Not By Works

[mailmandan]

OSAS was not the issue,

You said baptist, And then made assumptions..which is what I said would happen

I like the term, "preservation of the saints." Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

Jude 1:1 - Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ.

 

[UnderGrace]

Too funny, I missed it completely ....but upon further inspection you definitely have a point.

Clear obesity correlation on various different levels in that culture.

 

[mailmandan]

Originally Posted by FranC

Yes. Works are necessary to remain saved.

J is an act of God.
S requires the cooperation of man. That means works.

Could we stop working and be saved??
I posted Revelation.
I posted chapters of Mathew, Jesus' own words.
I posted John 14:15

How about 2 Peter 2:20-22

We're either working for God
or working for the enemy

There are two gates, a narrow gate and a wide gate.
Did Jesus say there is a third gate?

We're either with God, following HIS rules,
or we're with the enemy.

I don't see the problem in saying works keep us saved.

Following Jesus keeps us saved.

Believing in Jesus keeps us saved.
What does BELIEF mean?

Here is one person that believes that we must do works in order to keep being saved as can seen in brown above.

I believe that this poster means well but is coming at it from an angle that is not correct IMO.

Personally I believe that the true Christian life when Christ is manifesting in and through us will result in good works of some sort but it's a fruit of His life being born on us - the branches. Without Him we can do nothing.

There are better ways of talking about good works other than to say we must do them in order to keep being saved. That is not the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

We should be encouraging each other to do good works!

Hebrews 10:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

You nailed it! That is what Catholicism teaches. They try to "shoe horn" works "into" belief and basically define belief/faith as works, so salvation through faith turns into salvation by works. sigh

 

[dcontroversal]

Fran,
The early church fathers and historical writers of the first century, not to mention the apostles, all spoke of the believers getting together to break bread (and worship, we presume) on the first day of the week... the day that Christ rose from the dead....

The RCC didn't start that practice, they continued it.

Amen............!!!!!!

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by FranC

Yes. Works are necessary to remain saved.

J is an act of God.
S requires the cooperation of man. That means works.

Could we stop working and be saved??
I posted Revelation.
I posted chapters of Mathew, Jesus' own words.
I posted John 14:15

How about 2 Peter 2:20-22

We're either working for God
or working for the enemy

There are two gates, a narrow gate and a wide gate.
Did Jesus say there is a third gate?

We're either with God, following HIS rules,
or we're with the enemy.

I don't see the problem in saying works keep us saved.

Following Jesus keeps us saved.

Believing in Jesus keeps us saved.
What does BELIEF mean?

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

Here is one person that believes that we must do works in order to keep being saved as can seen in brown above.

I believe that this poster means well but is coming at it from an angle that is not correct IMO.

Personally I believe that the true Christian life when Christ is manifesting in and through us will result in good works of some sort but it's a fruit of His life being born on us - the branches. Without Him we can do nothing.

There are better ways of talking about good works other than to say we must do them in order to keep being saved. That is not the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

We should be encouraging each other to do good works!

Hebrews 10:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

You nailed it! That is what Catholicism teaches. They try to "shoe horn" works "into" belief and basically define belief/faith as works, so salvation through faith turns into salvation by works. sigh

Well...the answer is to preach and teach the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work. All of us need to hear of Him!

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

2 Peter 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord;

 

[dcontroversal]

If you knew anything about the laws governing the Sabbath it would be self-evident that that event could NOT have happened on the Sabbath else everyone participating would have been in breach of the Sabbath!

Amen...not to mention that in Acts they met daily.....anyday is a good day to worship God....

 

[dcontroversal]

Not I.... Not saved according to my works but according the work and victory of Christ Jesus. Easy peasy!!

Amen....eternally I might add....by faith thru grace void of any additions, embellishments and or works of men....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't doubt that.

Ok maybe I have a blind spot here.

To me my kids don't have to keep working to please me, I am already pleaed with them because they are my kids.

It seems I have a raw nerve that has been touched.

Time for me to sit back before I go somewhere where I don't want to go to.

Do do you have joy when they do what you say? Does it griev you when they do not, them realize they made a mistake and are hurt by it?

We may be interpreting joy and happy and grieve different that's all,

 

[dcontroversal]

I studied the bible.

I see the catholic churhc

They do not even compair.

Apostolic succession? Where is that found in the bible?

It's not found any where in the bible....The Universal Cult (Catholic Church) is a Johnny come lately (300 A.D.) and is as apostate as Anton Levey and his work in San Francisco.......

 

[mailmandan]

I made the mistake of letting people know what church I went to. Next thing I know my church was attacked by people who had never even been there. I will not make that mistake again, and suggest no one else does either.

When I was a baptist. people had alot of general terms and assumptions of what I believed, because there are so many different types of baptist churches, and they all do not believe the same. so I stopped saying I was baptist so people would not assume. (yes it God that bad)

I think MMD has shared his belief on CC enough we know what his true faiht is in, Knowing what church he is going to will not help us understand him any better.

Well said brother!

 

[UnderGrace]

Try reading Matthew Chapter 10

Okay so I read Chapter 10.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Umm do I need to do this?

How about this?

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

I think I asked about this before, but where can I buy a cross?

[SUP]38 [/SUP]And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Do you have one?

Not really sure what you are trying to point out to me since I am trying to understand how to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God...,so then I must do all these things to be saved I guess I am going to have to give up my day job?

You said that was key to my salvation right?

 

[stonesoffire]

No of course you're not picking on me.
Of course you could have asked what I meant instead.

If this isn't picking,,,what is.

Kindergarten time!!

I'm outta here.

Sure, I could have. So what did you mean?

Same as you...instead of putting your own thoughts into my post and stating that is what I mean. So neither of us are acting right.

I just said you were wrong.

 

[stonesoffire]

Royalscot believes in dual covenant theology and that gentiles were never given the old testament law.....not sure he believes anyone in the new Covenant has any laws apply to them....been trying to figure it out but admitted defeat and in need of a translator.

I thought it was a language problem. I don't know how you figured that out because I had no idea.

 

[stonesoffire]

nice twist of words. ( what happens, if you do not have hands, )
a finished work, would need something ,that you ,could add, yet, you say there something else, to be added, yet give no quote or logic to what, it is that is missing. work for who, if a voice told you, about salvation. or did you read about salvation. (jesus died to give this salvation to believer. )when did, our hands ,play any part in that.



do you know the meaning to salvation.


salvation
salˈveɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
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• 1.
  preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.
  [COLOR=#878787 !important]"they try to sell it to us as economic salvation"[/COLOR]
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  [TR]
  [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
  [TD]lifeline, preservation, conservation, means of escape"she clung to that conviction, knowing it was her salvation"
  [/TD]
  [/TR]
  [/TABLE]
  • 
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• 2.
  THEOLOGY
  deliverance from sin and its consequences, believed by Christians to be brought about by faith in Christ.
  [COLOR=#878787 !important]"the Christian gospel of salvation for all mankind"[/COLOR]
  [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
  [TR]
  [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
  [TD]redemption, deliverance, saving, help, reclamation"we are here to bring you to salvation by way of repentance"
  [/TD]
  [/TR]
  [/TABLE]

may be i am guess , with the twist of words used, in your post, to imply a twin meaning, of some sort.

Tell me royalscot. Why did Jesus say to Peter, unless I wash your feet, you have no part in me? If you figure that out, you might understand hands. The rest of your post, I don't understand.

 

[stonesoffire]

It's my turn to bring the rattle snakes to church this Sunday. LOL!

Ten Ways You Know You're in a Bad Church

10. The church bus has gun racks

9. Staff consists of "Senior Pastor, Associate Pastor, and Socio-Pastor"

8. The Bible they use is the "Dr. Seuss Version"

7. ATM in the lobby

6. Services are B.Y.O.S. -- "Bring Your Own Snake"

5. Choir wearing leather robes

4. No cover charge, but communion is a 2 drink minimum

3. Karaoke worship time

2. Ushers ask "Smoking or Non-Smoking?"

1. The only song the church organist knows is "Innagaddadavita"

Clear obesity correlation on various different levels in that culture.

looks like it's just overweight women, or I think they are all women.

 

[UnderGrace]

Dual covenant theology does not teach this.

Royalscot believes in dual covenant theology and that gentiles were never given the old testament law.....not sure he believes anyone in the new Covenant has any laws apply to them....been trying to figure it out but admitted defeat and in need of a translator.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I like the term, "preservation of the saints." Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

Jude 1:1 - Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ.

Who are the Saints?

Rev 14:12,
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[TruthTalk]

This statement is clearly false.

if the bible never came out till around 1300 ad.

all the churches and religion and sects , formed after this date, would have to be in context to, the full scriptures.

The History of Canonization

A. Old Testament Canon – Recognizing the correct Old Testament books
1. Christ refers to Old Testament books as “scripture” (Matthew 21:42, etc.).
2. The Council of Jamnia (A.D. 90) officially recognized our 39 Old Testament books.
3. Josephus, the Jewish historian (A.D. 95), indicated that the 39 books were recognized as authoritative.
B. New Testament Canon – Recognizing the correct New Testament books
1. The apostles claimed authority for their writings (Colossians 3:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27; 2 Thessalonians 3:14).
2. The apostle’s writings were equated with Old Testament scriptures (2 Peter 3:1, 2, 15, 16).
3. The Council of Athenasius (A.D. 367) and the Council of Carthage (A.D. 397) recognized the 27 books in our New Testament today as inspired.

Attribute: https://bible.org/seriespage/6-canonicity
From the series: How we got the bible

 

[LoveGodForever]

This is nothing but slander. You should know better than this.

Your brother did not attend my Church and neither have you so don't even go there.

BTY I accept Jesus as Savior AND LORD. Thomas said "My Lord and my God" and I say, "My Lord and My God." Praise God!

The beam (Matt 7:3)

 

[LoveGodForever]

There are certain (actually many) churches that teach false gospels, which will lead all of those to their doom, who strictly follow the false teachings of those churches. But those who believe the true gospel of grace, and not just whatever their church teaches, are saved regardless of the group with which they are associated.

One's church may preach the true gospel of grace. If one believes the gospel, then one has eternal salvation (Romans 1:16). But if one does not believe it, then one is lost even though the official teaching of one's church is correct. Regardless of what particular church we attend (denominational, non-denominational or other) the True Church is and always will be the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18,24) which is made up of all genuine born again BELIEVERS/CHRISTIANS.

Maybe you are in one of them? The Gospel is the Word of God. If you do not believe God's Word then you do not know the true Gospel.