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The message that is being revealed now is the mind of Christ. We are near the rising of the glory filling the earth.
[h=3]Sprouts From The Tree of Life[/h]
2Cor 3:18. But we all, with open face be holding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
A Fall Shoot is one that is born out of time
Leaves have fallen to earth,
trees are barren and dry..
Foretold promise now springs forth in life
Cool winds start their blowing
Dry leaves through the air
Senses wake to a fresh scent
Perfumed sweet and rare
But why would one pick this time
My heart questions...
Why not in Spring when all others are blooming?
Why choose a time when the plantings are dying?
A time that can only be shortened by
cold?
This is the season of newness in showing
My Sprout has been hidden from all others view
I've given the promise of it's re appearing
My Child look to earth, for the right time's drawing near.
It was Paul who said that he was as one"born out of time". Paul longed for this day that is now coming fast upon us. We are being prepared for this "day". It is important how we See!
We are called the "planting of the Lord,
that He may be glorified". This is found in both Isaiah 60:21 and Isaiah 61:3.
But, what is He saying here?
Let's look at the natural that we might see the supernatural.
Sprouts. What is the sprout of a tree, and it's process?
A sprout is the seedling that results from an asexual means of reproduction, that produces a plant that is genetically identical to its par
We are the sons of God, born of Spirit, identical to Father, for He is Holy, and they, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One. Identical
How then do we become the same? By propagation.
Plants have the amazing ability to duplicate all parts and functions of the parent plant. By taking a leaf or stem and creating the right conditions, an entirely new plant comes forth.
Yeshua ha Meschiah is the tree of life, and we being born of another nature, which is Holy, and spirit, or of no gender, we too are born of Him.
As we see our connection both in Him as heavenly, and realize our position on earth is not reality, but only temporary..we will become deeply rooted in Him, which as He said, His truth, way, life. And this reality which is heavenly, will overtake that which is earthly...producing Him once again on this earth.
Father...gives us eyes of faith to see Son!
Do you think I understood this when I received it? Not at all. But, now is a different time.
It's the time of this scripture:
Christ's Example of Humility
Php 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Php 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Php 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
I will say this one thing and then be quiet. Have to go somewhere.
The sheep will huddle together in a storm.
The Sons will face it and command it be gone.
[h=3]Sprouts From The Tree of Life[/h]
2Cor 3:18. But we all, with open face be holding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
A Fall Shoot is one that is born out of time
Leaves have fallen to earth,
trees are barren and dry..
Foretold promise now springs forth in life
Cool winds start their blowing
Dry leaves through the air
Senses wake to a fresh scent
Perfumed sweet and rare
But why would one pick this time
My heart questions...
Why not in Spring when all others are blooming?
Why choose a time when the plantings are dying?
A time that can only be shortened by
cold?
This is the season of newness in showing
My Sprout has been hidden from all others view
I've given the promise of it's re appearing
My Child look to earth, for the right time's drawing near.
It was Paul who said that he was as one"born out of time". Paul longed for this day that is now coming fast upon us. We are being prepared for this "day". It is important how we See!
We are called the "planting of the Lord,
that He may be glorified". This is found in both Isaiah 60:21 and Isaiah 61:3.
But, what is He saying here?
Let's look at the natural that we might see the supernatural.
Sprouts. What is the sprout of a tree, and it's process?
A sprout is the seedling that results from an asexual means of reproduction, that produces a plant that is genetically identical to its par
We are the sons of God, born of Spirit, identical to Father, for He is Holy, and they, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One. Identical
How then do we become the same? By propagation.
Plants have the amazing ability to duplicate all parts and functions of the parent plant. By taking a leaf or stem and creating the right conditions, an entirely new plant comes forth.
Yeshua ha Meschiah is the tree of life, and we being born of another nature, which is Holy, and spirit, or of no gender, we too are born of Him.
As we see our connection both in Him as heavenly, and realize our position on earth is not reality, but only temporary..we will become deeply rooted in Him, which as He said, His truth, way, life. And this reality which is heavenly, will overtake that which is earthly...producing Him once again on this earth.
Father...gives us eyes of faith to see Son!
Do you think I understood this when I received it? Not at all. But, now is a different time.
It's the time of this scripture:
Christ's Example of Humility
Php 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Php 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Php 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
I will say this one thing and then be quiet. Have to go somewhere.
The sheep will huddle together in a storm.
The Sons will face it and command it be gone.
GOD ALONE saves. He doesn't need your help, or even your permission, to do it.
those whom God saves are protected by His power through faith (His gift) for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last day.
thus, we prepare our minds for action, keep sober, and fix our hope completely on the grace to be brought to us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus.
let me know when you find a power greater than God's.
those whom God saves are protected by His power through faith (His gift) for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last day.
thus, we prepare our minds for action, keep sober, and fix our hope completely on the grace to be brought to us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus.
let me know when you find a power greater than God's.
I agree.
I believe our Father is revealing Christ to those whose hearts are towards Him. Those that have been truly born again but beat up in life and by religion too.
He is revealing the true love and grace He has for them in Christ's finished work.
Let's have these that are coming to rely on Him to be met at the door by the Father and not the judgmental, condemning older brother who didn't know the heart of the Father for His children.
There is truth to what you are saying here. And I truly believe we as children of God grow and mature as this truth becomes more and more evident to us by revelation of the Holy Spirit. The truth I'm referring to is that we should no longer regard ourselves as ANYTHING but God's children through the new creation we have become because of Jesus.
I think what many are trying to relate, is just their incredible awe that God was willing to become a human and die for us. We look at what we were, and we look at our stumbles even now, and we run back to Him in reverent (fear) awe, love and gratitude. I think most here understand that we are a new creation. But I understand, and agree with you that reverent awe shouldn't devolve into feelings of guilt, shame, or condemnation. That is NOT from our Heavenly Father.
I think what many are trying to relate, is just their incredible awe that God was willing to become a human and die for us. We look at what we were, and we look at our stumbles even now, and we run back to Him in reverent (fear) awe, love and gratitude. I think most here understand that we are a new creation. But I understand, and agree with you that reverent awe shouldn't devolve into feelings of guilt, shame, or condemnation. That is NOT from our Heavenly Father.
I agree with this - except for the sheep part huddled together in a storm and the sons commanding it to be gone. We can both be at the same time a sheep and a son/daughter commanding the desires of the Lord to be done in situations.
The sheep will be with the Lord at the end of the age. I think you are confusing analogies of us being His sheep with son-ship. I do agree with the need for us to grow in the awareness of our son-ship. All of creation is waiting for this manifestation to happen.
Have a great day!
The sheep will be with the Lord at the end of the age. I think you are confusing analogies of us being His sheep with son-ship. I do agree with the need for us to grow in the awareness of our son-ship. All of creation is waiting for this manifestation to happen.
Have a great day!
I always think that James was basically saying if you say one thing but act completely differently, you are showing that you don't really believe what you are saying.
But...you can't really take one verse alone and come up with a rounded understanding, because we sometimes do the thing we desperately don't want to do, but then we do it anyway, as Paul said, proving that in our heart and mind, we agree with God about what is good but our flesh is weak.
But...you can't really take one verse alone and come up with a rounded understanding, because we sometimes do the thing we desperately don't want to do, but then we do it anyway, as Paul said, proving that in our heart and mind, we agree with God about what is good but our flesh is weak.
p4t - this is where you are mistaken.
Those who claim there is no moral code in Christ, are simply saying there are no limits before God.
This is a binary idea. Now the lie is to go from theology to culture and say murder is obviously
wrong. The point is no, nothing is obvious, you need to define morality.
It is why Hitler murdered Jews and Christians with no problem, because he redefined morality
by the racist supremacy. That became his morality.
Relativism is a simple mistake, which shows itself with the response "how dare you suggest I am
immoral" which translates to I am evil and wrong. But this is what immorality is, but of course the
immoral will never agree, else they will need to then repent.
There are too many here who are totally compromised which is demonstrated by this blind
arrogance. Too rightly it will be judged.
And I know this is not even an argument, because the words spoken demonstrates the heart.
Those who claim there is no moral code in Christ, are simply saying there are no limits before God.
This is a binary idea. Now the lie is to go from theology to culture and say murder is obviously
wrong. The point is no, nothing is obvious, you need to define morality.
It is why Hitler murdered Jews and Christians with no problem, because he redefined morality
by the racist supremacy. That became his morality.
Relativism is a simple mistake, which shows itself with the response "how dare you suggest I am
immoral" which translates to I am evil and wrong. But this is what immorality is, but of course the
immoral will never agree, else they will need to then repent.
There are too many here who are totally compromised which is demonstrated by this blind
arrogance. Too rightly it will be judged.
And I know this is not even an argument, because the words spoken demonstrates the heart.
as usual, just saying that folks are saying behavior does not matter, with no quotes from anyone, just because you do not like how things are written.
oh, and hitler was influenced by the writings of Martian Luther about jews. if you have not read what Luther said , later in his life, about what should be done to jews, read it. and look at what the Nazis did.
I see what you're saying. 
I saw it exactly like that too. Even recently. But there's a push and pull in there that one day made no sense to me any more.
I thought: how could I BOTH be trusting Him to grow my trust and simultaneously fearing He might not and then I would not endure and would be lost.
And I saw that only after many years of seeing that He never once had failed to keep growing my faith by pointing out to me places where I actually was in unbelief or mistrust and then another struggle would begin to get rid of the doublemindedness on the particular matter. I don't want to say it's like clockwork but...it seems that no sooner do I get through one struggle to the other side, sound in it, than another struggle begins after a space of rest and peace.
So...I just said one day, where does this fear and mistrust that I could be cut off for unbelief come from? Has He done anything other than grow my faith by these matters He leads me into? And so I didn't think He was deserving of that fear and mistrust because I had only ever seen Him keep me safe and growing.
I saw it exactly like that too. Even recently. But there's a push and pull in there that one day made no sense to me any more.
I thought: how could I BOTH be trusting Him to grow my trust and simultaneously fearing He might not and then I would not endure and would be lost.
And I saw that only after many years of seeing that He never once had failed to keep growing my faith by pointing out to me places where I actually was in unbelief or mistrust and then another struggle would begin to get rid of the doublemindedness on the particular matter. I don't want to say it's like clockwork but...it seems that no sooner do I get through one struggle to the other side, sound in it, than another struggle begins after a space of rest and peace.
So...I just said one day, where does this fear and mistrust that I could be cut off for unbelief come from? Has He done anything other than grow my faith by these matters He leads me into? And so I didn't think He was deserving of that fear and mistrust because I had only ever seen Him keep me safe and growing.
just an expression, I have not contacted a mod, but given the heat of this thread and the fact the OP continues to badger, harass and bully those he disagrees with and others attempt to tear people down other people by sugar coating their motives and then they all project a calm attitude when a mod does show up, I was merely expressing that it would not be surprising a MOD does show up...
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Here is a big issue I have, and people may take this many ways, but this is show I see it.
When I am given a new believer to help disciple or Sheppard in his new life. I first take him to the basics o the gospel to help him understand, why they needed saved, What God's had planned all along to do to in his goal to restore man to himself. What God actually did, the meaning of the cross, and make sure they understand what it is they have done by choosing to place their faith in Christ.
Once I am sure they understood this, I next talk about what it is they now have in christ as the basis for who they are and what it will take to help them grow
1. I will tell them What God says about them, They are redeemed, they have been bought with a price, They have been justified, they have been born again, What do all these things mean. That God has perfected them forever, and is now in the process of sanctifying them, That God has begun a good work in them, and he promises to complete it until the day of Christ, That they have eaten from the food which endures forever, and have Gods assurance they will never die, never hunger and thirst (need to know what is the meaning of life) That you have eternal life, You will live forever, and you have gods assurance he will raise you on the last day. That you were dead, but now are alive, You where gods enemy, now you are Gods beloved child. That you were not given a spirit of fear, but of peace love and a sound mind, A spirit of adoption whereby we call out abba father, Take him to all the places like eph 1 where we are shown our inheritance as sons of God. How God will never leave us or forsake us, That even if we walk away, God will leave everything and come to bring us back, Because he is the good Sheppard. and we as sheep know his voice, and will follow. because he will guide us back.
Tell him as John said, it is the knowledge that we have eternal life which is the basis for our continued faith in him, and we need to take the promises of God, memorize them and put them in our heart because the evil one is going to try to take those away from us, so that when trial and tribulation and suffering comes, we lose faith and struggle mightily
Then, we have some here that want me to say after all this, After saying, God will finish what he started, he has perfected you, He will never let you fall.. Now, if you do not abide and grow, you will be cut off and cast into hell, You will lose salvation, you will forfeit your eternity
I am sorry, its bad enough that as a mature believer who would hear these things, I would ask, what about all yu just spent all these weeks telling me about what I have in christ, Now your saying this?
But as a new babe in christ. what would I think? Everything you just spent weeks telling me us nonsense, how can I trust you when you tell me all those things, and now just contradicted yourself and made me doubt God. If God will never leave or never fail, and will finish his work, how could I fall away? Hw could he let me fall, if he promised to never let me fall to begin with?
This is legalism 101, it takes away from God, and places the onus on self. Forgive me if I refuse to tell a child of God yes, God hod promised all these things, But then again, You better watch out, because you can fall away, even though he promised he would never let you.
When I am given a new believer to help disciple or Sheppard in his new life. I first take him to the basics o the gospel to help him understand, why they needed saved, What God's had planned all along to do to in his goal to restore man to himself. What God actually did, the meaning of the cross, and make sure they understand what it is they have done by choosing to place their faith in Christ.
Once I am sure they understood this, I next talk about what it is they now have in christ as the basis for who they are and what it will take to help them grow
1. I will tell them What God says about them, They are redeemed, they have been bought with a price, They have been justified, they have been born again, What do all these things mean. That God has perfected them forever, and is now in the process of sanctifying them, That God has begun a good work in them, and he promises to complete it until the day of Christ, That they have eaten from the food which endures forever, and have Gods assurance they will never die, never hunger and thirst (need to know what is the meaning of life) That you have eternal life, You will live forever, and you have gods assurance he will raise you on the last day. That you were dead, but now are alive, You where gods enemy, now you are Gods beloved child. That you were not given a spirit of fear, but of peace love and a sound mind, A spirit of adoption whereby we call out abba father, Take him to all the places like eph 1 where we are shown our inheritance as sons of God. How God will never leave us or forsake us, That even if we walk away, God will leave everything and come to bring us back, Because he is the good Sheppard. and we as sheep know his voice, and will follow. because he will guide us back.
Tell him as John said, it is the knowledge that we have eternal life which is the basis for our continued faith in him, and we need to take the promises of God, memorize them and put them in our heart because the evil one is going to try to take those away from us, so that when trial and tribulation and suffering comes, we lose faith and struggle mightily
Then, we have some here that want me to say after all this, After saying, God will finish what he started, he has perfected you, He will never let you fall.. Now, if you do not abide and grow, you will be cut off and cast into hell, You will lose salvation, you will forfeit your eternity
I am sorry, its bad enough that as a mature believer who would hear these things, I would ask, what about all yu just spent all these weeks telling me about what I have in christ, Now your saying this?
But as a new babe in christ. what would I think? Everything you just spent weeks telling me us nonsense, how can I trust you when you tell me all those things, and now just contradicted yourself and made me doubt God. If God will never leave or never fail, and will finish his work, how could I fall away? Hw could he let me fall, if he promised to never let me fall to begin with?
This is legalism 101, it takes away from God, and places the onus on self. Forgive me if I refuse to tell a child of God yes, God hod promised all these things, But then again, You better watch out, because you can fall away, even though he promised he would never let you.