Not By Works
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This Passage of scripture describes the qualities of a Christian; it never say's;
'add to your faith works.'
"For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; [SUP]7 [/SUP]and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 5-8
'add to your faith works.'
"For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; [SUP]7 [/SUP]and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 5-8
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I suggest a study on the word itself and how it is applied...the Pharisees kept the law to a t and Paul said outwardly you could not convict him and he was not identifed as a saint.....the keeping of the commandments does not a saint make....being saved and in Jesus is what makes one a SAINT...NICE TRY...your law keeping will not make you a saint
New International Version 1984 1 Samuel 2:3 “Do not keep talking so proudly or let your mouth speak such arrogance, for the Lord is a God who knows, and by him deeds are weighed.
Psalm 31:23 Love the Lord, all his saints! The Lord preserves the faithful, but the proud he pays back in full.
Proverbs 16:5 The Lord detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Romans 8:7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
Psalm 31:23 Love the Lord, all his saints! The Lord preserves the faithful, but the proud he pays back in full.
Proverbs 16:5 The Lord detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Romans 8:7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
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The people in Matthew 7:21-23 will have works, but not the works that signify them as having been born again. If they did, Christ would not be turning them away as people he never knew:
"21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’" (Matthew 7:21-23 NASB)
Please make sure that none of us are guilty of trying to earn our way into the kingdom by doing works and explain to us why this is a works gospel:
19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."
26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
(Matthew 7:19-21,26 NASB)
26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
(Matthew 7:19-21,26 NASB)
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19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."
26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
(Matthew 7:19-21,26 NASB)
26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
(Matthew 7:19-21,26 NASB)
This is to all of you that have been saying that the necessity of works in salvation is the vain attempt to save oneself. Explain how the above is a works gospel.
I'm still waiting for a verse from YOU that quotes Jesus saying that "works" are not necessary.
Also,,, .
You said that following the 10 commandments is not what makes one a saint.
Is there someone here who does NOT believe in Jesus?
No.
So, once again you encourage Christians to NOT follow God's moral law...
The commandments.
YOU, my dear young man, will have much to answer for.
God demands more from those who claim to teach His ways.
Also,,, .
You said that following the 10 commandments is not what makes one a saint.
Is there someone here who does NOT believe in Jesus?
No.
So, once again you encourage Christians to NOT follow God's moral law...
The commandments.
YOU, my dear young man, will have much to answer for.
God demands more from those who claim to teach His ways.
Hi TT
I realize that I may be using the wrong word when speaking about "works".
I may have to take a sensitivity class... (Just so I could speak)
But my question to you is this...:
What would You call all those things that are to be ADDED to our faith in the verses you quoted?
Some here say that Nothing is to be added!!
So I guess God contradicts Himself. (According to Mr Dcon)
I realize that I may be using the wrong word when speaking about "works".
I may have to take a sensitivity class... (Just so I could speak)
But my question to you is this...:
What would You call all those things that are to be ADDED to our faith in the verses you quoted?
Some here say that Nothing is to be added!!
So I guess God contradicts Himself. (According to Mr Dcon)
WHO is the Pharisee here?
Telling everyone exactly what they're supposed to believe
And keeping them far from God with wrong doctrine ,,, for which you'll have to answer one day.
Awaiting your snarky remarks instead of the verses you Still Haven't Found...
And never will because They Don't Exist.
Your girls tried, but no luck...
Telling everyone exactly what they're supposed to believe
And keeping them far from God with wrong doctrine ,,, for which you'll have to answer one day.
Awaiting your snarky remarks instead of the verses you Still Haven't Found...
And never will because They Don't Exist.
Your girls tried, but no luck...
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I'm afraid for all these people in this thread who are teaching Christians to take false comfort in a faith without works relationship with God. We've warned them, so they will have no excuse on the Day of Judgment when Christ holds them accountable for teaching his people it's okay to have a faith that does nothing.