The Rapture

[KJV1611]

I never knew God couldn't translate his word into all languages. Do you think the holy spirit speaking at Pentecost messed that up also because of the language barrier?

@ Bogadile

See Bog I don't really believe you don't think God is INCAPABLE of translating his word PERFECTLY into all languages, you've just been taught that for so long that you've accepted is a truth.

 

[maverich]

KJV1611
i love word study, you honored me with the dispensationist title, I was given as paul said by the Grace of Jesus to know the mysteries of God
with that being said, if you are a believer you will be caught away prior to the 7 year tribulation
when Jesus recited the I have been sent msg in the temple he left off the day of the lord
the time of his wrath is not for believers,

 

[KJV1611]

KJV1611
i love word study, you honored me with the dispensationist title, I was given as paul said by the Grace of Jesus to know the mysteries of God
with that being said, if you are a believer you will be caught away prior to the 7 year tribulation
when Jesus recited the I have been sent msg in the temple he left off the day of the lord
the time of his wrath is not for believers,

Typical dispensationalist dodge - I'm SUPER SPIRITUAL and God has shown me the truth and the truth is the "The Antichrist" and the "7 year pre-tribulation rapture".... Completely dodge the question because you can't answer it.

Look, just be honest and say I have no clue what the verse means and I don't care because it doesn't fit my dispensational eschatology lol.

 

[Locutus]

 

[heartofdavid]

KJV1611
i love word study, you honored me with the dispensationist title, I was given as paul said by the Grace of Jesus to know the mysteries of God
with that being said, if you are a believer you will be caught away prior to the 7 year tribulation
when Jesus recited the I have been sent msg in the temple he left off the day of the lord
the time of his wrath is not for believers,

Yes,you are blessed,they are in error big time.

Note Jesus said in rev ".....things which must soon take place..."
Rev was written after ad 90,so,was Jesus mistaken?

Maybe he misspoke. Because the historicist says it all happened in ad 70,making rev start off totally wrong.

 

[KJV1611]

Yes,you are blessed,they are in error big time.

Note Jesus said in rev ".....things which must soon take place..."
Rev was written after ad 90,so,was Jesus mistaken?

Maybe he misspoke. Because the historicist says it all happened in ad 70,making rev start off totally wrong.

Can you show biblical proof that the book of Revelation was written in 90 AD? I mean like were the 7 churches that John wrote to in existence in 90 AD?

 

[heartofdavid]

Teach me what this verse REALLY means.

Matthew 10:23 KJV
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

I hope you are not saying the second coming has already happened.

 

[KJV1611]

I hope you are not saying the second coming has already happened.

No, I believe Jesus will come again soon.

 

[Locutus]

What make me chuckle about the dispensensationalist's getting their arses chapped over preterism is the fact that preterism in the form a-millennialism has been around for 100's of years and was embraced by the reformers that basically attributed the 2nd coming of Christ with the 1st century destruction of Jerusalem. They of course still look for a third coming at the end of history.

 

[PlainWord]

Maverich,

i promised my Father i would be nice but you are surely pushing the right buttons

That's very good of you. Maintaining composure is important when debating each other. I don't press buttons. If you are feeling your buttons being pressed, perhaps its the Spirit trying to shake you from the deceptions.

the GT has happened, so what age are we living in now

We are in "the age to come."

if the GT happpened then Satan is out and about after being chained for a thousand years

I assume you are referring to Rev 20. Being "chained" simply means he is/was prevented from deceiving the nations for a long period of time (thousand years).

the new jerusalem is in full swing

Correct. This is where the Saints dwell.

followers of Jesus are being beheaded at an alarming rate

Alarming rate? What passage do you find "alarming rate?" Muslims have been beheading Christians since the 8th century.

no one can by or sell, because of the mark of the beast

Another mis-quote. Please stay true to the text.

did i miss the great statue, that spoke and the 2 witnesses at the wall.

What? A great statue that speaks? 2 witnesses at the wall? What wall? What talking statue? Again, stay true to the text.

I think maybe you have been hitting the grape juice, and i feel bad for you to be so lost must be terrible

Friend, insults have no place in this forum. I'm actually very well studied on all these subjects. You must be among those who listen to the many false teachers who have infiltrated the church leading so many astray.

Jesus can help you, believe on the LORD JESUS and you shall be Saved

Jesus has helped me a great deal. I do believe on Him. Look inwardly dear brother as I've found that it is often those who question the salvation of others who are in most need of help. Besides, one's belief concerning eschatology does not determine one's salvation. Is this another passage you've altered?

 

[VCO]

Where do you get your science fiction? You are a disgrace to the board, and an iniquitous liar.
The Temple was rebuilt by 516 BC.
I know you Futurists shun History, but if you are going to employ it, do so honestly

What on God's green earth are you talking about. I totally agree that Soloman's Temple was rebuilt by 516 BC, the SECOND TEMPLE, and that it was Artaxeres who gave the command to REBUILD the City of Jerusalem and its Walls in 445 BC, and that project took 49 years. I WASN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE THIRD TEMPLE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE BUILT SOON.

 

[PlainWord]

Hello plainword

Thank you for your polite reply, and may I use this opportunity to trash your belief totally.
Of course if that is not possible then thank you for enlightening us all.

So...if the great tribulation is past, then our Lord has been ruling from AD 70 or so, as He appears immediately after the GT.
Lets add the 1000 year reign to that, so now we at year 1070.

You say i'm ignorant of history, so then enlighten us please how history shows "the rest of the dead did not come to life UNTIL the 1000 years ended...so thats 1070 right.

Man... what a great worldwide event I missed reading about... and no one I know told me!
Dumb bunch we are huh, seeing that "the tent of God will be with MANKIND".
MANKIND is flesh and blood. NO ONE in heaven is flesh and blood but all spirit.

So now let's see the disappearing act using..."oh they went to heaven that's why it's not in history".
Once you put your foot into that, then Satan becomes a problem...but lets hear your amusing stuff first.

(The same stuff you put your foot in actually)

Newcomers!! There are 350 some pages of explanations for all of these issues you raise. I doubt you'll take the time to read them all just as I don't have the time to respond each time a new person from a pre-trib background comes on here. Explaining everything to you would be starting back at square one. Not to offend you dear brother but the amount of re-programing you would need so that you could see the truth is astronomical and frankly, more than you could handle. Your belief system on these issues are so tangled up that it cannot be untangled. The biases you have towards your point of view is so strong that you could never again be objective. However, I'll reply briefly then ask you to go back to the Word, study each point and really pray to have your eyes opened.

Of course the Great Tribulation is in the past and of course it only applied to Israel. If the great tribulation where to be future and apply to the entire planet, how can one flee Judea to avoid it?

Mat 24: [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The great tribulation = the vengeance of those days. To escape this divine vengeance, one must flee Judea.

Luke 21: [SUP]21 [/SUP]Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

This vengeance wrath that was poured out on wicked Jerusalem of 70 AD was first told by John the Baptist in Mat 3 and Jesus repeats it in plenty of places such as Luke 19:

[SUP]43 [/SUP]For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, [SUP]44 [/SUP]and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

This is exactly how Titus defeated Jerusalem, although most Jews died at the hands of their brothers long before Titus broke through. If you don't know the history, please study it. You can start with Josephus which is on-line and available for free.

The resurrection is an advanced subject that frankly you are not ready to engage in. I can tell that you are carnally minded (as most pre-tribbers are). You think only in terms of the physical, temporal and visible things. The eternal, spiritual things are wayyyy above where you are.

First learn what the purpose of the great tribulation was for, who it was aimed at and where and when it took place. If you can get off square one, then we can continue but right now you need to start with milk. Again, not meaning to sound condescending, but it's the truth.

 

[VCO]

You're giving a perfect example of how you CHANGE the words of the bible to fit your PRECONCEIVED ideas..... You think the Jerusalem that is being built in Daniel 9 is earthly Jerasalem THEREFOR 7 weeks CANNOT be 7 weeks it must be 49 years.

If you would stop CHANGING the words of the bible then you would see it's obvious that the 70 weeks are literal and the city being BUILT isn't the earthly Jerusalem.

And you STILL did not answer my question - Where does the bible say 1 week is equal to 70 years?

NO, IT IS A RECORDED HISTORICAL FACT THAT IT TOOK 49 YEARS TO COMPLETE. Artaxeres gave letters to Nehemiah to show the commanders of the forest lumber and rock quarries that he had the King's permission to get the SUPPLIES he needed to gather to complete the project of rebuilding JERUSALEM. It says all of that in the BIBLE, and you claim to believe the BIBLE, and yet you refuse to read it. Your dream THEOLOGY is what is FALSE, READ THE SCRIPTURES ALREADY. I POST THEM AS PROOF THAT YOUR DREAM THEOLOGY IS FALSE.

 

[Locutus]

VCO still going on and on about the third temple....

 

[PlainWord]

What on God's green earth are you talking about. I totally agree that Soloman's Temple was rebuilt by 516 BC, the SECOND TEMPLE, and that it was Artaxeres who gave the command to REBUILD the City of Jerusalem and its Walls in 445 BC, and that project took 49 years. I WASN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE THIRD TEMPLE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE BUILT SOON.

The third temple was built without hands. Surely, you've read this? I know, don't call you Shirley, LOL.

 

[VCO]

No, I believe Jesus will come again soon.

AMEN for that, even though you do not believe it happens in two phases. Phase one is as Son of Man to gather his BRIDE; and Phase two as KING of Kings to make war on the NATIONS that appose HIM and JERUSALEM here on earth, and thereby setting up his earthly 1000 year KINGDOM.

 

[Locutus]

Even if they somehow build it, it won't be dwelt in by deity.

Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

The Darbymites are just clueless.

 

[Snoozy]

You sound just like the other dispensationist, you offer no verses to counter PW's claims and then accuse him of not been saved lol. PW is FAR more closer to the truth than a dispenstationalist will ever be.

why so much hate towards dispensationalists on this forum? what is it thats so bad about dispensationalism?

 

[maverich]

Typical dispensationalist dodge - I'm SUPER SPIRITUAL and God has shown me the truth and the truth is the "The Antichrist" and the "7 year pre-tribulation rapture".... Completely dodge the question because you can't answer it.

Look, just be honest and say I have no clue what the verse means and I don't care because it doesn't fit my dispensational eschatology lol.

come now if you read the posts on page 354 near the bottom, you would have seen i gave my interpetation

i see that you don't read posts, so i don't know what too say to you be blessed
i guess

 

[J7]

Thank you for this gem VCO. You have just unearthed a dirty little secret for us.

As I have been saying for a long time, Daniel's 70 weeks ended in AD 73.

The orthodox false narrative on the 70 weeks is that they ended in Jesus's Ballpark Era, (in paraphrasis).

However, this is based on dating Ezra and Nehemiah to 445BC.

Wow! How did this ever pass through the test of scholarship?

Ezra was at least 30 years old when Cyrus liberated Israel from captivity in 537BC.

So in 445BC he would have been......

at least 122 years old. (Zerubbabel likewise would have been on advanced life support).

Alarms bells ringing yet?

The 445 BC decree looks to be not only spurious, but downright dishonest. A scam.

Ezra quite clearly dates Ahasuerus / Artaxerxes to the time of Cyrus and Darius.

Ezra and Nehemiah were contemporaries, both writing in the aftermath of the release, 537BC to 516BC

Wow. I am stunned that this falsification has passed unchallenged so long. Simply stunned.

What on God's green earth are you talking about. I totally agree that Soloman's Temple was rebuilt by 516 BC, the SECOND TEMPLE, and that it was Artaxeres who gave the command to REBUILD the City of Jerusalem and its Walls in 445 BC, and that project took 49 years. I WASN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE THIRD TEMPLE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE BUILT SOON.