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Revelation says the nations of them that are saved shall walk in the light of it. Saved means saved from death, i.e. In an immortal body.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 

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Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
 

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This is my question as well, how would the kings of the earth be able to bring their tribute into an orbiting city? Now lets all agree that it comes down from heaven all the way.
John sees visions in Revelation. John is in the spirit. John is shown things in heaven and on earth. For each vision John paints a picture of what he saw (a picture is worth a 1000 words).

In Rev 21 John tells us what the new Jerusalem is, we don't have to guess.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I, John,saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

First, who is the Bride which he is calling "New Jerusalem?"

2 Cor 11: For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

John then goes on using a bunch of NT teachings which describe the Church and/or the blessings bestowed upon the church.

Revelation is all about the destruction of Jerusalem, Israel, the Law and her adulterous relationship with pagan Rome up until this point. Until 70 AD, the world viewed Israel as the nation with a most powerful God. Many countries like Egypt, Assyria and Babylon faced the wrath of their God and the word spread throughout the known world. The temple in Jerusalem was considered to be the most holy place on earth, where the God of Israel lived. New Christians residing outside of Israel in the new churches were being taught a "new way" where they could be included in this amazing new "kingdom" which would replace the old earthly kingdom about to be destroyed.

This new kingdom, the new Jerusalem, would be infinitely more grand, more powerful, stronger, richer and more ornate than any kingdom built by man. This new Jerusalem, described as a "city" is 1,500 miles in each direction making it as big as half the United States. The walls were made of jasper and the city is made of pure gold. Can you even imagine the value of this new kingdom? This is why we have two parables in Mt 13 which echoes John's description:

The Parable of the Hidden Treasure

[SUP]44 [/SUP]“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.

The Parable of the Pearl of Great Price

[SUP]45 [/SUP]“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, [SUP]46 [/SUP]who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

In first century terms, this new city is beyond anyone's wildest dreams. Who wouldn't trade everything they owned on earth to obtain such a valuable prize? All I can say is please try to not limit yourself to earthly, carnal, physical thoughts as so many of our friends on CC do. Instead live in the spirit seeing spiritual, eternal things which are far more colorful, grand and valuable. Our carnal friends see only in black and white. We see in living color.

 
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why isnt it considered spiritual to believe that the new jerusalem is a real city with real dimensions? i think its real, why does it make me not spiritual?
 

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Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Reminiscent of 1 Cor 6:

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [SUP]10 [/SUP]nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
u know some people were considered righteous for "making a lie", or withholding information? remember da spies in jericho. i guess it depends on the situation if a life is at stake. or u are protecting the righteous from da wicked.
 

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why isnt it considered spiritual to believe that the new jerusalem is a real city with real dimensions? i think its real, why does it make me not spiritual?

Because you are considering it as a visible, future event, way off into the future and not applicable in your life time. Many believe this to be at least 1,000 years away, after the so-called millennium. They totally have missed the boat not realizing that the kingdom is now ours. We don't belong to this corrupt, dirty old planet, we belong to that city of Rev 21, right now!!

Lk 17:
He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; [SUP]21 [/SUP]nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

If you belong to Christ, you are in this kingdom right now!!! You are a new creation, a new creature, a new man. You are eternal. You will not face "death" (i.e. separation from God). The grand, powerful, rich beyond richest city exists RIGHT NOW. Take hold of it, embrace it. Take comfort that you belong to an eternal fraternity of incredible power and wealth that nothing on this earth can harm you. We are Sons of God!! Let's act like it.

All the world's carnal leaders, the kings and presidents and the mega wealthy who do not know God, they act like they have it all figured out. They act like they have the world beat and that they control their own destiny. They have focused on things that moths and rust destroy and thieves break in and steal. When they die, they lose everything, literally and spiritually. We, on the other hand, gain everything and so it is now. We belong to the spiritual new Jerusalem, not some future come to earth Jerusalem, not some future man-made third temple as some would have us believe.
 

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@snoozy

Abraham lied, Jacob lied.

Lying on oath, or lying about God, are probably more in view here
 
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u know some people were considered righteous for "making a lie", or withholding information? remember da spies in jericho. i guess it depends on the situation if a life is at stake. or u are protecting the righteous from da wicked.
Another one is the Hebrew midwives lied to pharaoh.

In most instances the moral of the story is it is OK to lie to the devil....LOL
 

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why isnt it considered spiritual to believe that the new jerusalem is a real city with real dimensions? i think its real, why does it make me not spiritual?
Snoozy, you are in good company since spiritual Abraham -- the friend of God (James 2:23) -- looked for a city which has foundations, whose Builder and Maker is God (Hebrews 11:10). Anyone who denies that the New Jerusalem is an actual heavenly city shows that he does not believe God, and without faith it is impossible to please Him.
 

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AHW this is old hat to me, I've been taught that from the beginning of my Christian walk and WHEN I started reading the bible for myself I realized it was bogus and couldn't be farther from the truth.

I'm going to show you from the bible - Jesus riding on a white horse, wearing a crown, with a bow, going forth conquering and to conquer.

Jesus on the white horse:

John 12:13-15 KJV
Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord. [14] And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written, [15] Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

Jesus wearing a crown:

Matthew 27:29 KJV
And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!


The battle bow:

Zechariah 9:10 KJV
And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

Conquering and to conquer:

Hebrews 10:12-14 KJV
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; [13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. [14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Christ did all of this PERFECTLY FULFILLING Reveleation 6:2. Can you show me the same types of scripture that says "The Antichrist" did do or will do all of those things? Maybe just one verse that shows "The Antichrist" riding any kind of horse or wearing any kind of crown?

I'm looking for bible proof, not your opinion please.
Those scriptures that you provided are just misapplied. They have nothing to do with the first seal rider, which his revealing is future by the way. You have a very strange and unorthodox way of interpreting scripture.

I showed you the difference between the two riders, the rider of the first seal being a counterfeit and the rider on the white horse in Rev.19:11-21 being the Lord, and you didn't believe that, even with the comparison right in front of you.

behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
Forgive me, but the above is laughable that you would even try to compare a young donkey to a white horse. The rider on the white horse has nothing to do with Jesus riding into Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey.

And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head,
You are trying to force the first seal as something that has already taken place, when it is a future event which initiates the coming wrath of God. It represents the emergence of the antichrist. This is why I showed you a comparison of the two riders and their differences. The opening of the first seal is yet to take place and therefore this is another reason why this cannot be about Christ riding into Jerusalem, alone with that ridiculous claim of the donkey representing the white horse.

You need to unlearn what you have been taught, because everything that you have presented is completely wrong. I have been studying Revelation and end-time events for over 40 years and I guarantee you that what you are claiming is false on most every topic.

Can you show me the same types of scripture that says "The Antichrist" did do or will do all of those things? Maybe just one verse that shows "The Antichrist" riding any kind of horse or wearing any kind of crown?
I already showed you that in the comparison. He is the one who is given authority to make war with the saints and to conquer them. Compare these two:

" and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest"

"Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and conquer them"

The first seal rider is given a crown, while Christ as the rider on the white horse has many crowns

One of yours and many other reason for error, is not understanding that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are yet to come. They, along with the plagues of the two witnesses, is how God is going to dispense his wrath. After the church has been removed from the earth and that rider on the white, the antichrist, is revealed, then the wrath of God will commence and will be in operation during that entire seven years with Christ returning to the earth to end the age.

The very fact that we are now seeing people being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand, the very fact that this technology has been introduced, should put to rest the idea that the mark of the beast is anything but literal. People are already using it to make purchases. The fact that you are seeing this and that it is apart of the last day events which occur during the reign of the beast, should tell you that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are future events.

Christ did not fulfill Rev.6:2 because it hasn't happened yet and Christ is not the rider who is in view.

By the way, none of this is my opinion, but is from cross-referencing and comparing scripture throughout the years.


You need to get the idea out of your head that end-time events have already taken place at the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. If you continue in this belief and teaching, you will be in for big surprise when God's wrath does begin.

Everything from Revelation 4 onward are future events.
 

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Revelation says the nations of them that are saved shall walk in the light of it. Saved means saved from death, i.e. In an immortal body.
Before one can be saved from death one must be saved from Hell and be regenerated. So let's not change the meaning of "saved" as presented in Scripture (Acts 16:30,31).
 

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Snoozy, you are in good company since spiritual Abraham -- the friend of God (James 2:23) -- looked for a city which has foundations, whose Builder and Maker is God (Hebrews 11:10). Anyone who denies that the New Jerusalem is an actual heavenly city shows that he does not believe God, and without faith it is impossible to please Him.
Morning Nehemiah6,

It seems these days that Satan and the powers of darkness, have been able to deceive people on just about every Biblical truth. It is amazing to me that with so much detail that is given regarding the new Jerusalem that people continue to interpret it as not being a literal, future city.

Symbolism, as I'm sure that you are aware of is the symbolic representing what is literal. Using the parable of the weeds and wheat as an example: sower = Christ, field = the world, good seed = the sons of the kingdom, weeds = sons of the devil, harvest = end of the age, etc., etc. That said, in order for the new Jerusalem to be symbolic, every detail mentioned regarding the city would have to have a literal counterpart.

It is amazing to me the ability of the enemy to actually get people to ignore the information given as being a literal future city, while ignoring the face value information that is given. It blows my mind man! And they actually try contend for their symbolic interpretation. We are truly experiencing and have been experiencing the following:

"For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
 
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Those scriptures that you provided are just misapplied. They have nothing to do with the first seal rider, which his revealing is future by the way. You have a very strange and unorthodox way of interpreting scripture.

I showed you the difference between the two riders, the rider of the first seal being a counterfeit and the rider on the white horse in Rev.19:11-21 being the Lord, and you didn't believe that, even with the comparison right in front of you.



Forgive me, but the above is laughable that you would even try to compare a young donkey to a white horse. The rider on the white horse has nothing to do with Jesus riding into Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey.



You are trying to force the first seal as something that has already taken place, when it is a future event which initiates the coming wrath of God. It represents the emergence of the antichrist. This is why I showed you a comparison of the two riders and their differences. The opening of the first seal is yet to take place and therefore this is another reason why this cannot be about Christ riding into Jerusalem, alone with that ridiculous claim of the donkey representing the white horse.

You need to unlearn what you have been taught, because everything that you have presented is completely wrong. I have been studying Revelation and end-time events for over 40 years and I guarantee you that what you are claiming is false on most every topic.



I already showed you that in the comparison. He is the one who is given authority to make war with the saints and to conquer them. Compare these two:

" and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest"

"Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and conquer them"

The first seal rider is given a crown, while Christ as the rider on the white horse has many crowns

One of yours and many other reason for error, is not understanding that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are yet to come. They, along with the plagues of the two witnesses, is how God is going to dispense his wrath. After the church has been removed from the earth and that rider on the white, the antichrist, is revealed, then the wrath of God will commence and will be in operation during that entire seven years with Christ returning to the earth to end the age.

The very fact that we are now seeing people being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand, the very fact that this technology has been introduced, should put to rest the idea that the mark of the beast is anything but literal. People are already using it to make purchases. The fact that you are seeing this and that it is apart of the last day events which occur during the reign of the beast, should tell you that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are future events.

Christ did not fulfill Rev.6:2 because it hasn't happened yet and Christ is not the rider who is in view.

By the way, none of this is my opinion, but is from cross-referencing and comparing scripture throughout the years.


You need to get the idea out of your head that end-time events have already taken place at the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. If you continue in this belief and teaching, you will be in for big surprise when God's wrath does begin.

Everything from Revelation 4 onward are future events.
Kinda funny how nothing works for the historical view.
 

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Wow. Why is it that sophistry always gets the likes?

Regeneration and salvation from death are one and the same thing numbnuts.

As for 'hell', please define exactly what you are talking about.


Before one can be saved from death one must be saved from Hell and be regenerated. So let's not change the meaning of "saved" as presented in Scripture (Acts 16:30,31).
 

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The problem with this discussion from our futurist friends is the assumption that John's revelation was written around 95 AD.

This is a screen shot from E.W. Bullinger's book, in which he quotes the heading to the Syriac version of John's Apocalypse which states:

"The Revelation, which was made by God to John the Evangelist, in the island of Patmos, to which he was banished by Nero the Emperor"

This was previously mentioned by Mr. Plainus-wordus, but was generally ignored.





Link to Bullinger's book on google books:


https://books.google.ca/books?id=My...VAhUS9WMKHSs3BFMQ6AEIMTAC#v=onepage&q&f=false

Bullinger based on this and the internal evidence advocates an early date for the writing of the book of revelation even though he was an ultra-dispensationalist.

How this affected his theology I have no idea.
 

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[h=1]When Was the Book of Revelation Written?[/h][FONT=&quot]BY WAYNE JACKSON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Traditionally, the book of Revelation has been dated near the end of the first century, around A.D. 96. Some writers, however, have advanced the preterist (from a Latin word meaning “that which is past”) view, contending that the Apocalypse was penned around A.D. 68 or 69, and thus the thrust of the book is supposed to relate to the impending destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A few prominent names have been associated with this position (e.g., Stuart, Schaff, Lightfoot, Foy E. Wallace Jr.), and for a brief time it was popular with certain scholars. James Orr has observed, however, that recent criticism has reverted to the traditional date of near A.D. 96 (1939, 2584). In fact, the evidence for the later date is extremely strong.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In view of some of the bizarre theories that have surfaced in recent times (e.g., the notion that all end-time prophecies were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70), which are dependent upon the preterist interpretation, we offer the following.[/FONT]
[h=2]External Evidence[/h][FONT=&quot]The external evidence for the late dating of Revelation is of the highest quality.[/FONT]
[h=3]Irenaeus[/h][FONT=&quot]Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.[/FONT]
[h=3]Clement of Alexandria[/h][FONT=&quot]Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical HistoryIII.23).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time.[/FONT]
[h=3]Victorinus[/h][FONT=&quot]Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote:[/FONT]
When John said these things, he was in the island of Patmos, condemned to the mines by Caesar Domitian. There he saw the Apocalypse; and when at length grown old, he thought that he should receive his release by suffering; but Domitian being killed, he was liberated (Commentary on Revelation 10:11).
[h=3]Jerome[/h][FONT=&quot]Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said,[/FONT]
In the fourteenth then after Nero, Domitian having raised up a second persecution, he [John] was banished to the island of Patmos, and wrote the Apocalypse (Lives of Illustrious Men 9).
[FONT=&quot]To all of this may be added the comment of Eusebius, who contends that the historical tradition of his time (A.D. 324) placed the writing of the Apocalypse at the close of Domitian’s reign (III.18). McClintock and Strong, in contending for the later date, declare that “there is no mention in any writer of the first three centuries of any other time or place” (1969, 1064). Upon the basis of external evidence, therefore, there is little contest between the earlier and later dates.[/FONT]
[h=2]Internal Evidence[/h][FONT=&quot]The contents of the book of Revelation also suggest a late date, as the following observations indicate.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The spiritual conditions of the churches described in Revelation chapters two and three more readily harmonize with the late date.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The church in Ephesus, for instance, was not founded by Paul until the latter part of Claudius’s reign: and when he wrote to them from Rome, A.D. 61, instead of reproving them for any want of love, he commends their love and faith (Eph. 1:15) (Horne 1841, 382).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yet, when Revelation was written, in spite of the fact that the Ephesians had been patient (2:2), they had also left their first love (v. 4), and this would seem to require a greater length of time than seven or eight years, as suggested by the early date.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Another internal evidence of a late date is that this book was penned while John was banished to Patmos (1:9). It is well known that Domitian had a fondness for this type of persecution. If, however, this persecution is dated in the time of Nero, how does one account for the fact that Peter and Paul are murdered, yet John is only exiled to an island? (Eusebius III.18; II.25).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The doctrinal departures described in Revelation would appear to better fit the later dating. For example, the Nicolaitans (2:6, 15) were a full-fledged sect at the time of John’s writing, whereas they had only been hinted at in general terms in 2 Peter and Jude, which were written possibly around A.D. 65-66.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Persecution for professing the Christian faith is evidenced in those early letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor. For instance, Antipas had been killed in Pergamum (2:13). It is generally agreed among scholars, however, that Nero’s persecution was mostly confined to Rome; further, it was not for religious reasons (Harrison 1964, 446).[/FONT]
[h=2]Arguments for the Early Date Answered[/h][FONT=&quot]In the absence of external evidence in support of an early date for Revelation, preterists generally rely on what they perceive as internal support for their view.[/FONT]
[h=3]Writing Style Differences[/h][FONT=&quot]It is contended that the Gospel of John has a much smoother style of Greek than does the Apocalypse. Thus, the latter must have been written many years prior to the fourth Gospel—when the apostle was not so experienced in the literary employment of Greek.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In answer to this argument, we cite R. H. Gundry:[/FONT]
Archaeological discoveries and literary studies have recently demonstrated that along with Aramaic and Hebrew, Greek was commonly spoken among first century Palestinians. Thus John must have known and used Greek since his youth (1970, 365).
[FONT=&quot]B. B. Warfield contends that:[/FONT]
the Apocalypse betrays no lack of knowledge of, or command over, Greek syntax or vocabulary; the difference lies, rather, in the manner in which a language well in hand is used, in style, properly so called; and the solution of it must turn on psychological, not chronological, considerations (Schaff and Herzog 1891, 2036).
[FONT=&quot]R. H. Charles, author of the commentary on Revelation in the International Critical Commentary series, and perhaps the greatest expert on apocalyptic literature, regarded the so-called bad grammar as deliberate, for purposes of emphasis, and consistent with the citation of numerous Old Testament passages (Gundry, 365). It might be noted that in the 404 verses of Revelation, Westcott and Hort’s Greek New Testament gives over five hundred references and allusions to the Old Testament.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Finally, as McClintock and Strong point out:[/FONT]
It may be admitted that the Revelation has many surprising grammatical peculiarities. But much of this is accounted for by the fact that it was probably written down, as it was seen, “in the Spirit,” while the ideas, in all their novelty and vastness, filled the apostle’s mind, and rendered him less capable of attending to forms of speech. His Gospel and Epistles, on the other hand, were composed equally under divine influence, but an influence of a gentler, more ordinary kind, with much care, after long deliberation, after frequent recollection and recital of the facts, and deep pondering of the doctrinal truths which they involve (1064).
[h=3]No Mention of Jerusalem’s Destruction[/h][FONT=&quot]It is claimed that Revelation must have been penned before A.D. 70 since it has no allusion to the destruction of Jerusalem; rather, it is alleged, it represents both the city and the temple as still standing.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In response we note the following points.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]First, if John wrote this work near A.D. 96, there would be little need to focus upon the destruction of Jerusalem since the lessons of that catastrophe would have been well learned in the preceding quarter of a century.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However, it must be noted that some scholars see a veiled reference to Jerusalem’s destruction in 11:8, where “the great city,” in which the Savior was crucified (Jerusalem), is called Sodom—not merely because of wickedness, but due to the fact that it was a destroyed city of evil (Zahn 1973, 306).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Second, the contention that the literal city and temple were still standing, based upon chapter eleven, ignores the express symbolic nature of the narrative. Salmon says that it is:[/FONT]
difficult to understand how anyone could have imagined that the vision represents the temple as still standing. For the whole scene is laid in heaven, and the temple that is measured is the heavenly temple (11:19; 15:5). We have only to compare this vision with the parallel vision of a measuring-reed seen by Ezekiel (ch. 40), in which the prophet is commanded to measure—surely not the city which it is stated had been demolished fourteen years previously, but the city of the future seen by the prophet in vision (1904, 238).
[h=3]Nero Associated with 666[/h][FONT=&quot]Some argue for an early date of the Apocalypse by asserting that the enigmatic 666 (13:18) is a reference to Nero. This is possible only by pursuing the most irresponsible form of exegesis.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]To come up with such an interpretation one must:[/FONT]

  1. add the title “Caesar” to Nero’s name;
  2. compute the letter-number arrangement on the basis of Hebrew, whereas the book was written in Greek; and
  3. alter the spelling of “Caesar” by dropping the yodh in the Hebrew.
[FONT=&quot]All of this reveals a truly desperate attempt to find a reference to Nero in the text.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Additionally, Leon Morris has pointed out that Irenaeus discussed a number of possibilities for deciphering the 666, but he did not even include Nero in his list, let alone regard this as a likely conjecture (1980, 38). Noted critic Theodor Zahn observed that Nero was not even suggested as a possibility until the year 1831 (447).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In view of the foregoing evidence, a very strong case can be made for dating Revelation at about A.D. 96. Accordingly, the theory of realized eschatology, which is grounded upon the necessity of the Apocalypse having been written prior to A.D. 70, is shown to be without the necessary foundation for its successful defense, to say nothing of the scores of other scriptural difficulties that plague it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][h=6]REFERENCES[/h]
  • Gundry, R. H. 1970. Survey of the New Testament. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
  • Harrison, Everett. 1964. Introduction to the New Testament. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
  • Horne, Thomas H. 1841. Critical Introduction to the Holy Scriptures. Vol. 2. Philadelphia, PA: J. Whetham & Son.
  • McClintock, John and James Strong. 1969. Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker.
  • Morris, Leon. 1980. The Revelation of St. John. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
  • Orr, James, ed. 1939. International Standard Bible Encyclopedia. Vol 4. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
  • Salmon, George. 1904. Introduction to the New Testament. London, England: John Murray.
  • Schaff, Philip and Johann Herzog. 1891. Schaff-Herzog Encyclopaedia of Religious Knowledge. Vol. 3. New York, NY: Funk & Wagnalls.
  • Zahn, Theodor. 1973. Introduction to the New Testament. Vol. 3. Minneapolis, MN: Klock and Klock.

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[FONT=&quot][h=6]SCRIPTURE REFERENCES[/h]Ephesians 1:15; 1 Thessalonians 5
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[FONT=&quot][h=6]CITE THIS ARTICLE[/h]Jackson, Wayne. "When Was the Book of Revelation Written?" ChristianCourier.com. Access date: August 24, 2017. https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1552-when-was-the-book-of-revelation-written
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