The Rapture

[VCO]

When this comes at the end of time I will be ready






I suggest you read the Trinity Discussion, then apologise,

That is not the question, the question is do KEEP READY, and have you been KEEPING READY?

How about you openly admit that you believe that the spirit in JESUS is GOD? You seem to avoid answering that BOLDLY, why? Even your answer there, seems to be beating around the bush, instead of answering the question DIRECTLY.

 

[PlainWord]

Questions.... yes. Where are the verses about microchips lol.

They seem to be missing don't they.

 

[PlainWord]

My world view is for the Kingdom of Christ. It has yet to get here. My Bias is GOD's WORD and His Bias against SIN and the constant Blasphemy of those that are 'adding to' or 'deleting from' to HIS WORD....The Holy Bible.

Fortunately for me, I see both. In Luke 21, Jesus tells those in the temple the people about the future but "BEFORE THAT" tells them what is and will be happening to them in the near future.

Of course the way you put it, it sounds good. WHY because for the most part you have decided that all prophecy ended in that era. Yet here we are in 2017 and there are Prophecies still unfulfilled....The Prophecy that Israel would return to their land was fulfilled in 1948 some 1500 - 2000 years after you and others claim everything stops.

If you are correct then SATAN WINS because the Glory of GOD is in the fulfillment of the Prophecies. BUT so far according to my calculations, the prophecies are 100% and counting and the GLORY of GOD is intact. The 'glory of man' is faltering into eternal XXXXXX? (you fill it in)

TITUS did not fill the criteria listed for the Man of Sin. The Antichrist....... Yeah, I know the History as well as most and better than some....TItus was in Daniel 9:27 but that was all.

If you want have a go with point for point, I am ready whenever you are!

However, I am sure it still NOT change any minds that are arranged like yours; (preterist, Idealist, replacement theology, covenant theology, etc.....) SO SAD!

Trying to fix your theology is like trying to unscramble eggs. To say the Kingdom is not yet here is boarding on blasphemy but I won't accuse you of that because you speak from ignorance and from a carnal prospective. Because you can't see the kingdom (which comes/came without observation) you deny it's arrival. It's sadly reminiscent of those Sanhedrin who didn't recognize their messiah who stood right in front of them.

I've told you I'm not a full preterist (at least not yet) as I have some unanswered questions. But when I see things fulfilled, I accept them and move on, checking them off my list. I don't wait for a third temple to be built and another Man of Sin to come copying everything the 70 AD Man of Sin did. Yes, Titus was in Dan 9 and he is also in 2 Thes 2. I've explained all the elements of this fulfillment to you but your biases stand directly in your way.

No, Satan does not win in my view, nor any view that I know of, such a statement is _________ (trying to refrain...).

Sadly, you don't realize that death has already been defeated. You think only upon the temporal things missing the big picture entirely. But take comfort, you have lots of company on these pages.

 

[valiant]

That is not the question, the question is do KEEP READY, and have you been KEEPING READY?

Yes, have you?

How about you openly admit that you believe that the spirit in JESUS is GOD? You seem to avoid answering that BOLDLY, why? Even your answer there, seems to be beating around the bush, instead of answering the question DIRECTLY.

Because I don't like your attitude.

 

[PlainWord]

And they do not like Israel because they lack the Holy Spirit in them. I can honestly can say that, because of something that comes with the Holy Spirit, and that is GOD's LOVE that the Holy Spirit pours into a born again believer's heart.

Romans 5:5 (CSBBible)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.


Isaiah 5:7 (NCV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The vineyard belonging to the LORD All-Powerful is the nation of Israel; the garden that He loves is the people of Judah. He looked for justice, but there was only killing. He hoped for right living, but there were only cries of pain.


1 Kings 10:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] May Yahweh your God be praised! He delighted in you and put you on the throne of Israel, because of the LORD’s eternal love for Israel. He has made you king to carry out justice and righteousness.”



THEREFORE the lack of love for ISRAEL, and the People of Judah; is proof that YOU DO NOT HAVE GOD'S LOVE in your heart, and therefore they do not have the HOLY SPIRIT in their heart either.

Honestly, I love Israel and the Jewish people. I've taken the time and great expense to go there twice. So, you might want to avoid the mis-characterizations.

That said, the Bible teaches that God broke the covenant with "all the peoples" of Israel (Zec 11:10) because of their sin. He promised He would break it in Lev 26 if they do not perform His commandments or if they forsake Him (Deu 31). Then in Jer 33:20 another harsh warning became reality on the Cross and in 66 AD.

Rom 11 tells the story about what happens and what is in affect today. Perhaps you might want to read this passage again? "Israel," the spiritual Israel is not national Israel anymore. Gentiles have come in and become one with the Believing Jews. Like Paul, I don't want you to be ignorant of this mystery. Non-believing atheist Jews are no longer part of the covenant which is most of the country.

 

[tanakh]

im convinced da only reason people spiritualize da 1000 years to da gospel age or something like that is bcuz they dont like Israel. as we who believe the bible know Jesus will be ruling from Jerusalem and all the ot saints will be resurrected as well and Jesus will bring back the kingdom of Israel.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

u can see its a kingdom on earth. because "the kingdoms of THIS world". not heavenly reign as valiant claimed.

Jesus answered My Kingdom is not of this world
If my kingdom were of this world then would my
servants fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews
but now is my kingdom not from hence. Pilate therefore
said unto him Art thou a King then? Jesus answered Thou
sayest that I am a King. To this end was I born and for
this cause came I unto the world that I should bear witness
unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth heareth my voice

John 18:37-38

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in which the heavens
shall pass away with a great noise and the elements shall melt with fervant heat.
The earth also and the works that are therin shall be burned up

11 Peter 3:10

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away
and there were no more sea

Rev 21 :1

Im looking forward to a New Heaven and New Earth that lasts forever.

The real Israel is Christ himself

And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh Thus saith the Lord
Israel is my Son even my firstborn. And I say unto thee
let my Son go that he may serve me and if thou refuse
to let him go behold I will slay thy Son even thy firstborn

Exodus 4 :22-23

When Israel was a child then I loved him
and called my Son out of Egypt

Hosea 1:1

When he arose he took the young child
and his Mother by night and departed into
Egypt And was there until the death of Herod
that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet saying Out of Egypt have I called my Son

 

[J7]

Incorrect. God broke off The Abrahamic Covenant, but enforced the Mosaic Covenant on apostate Jewry.
Presumably the breaking of the staff is equivalent to the breaking off of a branch, insofar as it is easily reparable.

Honestly, I love Israel and the Jewish people. I've taken the time and great expense to go there twice. So, you might want to avoid the mis-characterizations.

That said, the Bible teaches that God broke the covenant with "all the peoples" of Israel (Zec 11:10) because of their sin. He promised He would break it in Lev 26 if they do not perform His commandments or if they forsake Him (Deu 31). Then in Jer 33:20 another harsh warning became reality on the Cross and in 66 AD.

Rom 11 tells the story about what happens and what is in affect today. Perhaps you might want to read this passage again? "Israel," the spiritual Israel is not national Israel anymore. Gentiles have come in and become one with the Believing Jews. Like Paul, I don't want you to be ignorant of this mystery. Non-believing atheist Jews are no longer part of the covenant which is most of the country.

 

[Snoozy]

Jesus answered My Kingdom is not of this world
If my kingdom were of this world then would my
servants fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews
but now is my kingdom not from hence. Pilate therefore
said unto him Art thou a King then? Jesus answered Thou
sayest that I am a King. To this end was I born and for
this cause came I unto the world that I should bear witness
unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth heareth my voice

John 18:37-38

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in which the heavens
shall pass away with a great noise and the elements shall melt with fervant heat.
The earth also and the works that are therin shall be burned up

11 Peter 3:10

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away
and there were no more sea

Rev 21 :1

Im looking forward to a New Heaven and New Earth that lasts forever.

The real Israel is Christ himself

And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh Thus saith the Lord
Israel is my Son even my firstborn. And I say unto thee
let my Son go that he may serve me and if thou refuse
to let him go behold I will slay thy Son even thy firstborn

Exodus 4 :22-23

When Israel was a child then I loved him
and called my Son out of Egypt

Hosea 1:1

When he arose he took the young child
and his Mother by night and departed into
Egypt And was there until the death of Herod
that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet saying Out of Egypt have I called my Son

u are going back on ur word? u said earlier about 1000 year kingdom didnt u? now its no earthly kingdom? amillennialism?

 

[PlainWord]

Incorrect. God broke off The Abrahamic Covenant, but enforced the Mosaic Covenant on apostate Jewry.
Presumably the breaking of the staff is equivalent to the breaking off of a branch, insofar as it is easily reparable.

It is repairable for all those Jews who come to the Lord and accept His Son. It is NOT repairable for any Jew who continues to reject Jesus and who die in sin. There is ZERO difference between an unbelieving, unrepentant Jew and a unbelieving, unrepentant Gentile. They share the same fate if each dies in sin.

Hebrews 8:13

In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

It vanished away entirely in 70 AD. Today, God is not a respecter of person. He accepts all who love Him and rejects those who don't. Everything began to change with the Cross for the entire planet.

 

[PlainWord]

To my futurists friends:

What did God do to protect the Christian Jews living in Jerusalem from being destroyed by Rome along with the rest of the Jews? Does the Bible address them in your view?

 

[garee]

Trying to fix your theology is like trying to unscramble eggs. To say the Kingdom is not yet here is boarding on blasphemy but I won't accuse you of that because you speak from ignorance and from a carnal prospective.

Blasphemy is like Plagiarism iinfringement of copyright. The kingdom of God is not of this world, never was never could be Corruption must put on the incorruptible, incorruption is not inherited from the old .the old must vanish. The copy cat Satan would have the kingdom as if it was already here and men must walk by sight

Because you can't see the kingdom (which comes/came without observation) you deny it's arrival. It's sadly reminiscent of those Sanhedrin who didn't recognize their messiah who stood right in front of them.

We recognize the Kingdom of God which is not of this world by a faith (Christ's) that comes from hearing God.We are ambassadors as a kingdom of Priest sent from a foreign land, the true Kingdom of God not seen as those who have not received the reward the entering of the Kingdom of God the new heavenly Jerusalem.....the mother of us all

The Sanhedrin didn't recognize their messiah who stood right in front of them because they did not mix faith in what they saw or heard. They were looking to the flesh as if the kingdom of God was of this world and not looking ahead to the promise of the Spirit

They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;(Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: Heb 11:37

I've told you I'm not a full preterist (at least not yet ) as I have some unanswered questions. But when I see things fulfilled, I accept them and move on, checking them off my list. I don't wait for a third temple to be built and another Man of Sin to come copying everything the 70 AD Man of Sin did. Yes, Titus was in Dan 9 and he is also in 2 Thes 2. I've explained all the elements of this fulfillment to you but your biases stand directly in your way.

The man of Sin is Satan he was already here working in the hearts of men as the antichrists (plural)

What did you mean when you said Titus was in Dan? What does Titus have to do with the man of sin?

 

[Snoozy]

here is a good and simple image displaying da timeline of what happens in what order.
the reason why da church is raptured before the time of jacob's trouble is bcuz God resumes His program with Israel. we are taken out of da way into heaven to da marriage supper of the Lamb and judgment seat of Christ where we are rewarded.
btw u get an extra crown if u are waiting for the blessed hope appearing of the Lord Jesus

2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

 

[J7]

lol. Agree or disagree?

How to make God laugh. Tell him your plans.

How to make God groan. Show him your eschatology.

How to make God weep. Show him a Futurist eschatology...

 

[Ahwatukee]

here is a good and simple image displaying da timeline of what happens in what order.
the reason why da church is raptured before the time of jacob's trouble is bcuz God resumes His program with Israel. we are taken out of da way into heaven to da marriage supper of the Lamb and judgment seat of Christ where we are rewarded.
btw u get an extra crown if u are waiting for the blessed hope appearing of the Lord Jesus


2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Hi Snoozy!

That is a good, simple and accurate time-line of the chronological order of end-time events. I would add "seals, trumpets and bowl judgment" under the "Years of the Tribulation." And under "Desecration of the Temple" I would put "Abomination of Desolation set up."

I have a time-line with all of the events of end-time events that I did on Excel.

 

[PlainWord]

Garee,

The man of Sin is Satan he was already here working in the hearts of men as the antichrists (plural)

What did you mean when you said Titus was in Dan? What does Titus have to do with the man of sin?

Antichrists and the Man of Sin are not the same. The Man of Sin (2 Thes 2) is a unique singular person where antichrists are many who deny Christ is the Son of God. Basically all of your religious leaders of the day were "antichrists."

The Man of Sin was Titus. These passages relate to him.

Dan 9: And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

2 Thes 2: and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

[PlainWord]

here is a good and simple image displaying da timeline of what happens in what order.
the reason why da church is raptured before the time of jacob's trouble is bcuz God resumes His program with Israel. we are taken out of da way into heaven to da marriage supper of the Lamb and judgment seat of Christ where we are rewarded.
btw u get an extra crown if u are waiting for the blessed hope appearing of the Lord Jesus

2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Utter hogwash. Go back to sleep Snoozy.

 

[Snoozy]

Utter hogwash. Go back to sleep Snoozy.

says the guy who is saying only 0.1% of christians were in da rapture and were resurrected. ive never heard anyone teach what u are teaching no church teaches that, there were a few bozos teaching da resurrection already happened in the bible, paul mentioned them, u fall under da same category.
u are calling bible teaching utter hogwash thats not a good sign.
u didnt even post any scripture telling me why im wrong.

id like to see ur chart. its probably empty.

 

[Snoozy]

Hi Snoozy!

That is a good, simple and accurate time-line of the chronological order of end-time events. I would add "seals, trumpets and bowl judgment" under the "Years of the Tribulation." And under "Desecration of the Temple" I would put "Abomination of Desolation set up."

I have a time-line with all of the events of end-time events that I did on Excel.

hey uce nice to see u writing on this article. i found that chart on the internet and i dont know how to make them, not big on computer science. i think its good.
can u show us tha one u made on da excel? i think charts is a good way to teach da people in a short time, sometimes u only got an hour to explain it and its so much information regarding end times that u just gotta have a chart to help fly through to get da big points covered to da people.
God bless u.

 

[VCO]

Maybe this will give you an idea of when God restored the kingdom to Israel.

Isaiah 49:1-6 KJV
Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

[2] And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

[3] And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

[4] Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord , and my work with my God.

[5] And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord , and my God shall be my strength.

[6] And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Maybe this will give you an idea when GOD WILL restore the KINGDOM to ISRAEL.


Luke 1:32-33 (NRSV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his ancestor David.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end."

Hebrews 10:20-23 (NCV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] We can enter through a new and living way that Jesus opened for us. It leads through the curtain—Christ’s body.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And since we have a great priest over God’s house,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] let us come near to God with a sincere heart and a sure faith, because we have been made free from a guilty conscience, and our bodies have been washed with pure water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Let us hold firmly to the hope that we have confessed, because we can trust God to do what he promised.


Yes the Demons who called themselves LEGION, called Him SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD; however there no recorded human use of that SPECIFIC term, Mk. 5:7 & Lk. 8:28, other than in the Aprocrypha book of Sirach, which was written between 200-175 BC. Mark was written between 66-70 AD; while Luke was written between 80-100 AD.


Sirach 4:10 (NRSV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Be a father to orphans, and be like a husband to their mother; you will then be like a son of the Most High, and he will love you more than does your mother.


Clearly Sirach is not referring to Jesus Christ, and if Demons do not count, we are still waiting for that prophecy to be FULFILLED.

SO THAT brings us to the FINAL part of the Prophecy. THE THRONE OF DAVID is an EARTHLY KINGDOM, NOT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. SO WHEN WILL THE LORD GET THE THRONE OF DAVID.


Zechariah 14:2-4 (NRSV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses looted and the women raped; half the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations {REV. 19:19} as when he fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives, {CLEARLY THE SECOND COMING.} which lies before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley; so that one half of the Mount shall withdraw northward, and the other half southward.

Zechariah 14:9 (NRSV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one.


Revelation 19:19 (NRSV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against the rider on the horse and against his army.

 

[Persuaded]

Hi Snoozy!

That is a good, simple and accurate time-line of the chronological order of end-time events. I would add "seals, trumpets and bowl judgment" under the "Years of the Tribulation." And under "Desecration of the Temple" I would put "Abomination of Desolation set up."

I have a time-line with all of the events of end-time events that I did on Excel.

The bowl judgments, which is the wrath of God, does not come until after the seventh trump return of Christ.