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There are some vile people on this site, with twisted minds, and such confidence, confidence to defile others, or corrupt others, maybe even they are blind, or their minds so broken they do not see it. Aren't we supposed to bring purity to the table? How does one grow a garden which is an example of the beauty of purity, if you allow the weeds to grow? This site seems to allow weeds to grow. I'm not sure why. But it makes it impure.
Let us have some of the good stuff:
John 5
19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5
19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
I prayed for years before I was saved. As Scripture states, I was not looking for the One True God, but I was seeking spiritual truth. God revealed Himself to me a number of times in a number of ways. I recognized Him each time but was not convinced in my natural self that it was the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ, until I could absolutely no longer deny it. He called me out of my pagan practices and put a choice before me. It was not easy overthrowing my whole way of life and thinking to surrender to the God I had been running from the majority of my adulthood, and seeking to redefine to my liking for many years. Eventually I surrendered because no other source besides Scripture could satisfactorily answer the questions I had about what I experienced. Now I see Him for Who He has revealed Himself to be. Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
you motive in keeping this thread open is now manifested and duly noted...Being a slave to your personal PRIDE is the worst.....
You, your pride, and others can have at it all you want.....
When the thread dwindles, you guys will not be able to refrain from glorying in your victory over others....it is what pride and hypocrisy does....it glories in the flesh, which you and your boy EG have in spades....both of you admit it all the time....just sinners saved by grace and fighting the 2 natures all day, every day...yep you both do and yep you both need help...
You, your pride, and others can have at it all you want.....
When the thread dwindles, you guys will not be able to refrain from glorying in your victory over others....it is what pride and hypocrisy does....it glories in the flesh, which you and your boy EG have in spades....both of you admit it all the time....just sinners saved by grace and fighting the 2 natures all day, every day...yep you both do and yep you both need help...
He doesn't get it, and never will. The "we" refers to those elect, truly born again. When he says "The one..." (who doesn't do these things) he is referencing those who are false converts, not truly converted and lost.
It is not then about believers at that point with some kind of warning of;"You better start doing this if you want to go to heaven!!!" That teaching rejects the finished work of Christ and places salvation in the hands of men. No man would ever make it into His kingdom under those demands.
But that is the sense in which Stephen63 is contorting the Word of God to make it mean what he wants it to mean, unfortunately.
Nevertheless the "we" and "they" comparisons of 1 John contrast the true convert with the false. It is a series of descriptions of these two different persons.
Then 1 John 5:13 is written and applicable to those who pass the tests of conversion, and bear the fruit of being truly born again, as per his inspired epistle and its intent.
It is not then about believers at that point with some kind of warning of;"You better start doing this if you want to go to heaven!!!" That teaching rejects the finished work of Christ and places salvation in the hands of men. No man would ever make it into His kingdom under those demands.
But that is the sense in which Stephen63 is contorting the Word of God to make it mean what he wants it to mean, unfortunately.
Nevertheless the "we" and "they" comparisons of 1 John contrast the true convert with the false. It is a series of descriptions of these two different persons.
Then 1 John 5:13 is written and applicable to those who pass the tests of conversion, and bear the fruit of being truly born again, as per his inspired epistle and its intent.
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LOL
Take a break?
The fun is just getting started!
compose myself and salvage some dignity?
What dignity? I have dignity?
YOU told me I'm a shamless flirt. NOW I have dignity? What gives.
See. You should have been nice to me before.
How could I have ANY DIGNITY when I've been begging to see Dcon all evening.
I mean, he's one mean guy. He should have been here double quick when a gal as nice as me is begging for him.
He must be another one of them there hater types.
And you think I'm hurt??
That's a good one.
You think people here could HURT ME?
Hey, I don't even know you. I don't live with you.
My husband could hurt me.
My kids could hurt me.
A good friend could hurt me.
But someone on a thread?
Capisci?
Not a chance!
And sweetie, I'm not here to persuade you.
There are currently 57 persons reading this thread.
I post for THEM.
And I DO HOPE they understand what's going on here.
I do hope they understand about sarcasm.
Some here do not.
AND WHERE'S DCON???
Take a break?
The fun is just getting started!
compose myself and salvage some dignity?
What dignity? I have dignity?
YOU told me I'm a shamless flirt. NOW I have dignity? What gives.
See. You should have been nice to me before.
How could I have ANY DIGNITY when I've been begging to see Dcon all evening.
I mean, he's one mean guy. He should have been here double quick when a gal as nice as me is begging for him.
He must be another one of them there hater types.
And you think I'm hurt??
That's a good one.
You think people here could HURT ME?
Hey, I don't even know you. I don't live with you.
My husband could hurt me.
My kids could hurt me.
A good friend could hurt me.
But someone on a thread?
Capisci?
Not a chance!
And sweetie, I'm not here to persuade you.
There are currently 57 persons reading this thread.
I post for THEM.
And I DO HOPE they understand what's going on here.
I do hope they understand about sarcasm.
Some here do not.
AND WHERE'S DCON???
Relax my brother, it was never stated that you said his fruit was bad. Not sure where you're getting that, maybe from hanging in the BDF Not of Works thread?
The thief preached Christ, that is one good work of his on the cross. Obviously in betwixt his deriding of Christ and his great confession he was regenerated by God. He made it plain he feared God, the beginning of wisdom. He believed in his just punishment for personal sin. He showed repentance and its fruits. He made an apologetic speech for the Christ. He preached the sinlessness of Christ. He believed in the eternal kingdom of Christ.
The thief preached Christ, that is one good work of his on the cross. Obviously in betwixt his deriding of Christ and his great confession he was regenerated by God. He made it plain he feared God, the beginning of wisdom. He believed in his just punishment for personal sin. He showed repentance and its fruits. He made an apologetic speech for the Christ. He preached the sinlessness of Christ. He believed in the eternal kingdom of Christ.
you can take this or leave it to.. adam and eve where in the garden and got disconnected but still had the chance to come back.. as why else would he cloth them..
what you sugest here has nothing to with what i was thinking about.. he clothed them coz he saved them..
Are Adam and Eve saved, though? Can you show me the Scripture?
