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what type of question is this? Seriously... you will note the Commandment part in the writings to....
Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25
See that ye refuse not him
Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Born Again to a Living Hope
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25
See that ye refuse not him
Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Born Again to a Living Hope
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We all know this. What you folks can't understand is people who are born again through faith in Christ must work or else they will be found to not have the faith that justifies on the Day of Judgment.
Why is this so hard to grasp for you?
Or maybe for sanctification. Not so much failures though repentance would bring the sprinkling of blood.
Our imperfections of humanity possibly being sprinkled on a continual basis? I don't know but it seems plausible to me. Would have to look deeper.
Our imperfections of humanity possibly being sprinkled on a continual basis? I don't know but it seems plausible to me. Would have to look deeper.
It's the phrases you are using that reveal your motives...or what is behind your teaching. You say must. That is law. I say will. Out of our heart.
Also, can you provide a scripture that says what you just said about judgement day? Not saying there isn't but it doesn't ring that bell for me.
Have you ever taught what the word BELIEVE means?
How did you explain it?
You went to Strong's and read it out loud?
Let's talk About this, yes.
But know what...I've said MANY TIMES on THIS very thread what BELIEVE means.
Just ask around if you weren't here.
NEVER got an answer, except yours.
Know why?
Because the answer does not suit those like Grace777 and MMDan and Others, even though they profess to know Greek, which of course they really don't. Not any better than anyone who goes to Strong's. Something that someone who knows the Language would laugh at.
Now. do you really want to know about believe, or are you just wasting my time?
I'm through giving away pearls that it took me a long time to learn just to have persons that know nothing about theology turn around and tell me I'm wrong.
Not because I don't want to be wrong, but because some here get guided by the Holy Spirit and have never studied.
So am I better?
No. But I AM tired of talk and the only reason I'm here now is for those reading along.
In fact I've told you how to find out about BELIEVE.
It can be a noun.
It can be a verb.
It's closely related to the word FAITH in Greek.
Faith can be a noun.
Faith can be a verb.
Did Strong's tell you all this?
Go online and learn.
It's a good thing to know.
I hear on this thread that all we have to do is BELIEVE.
Yes. So what does BELIEVE mean??
No answer. They don't like what it means.
Frankly, your statement is obtuse; "all born again...must work...or else..." You and your lame warnings and incessant contradictions.
All those who are truly born again will have works, all truly born again will have evidence of conversion. And he that began that work in them will complete it.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
Your statements are completely absurd, always contradictory and not well thought out.
Hebrews 9
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Hebrews 10
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21And havingan high priest over the house of God; 22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised 24And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21And havingan high priest over the house of God; 22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised 24And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
The above is wrong.
The aorist tense is VERY COMPLICATED and changes depending on the sentence.
You CANNOT apply it in a general way.
Ask your husband to look it up again and give it another go.
Hi all...I just want to add something about obeying God...Thursday just gone i was booked to go see my son in prison, i had been feeling quiet unwell and really drained of energy due to having type 2 diabetes, it can make you feel like that , anyway i had a headache that just would not leave me and i prayed to God to lift this from me if it was His will...Thursday morning and i woke up with just enough time to get ready and out the door, but in my mind what i really wanted to do was ring the prison and cancel the visit and dive back into bed, but God had other plans for me...Ii went out the door and caught two trains to get to prison, plus a good half hour walk to get from station to prison gates, the trains came right on time, i bought some lunch and sat in the park on a bench and enjoyed my lunch with our Lord...I was telling Him how ill i felt and He was reasurring me that all will be fine, i even had an attack of heart palpatations, but i called on Jesus and they stopped in their track, i finished my lunch and arrived at the prison and had to sit waiting for another half hour before entering the prison gates it self...The crowds were loades with children , people talking in loud voices, i just wanted to run home, but the Lord was with me...
I stood outside the visitors hall with no air condition, it was hot and clamy, i remembered Jjesus saying to visit those in prison, i wanted to obey Him and not give in to my own needs...My patience was really tested that moment i was standing for the doors to open, and when they did it was worth every minute...I saw my new born again son for the first time in a year, no longer the criminal that once was, but now a new creation in Christ...We talked about serving the Lord, and He told me about his walk, we both parted with a prayer to God to give thanks for that beautiful time...
On the way home i had to stop at the bathroom, i was feeling unwell, i was afraid i would miss my train, i had the Lords peace in me and i knew i would be fine...I got home and fell into bed, but when i looked back over the day, the Lord led me, I obeyed Him every inch through my suffering, it was all about Him, and i guess what i am trying to say is If we do not obey God and do His will, then it is fruitless, the day He had blessed my son and me with would never of happened, God reminded me through out my stuggle that day that I Can do ALL things through Him who strengthens me PRAISE the Lord...I could of ignored the Holy Spirit and cancelled that day, only God got me through, obedience is a must if we are to follow Jesus, if i did not abide in Him that day, it would feel to me as if i was not living in Him, i do know that works is part of our Salvation, i can boast of nothing from myself, when the Holy Spirit is working in you, we must obey, is it not part of the calling on our life...
Why are we given test and trials if we are not to work through them, are we not proving ourselves to God that we are Faithful and true to Him when we abide to His calling...I believe if i had chose to ignore Gods calling on me that day, then James would be right in saying to me " Faith without works is dead "...
I stood outside the visitors hall with no air condition, it was hot and clamy, i remembered Jjesus saying to visit those in prison, i wanted to obey Him and not give in to my own needs...My patience was really tested that moment i was standing for the doors to open, and when they did it was worth every minute...I saw my new born again son for the first time in a year, no longer the criminal that once was, but now a new creation in Christ...We talked about serving the Lord, and He told me about his walk, we both parted with a prayer to God to give thanks for that beautiful time...
On the way home i had to stop at the bathroom, i was feeling unwell, i was afraid i would miss my train, i had the Lords peace in me and i knew i would be fine...I got home and fell into bed, but when i looked back over the day, the Lord led me, I obeyed Him every inch through my suffering, it was all about Him, and i guess what i am trying to say is If we do not obey God and do His will, then it is fruitless, the day He had blessed my son and me with would never of happened, God reminded me through out my stuggle that day that I Can do ALL things through Him who strengthens me PRAISE the Lord...I could of ignored the Holy Spirit and cancelled that day, only God got me through, obedience is a must if we are to follow Jesus, if i did not abide in Him that day, it would feel to me as if i was not living in Him, i do know that works is part of our Salvation, i can boast of nothing from myself, when the Holy Spirit is working in you, we must obey, is it not part of the calling on our life...
Why are we given test and trials if we are not to work through them, are we not proving ourselves to God that we are Faithful and true to Him when we abide to His calling...I believe if i had chose to ignore Gods calling on me that day, then James would be right in saying to me " Faith without works is dead "...
Amen...the "perfect tense" is very revealing of the work of Christ.
Another place where the perfect tense is used is when Jesus said on the cross. "It is finished".
I suppose to some that reject Christ's eternal redemption which He obtained as Hebrews 9:12 says - this statement of Jesus would mean "It is finished unless something stronger comes around and dis-lodges what I have done here."
My goodness....why do we have so many unbelieving believers in the body of Christ?
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
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Oh. Silly me.
I just caught your last sentence.
So you think I'm doing this reductionism thing?
And you're being facetiious and asking me if I want to go deeper so you could expose me more?
Well. My previouis post to you, just now, has proven me correct once again.
You could believe that BELIEVE means whatever YOU want it to mean.
It makes no difference to me.
Those reading along can find out however. So much information on the internet these days.
What is your thought that you are sharing with these scriptures loveme1? There is a reason you posted them. We can't read your mind.