world and making vague connections to the biblical text. With this method you can come to all sorts of conclusions, in fact you can make the text say whatever you want.

True. However, I didn't go into great detail for the purpose of people not reading a lengthy post. I do believe that God gives us signs and He talks to us in a Divine way, so when I read Scripture and then look at the world that's just how I sometimes translate it. I look at what's going on today and look at what God showed Daniel and I think "wow, that could be the what God was talking about."

Also, I know that the text is translated in many different ways, so I try not to get caught up in my own thoughts too much because I like to hear what other Christians or Jews have to say.

Godspeed!

 

[heartofdavid]

If this happens at the end, would they still be first fruits u see?

They are firstfruit Jews.

The stinging scorpions are ordered not to harm them.

 

[heartofdavid]

and then he saw the light

You can not make a case for your theory.

I suspect that is why you attack us personally.

 

[heartofdavid]

I've had to stop writing due to certain vicissitudes, but hopefully I will be able to return to it soon, and then I will say farewell to the forum, as it is not a learning environment. I used to use it to pick up insights, but, like Bitcoin, the mining effort now far outweighs the return.

Translation: "I go personal,therefore I burn out"

 

[J7]

You can not make a case for your theory.

I suspect that is why you attack us personally.

I've shown you many things HoD, but your mind is set. You attacked me personally long before I ever retaliated. But hey, I am used to the general low levels of faith, sincerity, bible study, willingness to learn, willingness to realize that one - you, me, anyone - might just be another sucker on the line.

 

[J7]

Translation: "I go personal,therefore I burn out"

Well, you carry on translating everything into toxic idiocy. You do a great job with the bible, so I'll take it as high praise that you are giving me the same treatment.

 

[Allenbee]

Yes... some do go to heaven as Kings and priests...the bride. Our rulers chosen by God.
A RULER and KING cannot exist without subjects. (You cannot all be Kings and Priests...please !!!).
So thank God us Jesus freaks on earth have something to look up to at last, as CHRIST RULES, and HE picks HIS bride.
You cannot say you are the bride. What is this...a Greek wedding !!!


So happy are us earthly who need a thousand years to come right. Oh yes...happy we are to be invited to the wedding.


We all know God and Jesus and angels and approved ones are in heaven , and we all know God made man to live on earth.
So...we CANNOT all go to heaven, BUT we can bring heaven to earth by OBEYING God.
So are our sins forgiven, as we learn good and bad and choose...GOOD.

The first appearance of Jesus was humble and on a donkey.
The second appearance is the warrior on a war horse. who will smite the EVIL of the earth.

So today our lord's second coming is WAR against EVIL, and so this too is what the Jews expected then, but is before us now, and this too is the "greater prophet" expected by Islam.

Bottom line; The RIGHTEOUS will inherit the earth.

That is the mystery of GOD.

 

[Allenbee]

"OTHERS... NOT calling on my name I will call".

The great tribulation; "and EVERYONE will have to know...that I AM YHWH".

Thank you my Lord.

 

[VCO]

Yes sir I was born and raised a farm boy and still live on a mini farm today. I was brought up with with horses, cows, pigs, chickens and a mule. I drove tractors cropped tobacco and picked produce. I can skin a buck and I can run a trot line.

Seeing Jesus presented himself as KING on a donkey, I think I would rather ride into battle with his choice of horse breed. Maybe after you get through explaining to God why Daniel 9:27 is the antuchrist, you can tell him that he should have picked a stronger breed of horse lol.

Daniel did not call Him King, he called him Messiah the Prince.


Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV)
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
and the people of{Roman Army} the prince{LEADER} that shall come shall
destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he ☝ shall confirm
the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week
he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


THERE IS NOTHING TO EXPLAIN, I AM READING IT EXACTLY AS IT WAS WRITTEN. LOOK AT IT IN YOUNG"S LITERAL TRANSALTION, that word prince LITERALLY means LEADER:


Daniel 9:26-27 (YLT)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he hath strengthened a covenant with many--one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'



Yes, I too was raised on a Farm in Nebraska, and did everything you did. Even ran setlines for Snapping Turtles, and the biggest one I ever caught was 25 pounds. But I never considered a donkey to be a horse.

 

[garee]

Garee, you just don't get it nor do you have the ability to discern between what is literal and what is spiritual or symbolic!

God writes out the prescription so that we then can follow the loving commandment as a law to rightly divide his interpretation to us the Bible. By it we seek His approval. Of our own self you are correct we have no ability to see or hear the spiritual things of God which he has prepared for us.

The context of any given scripture should be considered first. Just because "a thousand" means something in one scripture, does not mean that it has the same meaning everywhere else in scripture.

Purpose first . I would think the first thing would be proper prescription from the doctor of our souls is needed to understand the mysteries of God that he does hide in parables as to the spiritual understanding.(The gospel)

That prescription should be taken in a full dose as the wisdom of God the kind of wisdom he hides from natural man Seeing without parables/proverbs Christ spoke not to the multitude. This is a mixture of believers and non-believers And it includes the historically true parables that God used to bring the good news beforehand in respect to the suffering of Christ. Like the Exodus from Egypt pointing to the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world or the parable using Abraham and Isaac to represent the unseen work of the Father and the Son of God working together as one. .We do not know Christ after the rudiments of this world. We walk by faith the unseen

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

There is nothing in Rev.20:1-7 that would infer applying symbolism/spiritualism to the words "a thousand years" which is mentioned six times.

Not if look to the literal context. There is nothing in that parable that does not signify as a sign the things not seen.Its what parables do reveal the unseen spiritual ...hiding it from those who walk by sight

We walk by faith the unseen

Six times a thousand years represents an unknown number the faith principle. God puts no value in numbering men . David caused a great suffering because he disobeyed. One can chase and put a thousand (all)to flight.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The book of Revelation is signified using the things seen the temporal to reveal as a sign the things not seen, the eternal gospel hid in parables. Signs point towards the unseen as shadows; they are not the substance hoped for. All the saints died not having received that promise our new bodies.

Looking at Rev. 20: 1-7 What does a key represent using a literal key to represent a unknown ? What is the unknown?

I would think it represent the loosening authority of the gospel that the gates of hell could never prevail against. And what does a bottom less pit signify? And how a do we apply the principle of 2 Corinthians 4:18 when it comes to a literal chain?

Can a literal chain bind a lying spirit that has no form? or is it the authority of the key to bind the lying spirit ( strong man) until the captives ( Christians as inward Jews born of God ) are set free?


And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.Mar 3:26

Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:Mar 5:3

Its the gospel that loosens and binds.

What would a literal soul without a head signify ? A literal soul without a head as a disembodied worker with a familiar spirit?

2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

 

[garee]

Daniel did not call Him King, he called him Messiah the Prince.


Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV)
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
and the people of{Roman Army} the prince{LEADER} that shall come shall
destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he ☝ shall confirm
the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week
he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


THERE IS NOTHING TO EXPLAIN, I AM READING IT EXACTLY AS IT WAS WRITTEN. LOOK AT IT IN YOUNG"S LITERAL TRANSALTION, that word prince LITERALLY means LEADER:


Daniel 9:26-27 (YLT)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he hath strengthened a covenant with many--one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'



Yes, I too was raised on a Farm in Nebraska, and did everything you did. Even ran setlines for Snapping Turtles, and the biggest one I ever caught was 25 pounds. But I never considered a donkey to be a horse.

The Father (King) leads his son (prince )as one God recognized by two attributes.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.................. Always were never a twinkling of the eye were two gods as spirits (plural) .

God is not a man as us . He remains without mother and father, beginning of Spirit life or end thereof as our eternal High Priest continually .

It all one work of one faith or labor of love, the faith of God. The father draws as a King the Son as the Prince raises.(one work)

Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.Joh 6:43

 

[PlainWord]

I just received a book out of the US, "The Millennium: Past, Present of Futures - A biblical defense for the 40 year transition Period" by Joseph Vincent - hoping to get some good insights with this.

https://www.amazon.com/Millennium-Present-Biblical-Defense-Transition/dp/1937501086

Let me know if you want me to sign a copy for you.