Not By Works
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I'm sure we'll all pray for you Tourist.
If you stop smoking you'll gain some weight.
Then you could come to the gym with me and we could work out together.
Really. They say if you quit smoking, within 6 months your lungs are nice an clean again.
My son-in-law did this cold turkey - but the same method doesn't work for everyone.
Try.
If you stop smoking you'll gain some weight.
Then you could come to the gym with me and we could work out together.
Really. They say if you quit smoking, within 6 months your lungs are nice an clean again.
My son-in-law did this cold turkey - but the same method doesn't work for everyone.
Try.
Romans 4:3-5
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
I agree...
What happens is that when people say things like this - "We must have good works to remain saved".
Those types of words are not indicative of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and actually reveal a works-based belief system which is contrary to the gospel and this nullifies the grace of Christ from operating in our lives like it was mean to.
Paul said to use "sound words" that can accurately portray faith and the love which are in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Retain the standard of sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus.
The "origin" of good works is up to the Lord to decide as outwardly the works can look the same to the natural eye and mind of man.
Paul showed us in 1 Cor. 13 that we can give our money to the poor and even give our lives but without love - it profits him nothing. The person receiving these good works is certainly benefiting....
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I am all for good works! Works do not save us - Christ alone is the Savior. Get this backwards and we create a religion that nullifies the grace of God needed to do good works that are birthed in Him.
Sometimes we just need to agree to dis-agree too as none of us know things as we ought to know them as Paul says.
But this constant attacking people with personal attacks is all in the flesh and I personally do not want to interact with this type of behavior. This is why I always interact with you. Your behavior is in accordance with the life of Christ that is obviously in you.
What happens is that when people say things like this - "We must have good works to remain saved".
Those types of words are not indicative of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and actually reveal a works-based belief system which is contrary to the gospel and this nullifies the grace of Christ from operating in our lives like it was mean to.
Paul said to use "sound words" that can accurately portray faith and the love which are in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Retain the standard of sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus.
The "origin" of good works is up to the Lord to decide as outwardly the works can look the same to the natural eye and mind of man.
Paul showed us in 1 Cor. 13 that we can give our money to the poor and even give our lives but without love - it profits him nothing. The person receiving these good works is certainly benefiting....
..I am all for good works! Works do not save us - Christ alone is the Savior. Get this backwards and we create a religion that nullifies the grace of God needed to do good works that are birthed in Him.
Sometimes we just need to agree to dis-agree too as none of us know things as we ought to know them as Paul says.
But this constant attacking people with personal attacks is all in the flesh and I personally do not want to interact with this type of behavior. This is why I always interact with you. Your behavior is in accordance with the life of Christ that is obviously in you.
That's pretty discourteous since I've NEVER attacked you.
I totally disagree with you and you speak to me but not to my face.
That's not very nice.
If you have something to say to me, my name is Fran.
I'm sorry if you have to interact with me
BUT,,, I NEVER said what you claim above and I'm pretty sure you're talking about me - but who can be sure???
"We must have good works to remain saved".
These words could not have come from my mouth because I don't believe it.
I must have said this but you don't listen...
"IF we're saved, we do good works"
I feel no responsibility if you and Others do not like the word "work".
I feel no responsibility if it gets mixed up with the term "works salvation".
It's two totally different concepts.
What I have been saying for all these pages (have given up BTW) is that there are two steps to salvation:
1. Getting saved ........Justification
2. Staying saved........Sanctification
Staying saved means that we live our life for God.
We COOPERATE with Him to live the best way we can.
With the help of the Holy Spirit we dedicate EVERYTHING WE DO to God.
This is what I mean by works.
If people here mean something else by works, well --- that is their problem because they have incorrect theology.
Anyone here could go on the internet and look up
JUSTIFICATION and
SANCTIFICATION
and learn the difference.
We CANNOT be saved and tell Others no further action is necessary.
THIS IS WRONG.
And any Church that teaches this is not a true Church that Jesus would be proud of.
Eveyoner here who feels they "work" for God should be PROUD of their behavior and their actions.
This is what Christians are SUPPOSED to do.
They should not be told that they are proudful and demonstrating their own works.
This is nonsense.
Jesus said to let our good deeds shine before men.
He said that those that do good deeds will be put to His right side at the end time.
He EXPECTS good deeds.
Why do some here reject what JESUS said??
W
New covenant theology requires obedience to Christ's commands from heart purity, therefore doing the works of righteousness, which Paul said is or reasonable sacrifice. And God offers His part dispensing the power of grace, which teaches us to live godly and soberly in this present world...It's all Jesus, it never was us, but first one must lay down their weapons of sin and rebellion in repentance to get in on the covenant blessing....however to some this truth is undesirable works, that's why they invented Penal Substitution because it negates the responsibility and commitment to a covenant relationship...if either side breaks the covenant it is no longer of effect,,,,again, it takes two (Man and God), working together to obtain a relationship of love (covenant) that CANNOT be obtained by any other means possible.................be blessed
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