The Rapture

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Two errors here:

1) Failure to understand the Greek; this is erchomai not parousia
2) Failure to identify the 'he'; it is neither Christ nor your suggested alternative
who is the one coming then if not Jesus?????????
 

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Dan 9:24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

Whether the above anointing describes Christ himself or the holy place the fate of "your people and your holy city" are tied to 70 weeks.

Heb 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

We know that "your people and your holy city" were dealt a devastating blow in the war of 66-70 AD.

Unless we find in scripture another "holy city" and another "your people" after this date then to be looking for a future fulfilling of Daniel's prophecy is based on fancy and poor theological reasoning.

Isa 65:15 You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones, and the Lord GOD will slay you. But My servants will be called by another name.

Isaiah stated that when "Israel/Judah" were slain his people would be called by another name, and they aren't modern day "Jewry" after the flesh.
Would that "another name" be "CHRISTIAN" by any chance?
 

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Plainword, are you saying Jesus second coming was in 70 AD?
His parousia (presence) returned in 70 AD. There is no doubt about it. Mt 24:29-31 happened back then. Will Jesus come back a third time? IDK, nothing says He does but He could.


 
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Would that "another name" be "CHRISTIAN" by any chance?
Might be Ishi.

Hosea 2:16 KJV
[16] And it shall be at that day, saith the Lord , that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
 
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His parousia (presence) returned in 70 AD. There is no doubt about it. Mt 24:29-31 happened back then. Will Jesus come back a third time? IDK, nothing says He does but He could.


Are you assuming the tribulation of those days was 70 AD?

Matthew 24:29 KJV
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
 
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Might be Ishi.

Hosea 2:16 KJV
[16] And it shall be at that day, saith the Lord , that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
what???????? isnt baal a pagan god??????? why was the Lord called with that name??????? i wonder what Ishi means.... this is worrying
 
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what???????? isnt baal a pagan god??????? why was the Lord called with that name??????? i wonder what Ishi means.... this is worrying
Ishi means husband.

Also Baal means Lord. People dis the KJV for using Lord because of that.... call it a pagan false Bible.
 

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Are you assuming the tribulation of those days was 70 AD?

Matthew 24:29 KJV
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
It began just before 70 ad and continues to the present time . It was the Great Tribulation of the Jews.

Luk 21:20
But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand.
Luk 21:21
Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein.
Luk 21:22
For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23
Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.
Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

compare Deut 28.64-7
 
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so the Father already came when????????? whats going on
Whenever he felt moved to to take action

Isaiah 31
4 For thus hath the Lord spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the Lord of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.5 As birds flying, so will the Lord of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.
 

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The Lord Of Hosts, Yahweh Sabbaoth, is a specific name of The Father
show us please! lol

the Lord God Almighty is the Lord of Hosts
 
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PlainWord

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AHW,

I'm afraid that he is Denadii! And since he believes that, then he must believe that all of the following has taken place:
That's exactly right. All of those things did take place and here's how.

Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: King of kings and Lord of lords.
Happened prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and was recounted by many dozens of survivors to Josephus who wrote about it. Jesus told those wicked religious leaders that He was coming back to execute judgment upon them and He kept His word. Sorry you don't realize that this vengeance was very personal and directly aimed at those who rejected Him and had Him crucified.

Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.”
A great number of the 1.1 million Jews dead in the city were in fact pecked at by birds, who ate their flesh. This is also in the historic record.

Now, we very well may face another world war and see all kinds of horrible things but guess what? You're going to be witnessing them right along with me and telling me, "Oh no, the worst is yet to come." You'll be saying this right until the end.



 

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Are you assuming the tribulation of those days was 70 AD?

Matthew 24:29 KJV
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
With 1000% certainty!! Not greater tribulation has ever hit another country this hard, nor ever will again according to scripture. This was the worst tribulation any nation ever faced. It isn't just the 93% of the population that died that makes it bad, it's how they died. It was horrific, worst than what the Nazis did to them.
 
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With 1000% certainty!! Not greater tribulation has ever hit another country this hard, nor ever will again according to scripture. This was the worst tribulation any nation ever faced. It isn't just the 93% of the population that died that makes it bad, it's how they died. It was horrific, worst than what the Nazis did to them.
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