Not By Works
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Verse 3:"Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; 4Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God."
The Apostle Paul is commending their good works of faith - not the other way around. Nobody is saying to not have good works. And the Thessalonians were not pointing out to Paul how great their works were. If my wife made a terrific chicken pot pie and everybody at dinner loved her pie; she would not explain in detail how difficult it was to put this work of mine on the table; no she would graciously say thank you. The Thessalonian's put God first, their labor of love followed.
Again we are saved unto good works; not by them.
The Apostle Paul is commending their good works of faith - not the other way around. Nobody is saying to not have good works. And the Thessalonians were not pointing out to Paul how great their works were. If my wife made a terrific chicken pot pie and everybody at dinner loved her pie; she would not explain in detail how difficult it was to put this work of mine on the table; no she would graciously say thank you. The Thessalonian's put God first, their labor of love followed.
Again we are saved unto good works; not by them.
Not really seeing your point... I have said nothing of your above... but if it pushes something then.. your entitled..
p.s the horse could push the cart... draw no comparison.. I'm talking about the horse and cart only.
J
how did saul later named paul,speak well of Jesus alongside his disciples despite before hand murdering Jesus's followers in churches?
he didn't believe yet Jesus chose him as a vassal,nothing is impossible,if you look into the bible God/Jesus has chosen some of the cruelest and non believing people to be either used for a needed purpose or as an eventual disciple/apostle,even some odd type people has God/Jesus used for the good of Israel or overall good for all mankind,such a woman prophetess,a sorcerer named simon(not simon peter simon the witch craft user),Judas Iscariot is no different,he may have been curious about Jesus as "many" eventual disciples were,they weren't all necessarily "true believers" is the point being established particularly with Judas Iscariot,"true belief"'in Jesus was not the reason Jesus gave them power to heal and cast out demons,it was because as a whole they had value to Jesus whether temporarily or permanently.
he didn't believe yet Jesus chose him as a vassal,nothing is impossible,if you look into the bible God/Jesus has chosen some of the cruelest and non believing people to be either used for a needed purpose or as an eventual disciple/apostle,even some odd type people has God/Jesus used for the good of Israel or overall good for all mankind,such a woman prophetess,a sorcerer named simon(not simon peter simon the witch craft user),Judas Iscariot is no different,he may have been curious about Jesus as "many" eventual disciples were,they weren't all necessarily "true believers" is the point being established particularly with Judas Iscariot,"true belief"'in Jesus was not the reason Jesus gave them power to heal and cast out demons,it was because as a whole they had value to Jesus whether temporarily or permanently.
Hi all...Why do you think the Bible says [FONT="]12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure...
It makes me ask myself, what would happen if i did not work out my own salvation with trembling and fear, it kind of feels like a warning to me, can someone help explain it to me please and thank you...xox...[/FONT]
It makes me ask myself, what would happen if i did not work out my own salvation with trembling and fear, it kind of feels like a warning to me, can someone help explain it to me please and thank you...xox...[/FONT]
U
Interesting you left out the first line of Romans 7 and some other important parts like
“Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?” Rom 7:1.
He then explains that we died to the law when we were wedded to Christ!
And you should also note that it is that the scripture needs to be consistent and Paul would not contradict himself therefore…
Paul is not writing here from the experience of a believer but of who he was under the law
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.” Rom 7:23
This is his experience as a believer……
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.” Rom 8:2
“Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?” Rom 7:1.
He then explains that we died to the law when we were wedded to Christ!
And you should also note that it is that the scripture needs to be consistent and Paul would not contradict himself therefore…
Paul is not writing here from the experience of a believer but of who he was under the law
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.” Rom 7:23
This is his experience as a believer……
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.” Rom 8:2
Okay Really; let the horse push the cart or "let your works go before you":
For some unknown reason, (pride) people put their own works before Christ Jesus - the song goes "How Great Thou Art" not look how great I am. Their is only one reason why people do not Magnify the Lord, and put God's work before their own and that is "Pride" the original sin. This backwards theology also happened between Cain and Able; Cain brought forth his own "good works." Able's sacrifice was acceptable to God; Cain's was not. This is basic Sunday School theology.
Even if you give people proof; they will still put forth their own works, (pride), ahead of God's.
For some unknown reason, (pride) people put their own works before Christ Jesus - the song goes "How Great Thou Art" not look how great I am. Their is only one reason why people do not Magnify the Lord, and put God's work before their own and that is "Pride" the original sin. This backwards theology also happened between Cain and Able; Cain brought forth his own "good works." Able's sacrifice was acceptable to God; Cain's was not. This is basic Sunday School theology.
Even if you give people proof; they will still put forth their own works, (pride), ahead of God's.
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I like this post a lot. I wish they had a double like and triple like as well....
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even, when there understanding,and biblical stand is proven wrong. \0/
