Not By Works

[preacher4truth]

You all, for the most part, are just talking past one another. At least one female in here, daily, is simply here to argue, troll and ridicule others while telling others about the necessity of bearing good fruit and good works.

That's certainly ironic to say the least.

Her actions in this manner are a lifestyle and a practice witnessed here not only daily but all day long.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG

Get off that ipad.

Read back what you wrote above....
Get off the wine...

I can't even reply to it !!!

JK (i think)

you can't reply to why all who have faith will work. and for that reason works are not required. but are a byproduct (fruit) of faith?

I wonder why? Its not that difficult.

 

[FranC]

really? Can you prove this?

Sure.

But I'm not going to.

Maybe Grace777 can
or maybe Mailmandan can.

But they won't.
Because they know I'm right.

LOOK IT UP.

 

[UnderGrace]

Another million dollar question.

As you and I know it is either one or the other.


Some people just cannot let go of the that law, like some kind of insurance plan, just in case Jesus and His grace is not enough.

And they say we are blasphemous, by saying works and law do not save or keep us saved..... Ohh the irony!!!

Thats why we need grace because all have sinned, continue to sin, and are sinning and fall short.(remember it takes just one sin)

so are you teaching law or grace?

 

[PennEd]

A total lie and blasphemy. You seem to have unmasked the real wolf in you. It's brighter than your blue sky. A true Christian need not be informed or warned of this kind of deception and blasphemy. I don't even need to refute or disprove this kind of rejection and dishonor to God.

These statements clearly prove that they teach disobedience and rebellion to God who commanded us to OBEY & TO SUBMIT.

Luke 6:45 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.

I think this makes 16.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sure.

But I'm not going to.

Maybe Grace777 can
or maybe Mailmandan can.

But they won't.
Because they know I'm right.

LOOK IT UP.

SO you can't prove it, then why did you say it?

I did look it up

the greek word for faith is pistis, which means conviction of the truth, belief, and assurance of the truth. Trust, (as apposed to mere belief or mental assent)

Obedience comes from the greek word Hypakoe, which means to listen, to harken, to give ear, to make answer when called, to attend to, to answer a knock on the door. to Obey.

 

[Grace777x70]

Legalism - in the biblical sense of the word - is any attitude or belief that human merit can produce, prove, or preserve for one-self an acceptable standing before God.

Whenever our assurance of salvation rests upon our "performance" rather then upon the "promises" of God that are Yes and Amen in Christ - we are in big trouble - we have fallen from grace to rely on our own self-effort so grace does not flow to us.

Obedience in the New Covenant:

In loving God and others as Jesus says is the greatest commandment in the law in relation to obedience.

Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.

It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love" as we grow in our awareness of His love for us.

We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship.

When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly as a fruit of our union with Christ. Now we need to have our minds renewed to the realities of "being in Christ".

When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.

I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us to reflect the true kingdom of the love and grace of God to a hurt and dying world.

Teach and preach who believers are in Christ because we are in union in one spirit with the Lord Jesus and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.

 

[FranC]

you can't reply to why all who have faith will work. and for that reason works are not required. but are a byproduct (fruit) of faith?

I wonder why? Its not that difficult.

Hear yourself:

1. ALL WHO HAVE FAITH WILL WORK.

2. FOR THAT REASON, WORKS ARE NOT REQUIRED.

3. THEY ARE A BY-PRODUCT OF FAITH.

Translation:

ALL WHO HAVE FAITH WILL WORK SINCE WORK IS A BYPRODUCT OF FAITH.

IF ONE DOES NOT WORK IT MEANS HE HAS NO FAITH.

SO....

WORKS ARE REQUIRED TO SHOW THAT I HAVE FAITH IN MY LORD AND SAVIOR.

IF I DON'T HAVE WORKS....I DON'T HAVE FAITH.

So, my dear EG, WHY would I be afraid to say that, yes, Works Are Necessary or Required if I'm sure I'm saved????

 

[FranC]

Legalism - in the biblical sense of the word - is any attitude or belief that human merit can produce, prove, or preserve for one-self an acceptable standing before God.

Whenever our assurance of salvation rests upon our "performance" rather then upon the "promises" of God that are Yes and Amen in Christ - we are in big trouble - we have fallen from grace to rely on our own self-effort so grace does not flow to us.

Obedience in the New Covenant:

In loving God and others as Jesus says is the greatest commandment in the law in relation to obedience.

Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.

It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love" as we grow in our awareness of His love for us.

We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.

When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.

I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us to reflect the true kingdom of the love and grace of God to a hurt and dying world.

Teach and preach who believers are in Christ because we are in union in one spirit with the Lord Jesus and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.

OH STOP ALREADY.

And use quotes so we know to whom you're speaking.
Oh. You're speaking to all of us?

GOD WILL BE SO HAPPY!!

 

[LoveGodForever]

Good night everyone,

Wishing you all love, joy and peace and all the fruits that God wants to grow on you. I love Jesus, and love you all as and wish you all well. Late my time so I am going to get some rest now. So goodnight my time. Oh and Franc and UG I have been told I can make a mean pasta

 

[FranC]

SO you can't prove it, then why did you say it?

I did look it up

the greek word for faith is pistis, which means conviction of the truth, belief, and assurance of the truth. Trust, (as apposed to mere belief or mental assent)

Obedience comes from the greek word Hypakoe, which means to listen, to harken, to give ear, to make answer when called, to attend to, to answer a knock on the door. to Obey.

No EG..


You're comparing BELIEVE
and OBEY

GO!!

 

[tourist]

Hear yourself:

1. ALL WHO HAVE FAITH WILL WORK.

2. FOR THAT REASON, WORKS ARE NOT REQUIRED.

3. THEY ARE A BY-PRODUCT OF FAITH.

Translation:

ALL WHO HAVE FAITH WILL WORK SINCE WORK IS A BYPRODUCT OF FAITH.

IF ONE DOES NOT WORK IT MEANS HE HAS NO FAITH.

SO....

WORKS ARE REQUIRED TO SHOW THAT I HAVE FAITH IN MY LORD AND SAVIOR.

IF I DON'T HAVE WORKS....I DON'T HAVE FAITH.

So, my dear EG, WHY would I be afraid to say that, yes, Works Are Necessary or Required if I'm sure I'm saved????

Yes, faith without works is a dead faith.

 

[FranC]

Good night everyone,

Wishing you all love, joy and peace and all the fruits that God wants to grow on you. I love Jesus, and love you all as and wish you all well. Late my time so I am going to get some rest now. So goodnight my time. Oh and Franc and UG I have been told I can make a mean pasta

Oh yeah?
Too bad you can't prove it!!

Pasta is my favorite.

Good night Aussie...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hear yourself:

1. ALL WHO HAVE FAITH WILL WORK.

2. FOR THAT REASON, WORKS ARE NOT REQUIRED.

3. THEY ARE A BY-PRODUCT OF FAITH.

Translation:

ALL WHO HAVE FAITH WILL WORK SINCE WORK IS A BYPRODUCT OF FAITH.

IF ONE DOES NOT WORK IT MEANS HE HAS NO FAITH.

SO....

WORKS ARE REQUIRED TO SHOW THAT I HAVE FAITH IN MY LORD AND SAVIOR.

IF I DON'T HAVE WORKS....I DON'T HAVE FAITH.

So, my dear EG, WHY would I be afraid to say that, yes, Works Are Necessary or Required if I'm sure I'm saved????

lol.. No Fran, Works are not required to show that I have faith, that puts the emphasis on man not God.

if I have faith I will work..

Saying works are required is like saying if you want a paycheck you better work, because you need to earn your wage.

Salvation is not a wage, it is a gift, Works are not required to earn a gift, it is freely given.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Good night everyone,

Wishing you all love, joy and peace and all the fruits that God wants to grow on you. I love Jesus, and love you all as and wish you all well. Late my time so I am going to get some rest now. So goodnight my time. Oh and Franc and UG I have been told I can make a mean pasta

 

[Grace777x70]

SO you can't prove it, then why did you say it?

I did look it up

the greek word for faith is pistis, which means conviction of the truth, belief, and assurance of the truth. Trust, (as apposed to mere belief or mental assent)

Obedience comes from the greek word Hypakoe, which means to listen, to harken, to give ear, to make answer when called, to attend to, to answer a knock on the door. to Obey.

Amen...and in believing in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection - we are walking in obedience. That's why it is called being "obedient to the faith".

Being "obedient to the faith" is believing in Christ and His work for us for life and living.

Notice here that even the law-keeping good moral living priests in the Law of Moses need to be "obedient to the faith".

The keeping of the law of Moses is NOT the same as being "obedient to the faith".

Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.


Pagans/Gentiles also need to be "obedient to the faith" and believe in Christ and what He has done for life and living.

Romans 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,


All people of all types are called to be "obedient to the faith" - which is belief in Christ alone for life and living.

Romans 16:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;


His life living in and through us will result in His fruit being manifested in His good works so that people may see the grace and love of our loving father and Lord have for them.

We are to encourage believers in the doing of good works but these are done by the life of Christ in us - not for "keeping us saved". That's an anti-Christ belief system.

 

[UnderGrace]

It is true.

We have wondered if there is some type of payroll for the trolls.

The conversation is like a roundabout, I do find it amazing (not sure if that is the right word) how the simple gospel becomes completely unrecognizable that it stirs something in me to continue to defend the gospel, but perhaps that only keeps the trolls on the payroll.

You all, for the most part, are just talking past one another. At least one female in here, daily, is simply here to argue, troll and ridicule others while telling others about the necessity of bearing good fruit and good works.

That's certainly ironic to say the least.

Her actions in this manner are a lifestyle and a practice witnessed here not only daily but all day long.

 

[FranC]

what is sad is when I write a service report and then weeks later read it, and I can;t tell what I said because it auto corrected..

I wonder what customers think?

LOL

Stop EG.
My sides are starting to hurt.


I know. Put a disclaimer down at the bottom of each page.
What should it say?

"written on a self-correcting iPad.
I accept no responsiblity for understandability"

"written on an apple iPad...
read at your own risk"

"an iPad was used.
If not legible, please contact Apple"

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Hi SG

I read the above and I agee with it.

I do need to say this, which will explain why I'm here:

Some persons her are expousing some very Dangerous ideas.

I've taught our faith so I feel a little responsible when I read incorrect doctrine.

NOW,,, you make ask how I know that I AM RIGHT and the Others are wrong.

If a person could say that all we need is faith and we're to do nothing else for God, it seems to me that it's easy to know that they're making incorrect statements. All one needs to do is read their bible. IT speaks the truth !!

You are not saying what they accuse you of saying, right? You said way earlier that works are needed to maintain salvation IN THE SENSE THAT if we are abiding, we WILL have good works. And yet they keep saying that you say salvation comes by works.

Could it be POSSIBLE that the same thing is happening in reverse and they are also not saying what you accuse them of?

Our sister ariel is somehow quite good at reading someones MEANING behind the words they choose. I would say...she's the ear. (Sorry ariel, gross earwax, but you are the ear.) And she really does somehow get to the intent even though she personally may have used different words, but she doesn't let a word or a certain turn of phrasing stop her ears from hearing what each of us MEANS to say. She doesn't stubbornly insist anyone must phrase it differently because she understands what they MEAN quite often and not what they SAY. She's pretty good at it so it's apparent that it's a gift for us to use.

And ariel has been saying that both sides are stubbornly not hearing what each other is saying because of insistence on certain words rather than intent. I think we have to let each other give what we have been given to give for our building up. But we won't get anywhere if we think any knowledge we have negates walking in love and having control over our tongue. So the first step is to ask for what we lack - each of us.

I could run through many of you and say what gift you have for us to use and grow by but I'll just say this: G777 is definitely the butt! HAHA! He knows I'm kidding. And dcon is the armpit. (Kidding again.)

What good are gifts given for all of us if we can't get to using them for the good of us all because we refuse to see our own poverty and ask for what we lack? More love is needed. We are all poverty stricken in spirit. Why not ask for what we lack?? We aren't humble enough. Why not ask for what we lack??

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Yes, faith without works is a dead faith.

very true

the works of the Holy spirit in us reveals our fruit


but to put your faith in works over Jesus is a grave mistake

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John Chapter 6


28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.



Ephesians Chapter 2


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Matthew 5:16 - Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.


John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Romans 8:26 - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Galatians Chapter 5


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


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Ecclesiastes 7:20

“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.”

Romans 3:21-27

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.