Sabbath

[Grandpa]

His Testament.

So you know that you cannot justify your work at the law and claim His Grace simultaneously.

I should have known you couldn't answer.

 

[Grandpa]

So you know that you cannot justify your work at the law and claim His Grace simultaneously.

I should have known you couldn't answer.

I was actually having the thought that I shouldn't correct you either, if you were wrong.

I was hoping that you knew. But suspecting that you didn't.

 

[Dan_473]

we do not teach against the law, we establish it!

Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid:

yea, we establish the law.

 

[loveme1]

I have learned from the Lord.

That is how I know a Judaizer when I see one.

They twist scripture back and forth to justify their emulation of the children of disobedience. Rejecting Grace and calling it "obedience". Its a pretty old scam. Probably why Paul spends so much time refuting it.

Paul refutes not the obedient children of GOD.. he refutes those who reject the New wine preferring the Old.

if you believe we are not believers because we adhere to the Teaching of the Messiah then you can.. but accuse Paul not of those things because you misunderstand him.

 

[loveme1]

So you know that you cannot justify your work at the law and claim His Grace simultaneously.

I should have known you couldn't answer.

You can impose these ideas but it is not i but you that seek the answer... Do I know anything without Grace and Mercy?

 

[loveme1]

I was actually having the thought that I shouldn't correct you either, if you were wrong.

I was hoping that you knew. But suspecting that you didn't.

if my guilt is my obedience to my Lord and Saviour then I stand accused by you.

 

[loveme1]

we do not teach against the law, we establish it!

Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid:

yea, we establish the law.

Read it all my dear..

 

[Grandpa]

if my guilt is my obedience to my Lord and Saviour then I stand accused by you.

If you were obedient then there could be no accusation.

If you work at the law you have rejected Grace. If you have died to the law you have embraced Grace. You are under law or you are under Grace.

Black/White. True/False. No mixture. No confusion. No double-mindedness.

 

[unobtrusive]

So you know that you cannot justify your work at the law and claim His Grace simultaneously.

I should have known you couldn't answer.

In some Christian religions, there is much discussion about the law on the one hand, and grace on the other. It’s a battle between law and grace. The Old Testament was about law, and the New Testament is about grace. Actually, law and grace aren’t opposites, they don’t collide with each other, and they don’t cancel each other out. They actually go together. It’s really law and grace. In fact, the law, the set of rules, the instruction, is actually a part of grace.

Grace, favour, love, and the law are all from the same God. For any of these to oppose the other would have to come from a double minded Saviour. Personally, I cannot follow a double minded God, or any other doctrine that endorses a double minded Saviour. When reading the Bible in the manner that it is given, we should know that our Savour gave the law to Israel because of His grace. Read Colossians chapter one. Jesus is the creator of all things, and He is also our Saviour. The end, the fulfilment, not a replacement differing from His own Father.

 

[JaumeJ]

Did you know that Pilate wanted to be assured that his sign in three languages was put above Christ's Head on the cross?

The sign reads........."Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews." I hope all will be His subjects,.

I realize you , ike omany others have no idea what Judah means, or what Paul says when he teaches who is a true Jew, but if your idea of Judaizer is making others as much like Jesus Christ, then I am a Judai9zer. However if you mean putting myself and others, what you call, "Under the law.," then I am afraid you hav enot learned, not from Jesus and definitely not from Paul

They called my Master far worse than judaizer. Paise Jesus Christ, amen.

I have learned from the Lord.

That is how I know a Judaizer when I see one.

They twist scripture back and forth to justify their emulation of the children of disobedience. Rejecting Grace and calling it "obedience". Its a pretty old scam. Probably why Paul spends so much time refuting it.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is only a battle if people do not understand the difference between obeying God under grace and being "under the law."

Jesus lived and taught exactly what the law is today and how it is to be applied. With the infilling of the Holy Spirit all who love God
know exactly what to obe6y, first bcaue Jesus was quite plain about it, ut most important is the cofirmation by the witness and teachong further by the Holy Spirit.

When the Holy Spirit entered into me, besides the great thrill of my first time experiencing what love is, God, I also was given a gift of indignation for what dogmas and dctirens of man around the globe have fabricated bout Jesus Christ.

I am not happy when people believe being obedient chidlren of God is to be interpreted as being under the law, but worse is just how deceived so many are.

I know I am not perfect. I know the work God bgan in me on Good Friday 1969 will only be accomplished byu Him in me and completed on the great Day of th Lord to come. None of ths impels me to not want to be as much as was my Example as I am given to be able, and where I fail, and I do and will, I have grace.

Jesus said (tomy heart als) believe that I am the Son of God and you will be saved! How much more grae can anyone expect, so everyone, behav e yourselves,.k You expect children here to obey their parents, so, obey God. HIs commandments ar3e not the result of stupidityi.

In some Christian religions, there is much discussion about the law on the one hand, and grace on the other. It’s a battle between law and grace. The Old Testament was about law, and the New Testament is about grace. Actually, law and grace aren’t opposites, they don’t collide with each other, and they don’t cancel each other out. They actually go together. It’s really law and grace. In fact, the law, the set of rules, the instruction, is actually a part of grace.

Grace, favour, love, and the law are all from the same God. For any of these to oppose the other would have to come from a double minded Saviour. Personally, I cannot follow a double minded God, or any other doctrine that endorses a double minded Saviour. When reading the Bible in the manner that it is given, we should know that our Savour gave the law to Israel because of His grace. Read Colossians chapter one. Jesus is the creator of all things, and He is also our Saviour. The end, the fulfilment, not a replacement differing from His own Father.

 

[Dan_473]

Read it all my dear..

I did,
it was a blessing --

Psalms 119:97 O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day!

 

[Dan_473]

Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psalms 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psalms 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psalms 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

 

[loveme1]

If you were obedient then there could be no accusation.

If you work at the law you have rejected Grace. If you have died to the law you have embraced Grace. You are under law or you are under Grace.

Black/White. True/False. No mixture. No confusion. No double-mindedness.

You refer to works of the Old Testament.. the Keeping of the Commandments of GOD are seperate because of Grace... it is not mixing Old and New wine.. because one came by Moses and the other by the Messiah. If the Messiah taught not the Commandments were to be kept or the Royal law then you would have a valid point.. but He taught it we believe it... you can speak to the unbelieving who are not justified by Faith.. which would be those Keeping the Old Testament... of works.

You base all your points on writings that are not teaching against the Commandments of GOD.

I can see where your belief stems from.. yet I can not make you believe and you can not make me unbelieve.

 

[Grace777x70]

The 10 commandments are as much part of the law of Moses as the sacrificial system. They all speak of Christ Himself. He fulfilled the whole law.

Paul in Romans 7:7 said that coveting is in the law so unless "coveting" got kicked out of the 10 commandments for getting caught coveting - it is a part of the law.

God said that the Old Covenant which He made with Israel after coming from Egypt ( which the 10 commandments were a part of ) is not like the New Covenant.

We don't need to live by the moral code in the law of Moses which says in Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with a animal. The law of Christ Himself , the law of love, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will stop this.

People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses including the 10 commandments anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now.

We do have laws in the New Covenant.

They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) Thelaw of liberty in Christ Jesus ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ Himself in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.


Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such there is no law.

We are saved by His life - not by the law. The law is not of faith. The just shall live by faith.

 

[Bogadile]

To sabbath or not to sabbath.

I bet all the unbelievers are excited to know that Christians have debated for 141 pages about a day of the week. Let that sink in.

Lets play a trivia, which one of these is the Gospel?:

[FONT=&quot]1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures"

or:

Remember to keep the Sabbath

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[loveme1]

Guys you can not say you have Grace not law then proceed to propose you do have a law in Christ... you have the Law of liberty.... Royal law... law of Faith.... GOD's law..

Does not the King of Kings give you this law? All verses are affirm to the law... GOD said a New Covenant where His law would be wrote on our heart... does this not pertain to the Testimony of the Messiah?

 

[loveme1]

To sabbath or not to sabbath.

I bet all the unbelievers are excited to know that Christians have debated for 141 pages about a day of the week. Let that sink in.

Lets play a trivia, which one of these is the Gospel?:

1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures"

or:

Remember to keep the Sabbath

So then we should adhere to the Messiah's Testimony on that Truth.

 

[Bogadile]

So is our eternal destiny dependant on a week day or not?

It would seem odd that Paul forgot to mention the Sabbath to the gentile Churches he was writing to. Oops! He did mention it once, lets see what it says shall we?

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."

 

[loveme1]

So is our eternal destiny dependant on a week day or not?

It would seem odd that Paul forgot to mention the Sabbath to the gentile Churches he was writing to. Oops! He did mention it once, lets see what it says shall we?

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."

The same Bible you refer to Paul from contains the Messiah's Testament...