The Rapture

[Bogadile]

NOW if you can just GRASP that it really does say that Messiah the Prince will be cut off AFTER the 62 Weeks of years (7 Weeks + 62 Weeks = 69 Weeks = 483 years), and MESSIAH'S DEATH is long before the 70th Week ever begins, and that gap between the 69th Week and the 70th week is an unspecified number of years (the Church Age), because the subject IN DANIEAL'S PROPHECY is only "how long will GOD continue to deal ISRAEL". Therefore the 70th Week of Daniel comes AFTER the Church Age.

THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL YOU HAVE FULLY ARRIVED AT THE TRUTH.

THEREFORE THE THIRD TEMPLE IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO FULFILL THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL PROPHECY.

Certainly God would have let us know plainly if there was to be a gap between 69th week and 70th week. Especially if it is a gap of over 2000 years.

 

[iamsoandso]

THINK AGAIN, it is coming.


The answer to the riddle is really very simple in this modern era of computerized scanners.

TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST

No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

Revelation 13:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.


WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST


The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.

HERE IS THE RFID MICROCHIP TV ADVERT 100% PROOF IT IS HERE - YouTube

IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market - YouTube

Hitachi Releases 2.5mm C1G2 Durable RFID Tag: Host Louis Sirico - YouTube

Under Your SkinThe War against Freedom – Human Biochip Implant

Microchip Implants

Bio-chip implant arrives for cashless transactions

Tianhe-2 Tops Supercomputer List > ENGINEERING.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GovcXrEVCc

lol,maybe you misunderstood when I said "the mark is post DOJ" ,it means I (don't believe) it was fulfilled before the DOJ or during the DOJ but is future...

 

[J7]

NOW if you can just GRASP that it really does say that Messiah the Prince will be cut off AFTER the 62 Weeks of years (7 Weeks + 62 Weeks = 69 Weeks = 483 years), and MESSIAH'S DEATH is long before the 70th Week ever begins, and that gap between the 69th Week and the 70th week is an unspecified number of years (the Church Age), because the subject IN DANIEAL'S PROPHECY is only "how long will GOD continue to deal ISRAEL". Therefore the 70th Week of Daniel comes AFTER the Church Age.

THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL YOU HAVE FULLY ARRIVED AT THE TRUTH.

THEREFORE THE THIRD TEMPLE IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO FULFILL THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL PROPHECY.

I cannot grasp fairy tales, sorry

 

[tourist]

NOW if you can just GRASP that it really does say that Messiah the Prince will be cut off AFTER the 62 Weeks of years (7 Weeks + 62 Weeks = 69 Weeks = 483 years), and MESSIAH'S DEATH is long before the 70th Week ever begins, and that gap between the 69th Week and the 70th week is an unspecified number of years (the Church Age), because the subject IN DANIEAL'S PROPHECY is only "how long will GOD continue to deal ISRAEL". Therefore the 70th Week of Daniel comes AFTER the Church Age.

THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL YOU HAVE FULLY ARRIVED AT THE TRUTH.

THEREFORE THE THIRD TEMPLE IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO FULFILL THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL PROPHECY.

Yes, one more week of Daniel's prophecy to go. Maybe it will happen next week. Only time will tell.

 

[Bogadile]

Try to put yourself in the sandals of a 1st century person. You are told that the temple is about to be destroyed, a judgment is coming. The messiah is here. All matching up with the 70th week of Daniel timeline.
You see it fulfilled, yet it was not, but you have to wait for that 2000 year gap to pass, then the temple will be built again, and then destroyed again, and then rebuilt again in the millennial kingdom.
Talk about dramatic turn of events there. Double fulfillment. (or triple!)

 

[KJV1611]

NO, IT IS A RECORDED HISTORICAL FACT THAT IT TOOK 49 YEARS TO COMPLETE. Artaxeres gave letters to Nehemiah to show the commanders of the forest lumber and rock quarries that he had the King's permission to get the SUPPLIES he needed to gather to complete the project of rebuilding JERUSALEM. It says all of that in the BIBLE, and you claim to believe the BIBLE, and yet you refuse to read it. Your dream THEOLOGY is what is FALSE, READ THE SCRIPTURES ALREADY. I POST THEM AS PROOF THAT YOUR DREAM THEOLOGY IS FALSE.

Now that's a hoot, believe a week means a week and that's dream theology lol. Again I ask you where does the say bible 7 weeks is equal to 49 years?

 

[KJV1611]

why so much hate towards dispensationalists on this forum? what is it thats so bad about dispensationalism?

I don't hate anybody, I just call a spade a spade. There's nothing more "so bad" about dispensationism than people who don't believe the KJV is the inerrant word of God... both can have those beliefs and still be saved. Same with with people who believe flesh Jews are God's chosen people - wrong but a saved person can believe this lie... I did for many years.

It comes down to growth and maturity in the Lord.

 

[KJV1611]

Revelation was written 20 years after the historicist supposed fulfillment,making it impossible .

".. What things must soon take place..."

Not; what things already took place.

Future,not historical.

I keep hearing Revelation was written after 70 AD but I can't find any sources that even know WHO wrote the book of Revelation nor when it was written with any certainty.

I think ignoring the text of the book and favoring some contrived historical dating is a huge mistake.

 

[KJV1611]

Malachi 3:1 KJV
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

What does "the messenger of the covenant" mean?

 

[Bogadile]

Malachi 3:1 KJV
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

What does "the messenger of the covenant" mean?

The New Covenant I would presume without looking into it too much. John the Baptist prepared the way for the Lord:

Matthew 3:3 "For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

 

[stonesoffire]

I keep hearing Revelation was written after 70 AD but I can't find any sources that even know WHO wrote the book of Revelation nor when it was written with any certainty.

I think ignoring the text of the book and favoring some contrived historical dating is a huge mistake.

Wasn't John told to write down the things he saw?

 

[KJV1611]

The New Covenant I would presume without looking into it too much. John the Baptist prepared the way for the Lord:

Matthew 3:3 "For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

Is the verse talking about John or Jesus?

 

[KJV1611]

Wasn't John told to write down the things he saw?

Yes, he was to write the things he saw in a vision on the Lord's day.

 

[KJV1611]

Wasn't John told to write down the things he saw?

I see what you're saying now lol. Nobody knows who John of Patmos really was.

 

[PlainWord]

Polycarp says in chapter 11(of his letter) "alone then knew the the Lord" and then goes on to say that the Church at Smyrna "had not yet know him"

So if Paul's epistle to the Phillipians is written around ad61-62 and he speaks of them to all the other Churches (who alone then knew him) and Smyrna did not yet know him then Smyrna was not a Church until "after all of the others" Paul laboured in. So Paul had already laboured in the Churches(that alone then knew him/Jesus) and after Paul's labour in the Church ended is when Polycarp states that they(Smyrna) came to knew the Lord(became a church).

Chapter 11. Expression of grief on account of Valens

I am greatly grieved for Valens, who was once a presbyter among you, because he so little understands the place that was given him [in the Church]. I exhort you, therefore, that you abstain from covetousness, and that you be chaste and truthful. Abstain from every form of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:22 For if a man cannot govern himself in such matters, how shall he enjoin them on others? If a man does not keep himself from covetousness, he shall be defiled by idolatry, and shall be judged as one of the heathen. But who of us are ignorant of the judgment of the Lord? Do we not know that the saints shall judge the world? 1 Corinthians 6:2 as Paul teaches. But I have neither seen nor heard of any such thing among you, in the midst of whom the blessed Paul laboured, and who are commended in the beginning of his Epistle. For he boasts of you in all those Churches which alone then knew the Lord; but we [of Smyrna] had not yet known Him. I am deeply grieved, therefore, brethren, for him (Valens) and his wife; to whom may the Lord grant true repentance! And be then moderate in regard to this matter, and do not count such as enemies, 2 Thessalonians 3:15 but call them back as suffering and straying members, that you may save your whole body. For by so acting you shall edify yourselves. 1 Corinthians 12:26.

Are you saying the above proves the Smyrna was not a church at the time Paul wrote to the Philippians around 61-62 AD and therefore could not have been a church by 70 AD? A lot can happen in 8-9 years. Besides, not knowing the Lord and not being a church are not necessarily the same thing. I know many churches who do not "know the Lord."

Sorry friend, this is pretty thin evidence to date Revelation after 70 AD. I wouldn't want to go to trial with this as my star piece of evidence.

 

[iamsoandso]

Chapter 11. Expression of grief on account of Valens

I am greatly grieved for Valens, who was once a presbyter among you, because he so little understands the place that was given him [in the Church]. I exhort you, therefore, that you abstain from covetousness, and that you be chaste and truthful. Abstain from every form of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:22 For if a man cannot govern himself in such matters, how shall he enjoin them on others? If a man does not keep himself from covetousness, he shall be defiled by idolatry, and shall be judged as one of the heathen. But who of us are ignorant of the judgment of the Lord? Do we not know that the saints shall judge the world? 1 Corinthians 6:2 as Paul teaches. But I have neither seen nor heard of any such thing among you, in the midst of whom the blessed Paul laboured, and who are commended in the beginning of his Epistle. For he boasts of you in all those Churches which alone then knew the Lord; but we [of Smyrna] had not yet known Him. I am deeply grieved, therefore, brethren, for him (Valens) and his wife; to whom may the Lord grant true repentance! And be then moderate in regard to this matter, and do not count such as enemies, 2 Thessalonians 3:15 but call them back as suffering and straying members, that you may save your whole body. For by so acting you shall edify yourselves. 1 Corinthians 12:26.

Are you saying the above proves the Smyrna was not a church at the time Paul wrote to the Philippians around 61-62 AD and therefore could not have been a church by 70 AD? A lot can happen in 8-9 years. Besides, not knowing the Lord and not being a church are not necessarily the same thing. I know many churches who do not "know the Lord."

Sorry friend, this is pretty thin evidence to date Revelation after 70 AD. I wouldn't want to go to trial with this as my star piece of evidence.

lol, Seems you know better when the Church at Smyrna became a church than the bishop appointed by John the apostle then...

 

[PlainWord]

Certainly God would have let us know plainly if there was to be a gap between 69th week and 70th week. Especially if it is a gap of over 2000 years.

I wonder, how long were the gaps between each of the days of creation? If we add big enough gaps we can agree with modern science and have earth be 4.5 billion years old. Or better yet, we can add gaps in the 1000 years also and make it 2,000 years. Gap adding, can help any position when done strategically. If we can add gaps, we can subtract gaps, right?

 

[PlainWord]

lol, Seems you know better when the Church at Smyrna became a church than the bishop appointed by John the apostle then...

Does Polycarp date the founding of the Church at Smyrna? If so, please send me the link. Here's a link that says it was founded during Paul's third evangelistic journey around 53-56 AD.

Smyrna (Izmir, Turkey), Mt. Pagus, Kadifekale, Alexander The Great

You have to take the preponderance of the evidence to decide if Revelation was written before, or after 70AD. There is far more evidence supporting a pre 70 AD date.

 

[PlainWord]

THINK AGAIN, it is coming.


The answer to the riddle is really very simple in this modern era of computerized scanners.

TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST

No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

Revelation 13:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.


WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST


The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.

HERE IS THE RFID MICROCHIP TV ADVERT 100% PROOF IT IS HERE - YouTube

IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market - YouTube

Hitachi Releases 2.5mm C1G2 Durable RFID Tag: Host Louis Sirico - YouTube

Under Your SkinThe War against Freedom – Human Biochip Implant

Microchip Implants

Bio-chip implant arrives for cashless transactions

Tianhe-2 Tops Supercomputer List > ENGINEERING.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GovcXrEVCc

So this chip is the mark of the beast?

[SUP]17 [/SUP]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

What if you don't have the mark, but instead you have the name of the beast, or the number of his name? According to the passage you can still buy and sell without the mark (your chip) providing you have the name or number. So, how does having the name or number debit money from your bank account without the chip?

Dang it, such a promising idea. But hey, let me help. I'll give you a clean drawing board so you can start over. What are friends for?

 

[iamsoandso]

Does Polycarp date the founding of the Church at Smyrna? If so, please send me the link. Here's a link that says it was founded during Paul's third evangelistic journey around 53-56 AD.

Smyrna (Izmir, Turkey), Mt. Pagus, Kadifekale, Alexander The Great

You have to take the preponderance of the evidence to decide if Revelation was written before, or after 70AD. There is far more evidence supporting a pre 70 AD date.

lol, ok now another guy named David Padfield says he knows better when the Church of Smyrna began than the bishop appointed by the apostle John...