Not By Works

[mailmandan]

Ok so I guess that is a no in answer to my last post about sharing God's Word together . You like to make lots of accusations and false claims but you don't want to test what your saying is true on not with God's Word. This is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. I am happy to come to the light and share God's Word. Why do you not want to? Maybe you wish to hold on to your traditions over the Word of God? Either way I do not judge you. God's Word however will judge us in the last days.

You sound delusional and you are also the master of irony.

I have already tested what I say with God's Word and have accepted the truth from God's Word. I hold on to the Word of God and not traditions of men. You will have to try and deceive someone else with your sales pitch and SDA propaganda.

 

[gb9]

Hi FranC,

You know I study God's Word for myself. No one is my teacher except Jesus. I know you believe that SIN is the transgression of God's 10 commandments. It is very simple the wages of SIN is death. God's Judgements have only ever been about SIN from Genesis to Revelations. As it was in the days if Noah and Sodom so shall it be...... I come to this website because I care for people here. I have a message that people will not like because it is not what they want to hear. God wants us to repent and fear God because the hour of His Judgement has come. The 4th commandment 7th Day Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments given to mankind by our creator. God commands us to keep it as a holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of His truth. He calls all men everywhere to repent and follow him. Sunday worship as you have rightly pointed out is a teaching and tradition of man introduced into the Roman Catholic Church well before Protestantism started. God has his people in every Church but he is calling His followers out to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. There will be one Shepard and one fold whether we hear the Shepard's voice or not. God's Sheep here his voice. By faith God will truly have a people that keep his commandments and have the faith of Jesus (Rev 14:6-12). You know most of this already Franc the 4th Commandment, God's 7th Day Sabbath is the missing piece of the 10. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all (James 2:8-12)

God is calling His people higher to worship him in Spirit and in truth. He that has ears let him hear.

God bless

God is calling people to believe in the One He sent. not the Torah. not the Levitical system.

 

[AllenW]

So you only read the introductory page and nothing else? Keep reading.

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast along with the other articles.

Let's be fair here Mr. Mailman, tell us what church you go to so we can compare it to the SDA.

 

[FranC]

The moral law is not in effect If it is in effect then no one, I mean no one will make it to heaven, Because we all fail to live up to the moral law.

Col 2 tells us that the handwritten ordinances with were against us, contrary to us, and basically condemned us were nailed to the cross.

What were these ordinances? They were the things written in Stone, The things Paul said in galations brought a curse to everyone who did not obey every word. The same curse that Jesus hung on the cross for. The civil laws did not condemn us, The ceremonial laws did not condemn us, The moral law or ten commands did, Why? Because As moses demanded, anyone who does not obey every letter. is under a curse.

As james said, if we commit even the smallest of all sin, we are guilty of the whole law. and seen according to the law as sinners, The penalty is death. (curse)

The fact is when we stand in front of God we will stand in front of him naked, All of our sin will be before us, And every sin having brought with it a death penalty. NO ONE will stand righteous on that day.

The people who will enter in, are the people who have had the blood of Christ cleans them from all sin, The people. who as the day of atonement sacrifice shadowed. Had everything God had against us (the two tablets, the rod that budded, and the manna) which would have condemned us, but the blood of the lamb covered the seat. so when the judge looked in, the things which condemned us were covered, The blood atoned our sin.

Our works will nto save us, Our good deeds are not righteous, or make us righteous, The blood of God is what makes us appear righteous..

Not by works of righteousness which we have done (any good or righteous deeds, which would include water baptism, obeying the sabbath day, honoring our parents etc etc) But by Gods mercy HE SAVED US. by the washing and renewal of the HS.

You can not wash yourself. You can not cleanse yourself. You can not make yourself Holy. Only God can wash us..

Looks like you got left behind at the bakery EG.

We're WAY ahead of you.

 

[mailmandan]

By golly Grace!

of course I'm not going to read all that gobbledygook.

YOU YOURSELF say that the 10 Commandments are no longer in effect !!!

The New Covenant, remember???

So why continue reading?

YOU YOURSELF have said that WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY!

NOTHING IS NECESSARY, BUT FAITH, remember???

LGodF has FAITH.

YOU YOURSELF say that this is ALL He needs, right?

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
You're preaching works salvation here...
Something YOU really hate.

You are just as blind as he is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By golly Grace!

of course I'm not going to read all that gobbledygook.

YOU YOURSELF say that the 10 Commandments are no longer in effect !!!

The New Covenant, remember???

So why continue reading?

YOU YOURSELF have said that WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY!

NOTHING IS NECESSARY, BUT FAITH, remember???

LGodF has FAITH.

YOU YOURSELF say that this is ALL He needs, right?

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
You're preaching works salvation here...
Something YOU really hate.

from what I see LGF has faith in his works, Not faith in God. Like so many of you workers do.

Why do you continue to twist what other people say? Yes he expects you to read all of that stuff. How do you expect to know what he believes if you only read part of it Most likely that is what the problem is to begin with.

People read part. They ASSUME they know what the other is saying, Then they go off that predetermined idea of what others believe and not what they actually believe, Then we have these month long fights which will never be resolved because no one wants to listen,.

 

[Yonah]

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[FranC]

God is calling people to believe in the One He sent. not the Torah. not the Levitical system.

Here we go gb9

WHAT DOES BELIEVE MEAN?

I'm going to have to make a recording of this...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here we go gb9

WHAT DOES BELIEVE MEAN?

I'm going to have to make a recording of this...

smh, How many times do you have to be shown..

Yes, Someone needs to make a recording of this, so next time you ask we can show you have been answered.

 

[Ariel82]

The moral law is not in effect If it is in effect then no one, I mean no one will make it to heaven, Because we all fail to live up to the moral law.

Col 2 tells us that the handwritten ordinances with were against us, contrary to us, and basically condemned us were nailed to the cross.

What were these ordinances? They were the things written in Stone, The things Paul said in galations brought a curse to everyone who did not obey every word. The same curse that Jesus hung on the cross for. The civil laws did not condemn us, The ceremonial laws did not condemn us, The moral law or ten commands did, Why? Because As moses demanded, anyone who does not obey every letter. is under a curse.

As james said, if we commit even the smallest of all sin, we are guilty of the whole law. and seen according to the law as sinners, The penalty is death. (curse)

The fact is when we stand in front of God we will stand in front of him naked, All of our sin will be before us, And every sin having brought with it a death penalty. NO ONE will stand righteous on that day.

The people who will enter in, are the people who have had the blood of Christ cleans them from all sin, The people. who as the day of atonement sacrifice shadowed. Had everything God had against us (the two tablets, the rod that budded, and the manna) which would have condemned us, but the blood of the lamb covered the seat. so when the judge looked in, the things which condemned us were covered, The blood atoned our sin.

Our works will nto save us, Our good deeds are not righteous, or make us righteous, The blood of God is what makes us appear righteous..

Not by works of righteousness which we have done (any good or righteous deeds, which would include water baptism, obeying the sabbath day, honoring our parents etc etc) But by Gods mercy HE SAVED US. by the washing and renewal of the HS.

You can not wash yourself. You can not cleanse yourself. You can not make yourself Holy. Only God can wash us..

I wonder How many people understand what you just said?

and how many will twist your words to mean that you are against people living morally upright and godly lives?

 

[JaumeJ]

YOu are absolutely correct in that we shuld lisgten to and believe the Only Begotten Son of God.

When we beleive Him, of course we have to hear Him first, we understand He is the Torah, the Wrings, the Prophets and all of the New Testament..........

All writings without the Holy Spirit are dead, but once we truly believe the "One God Sent" we know what al the writings are saying, well what each needs to know.......and the Holy Spirit gives life to the text, not the text.

God is calling people to believe in the One He sent. not the Torah. not the Levitical system.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Maybe what mailmandan had in his link will work here. I realize that this is a waste of time for those that replace Chrsit for the Sabbath day in the Old Testament but it will help those viewing the thread to avoid this perversion of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

Anyone who says to you that "You are sinning and dis-obeying God if you don't keep the Sabbath as in the Old Testament way is a Judaizing spirit that has come to distort the gospel."

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Hi Grace777,

It would be nice instead of cutting and pasting all the time from other peoples websites you had a discussions with someone. Anyhow it shows you did not read my post 25062 Linked here which completely destroys your cut and past above. Here is the link go read my post and comment on it. Read the bible for yourself you might learn something. I know I do everyday. Jesus is a great teacher. I am happy to share God's Word. I am not sure why many do not.

 

[FranC]

from what I see LGF has faith in his works, Not faith in God. Like so many of you workers do.

Why do you continue to twist what other people say? Yes he expects you to read all of that stuff. How do you expect to know what he believes if you only read part of it Most likely that is what the problem is to begin with.

People read part. They ASSUME they know what the other is saying, Then they go off that predetermined idea of what others believe and not what they actually believe, Then we have these month long fights which will never be resolved because no one wants to listen,.

I don't need to read junk to know what people think.
I understand LGodF way better than YOU ever will because I actually LISTEN to HIM,
and not weird internet postings.

I like to read my bible.
I like to study theology.
I like to learn from a good denominational Church.

I don't use the internet.

 

[mailmandan]

Let's be fair here Mr. Mailman, tell us what church you go to so we can compare it to the SDA.

I actually attend a non-denominational Christian church that holds to essential Christian doctrine.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Looks like you got left behind at the bakery EG.

We're WAY ahead of you.

Nah, You could not even respond to what I said, You just spouted off as usual..

Sometimes I feel like I am in back in high school the way people respond.

 

[AllenW]

I actually attend a non-denominational Christian church that holds to essential Christian doctrine.

Not very convincing.
Does it have a name?
Does it have a website?
Or is it one of those secret society brotherhoods?

 

[mailmandan]

I don't need to read junk to know what people think.
I understand LGodF way better than YOU ever will because I actually LISTEN to HIM,
and not weird internet postings.

I like to read my bible.
I like to study theology.
I like to learn from a good denominational Church.

I don't use the internet.

I'm not surprised that you defend him and if you don't use the internet, why are you on Christian Chat?

 

[gb9]

Here we go gb9

WHAT DOES BELIEVE MEAN?

I'm going to have to make a recording of this...

why don't you record your many stupid questions that you have answered for you many times, and play it back to your self. decon and e,g have proved you wrong so many times, I have lost count

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't need to read junk to know what people think.
I understand LGodF way better than YOU ever will because I actually LISTEN to HIM,
and not weird internet postings.

I like to read my bible.
I like to study theology.
I like to learn from a good denominational Church.

I don't use the internet.

Did I say you did not know what LGF believes? Why is it you never listen to anyone Fran? And you wonder why people get so frustrated with you, Is this a game with you?

It is evident you did not read what I said, you just assumed you know.. Because I never said a word about you knowing what LGF believes, and it is evident you still do not know what GRACE777 believes, that is what you should read what he said,,

But no, When you think you know someone, and you are set in your ways, You will not listen to reason, and continue to do the same stuff.

 

[hornetguy]

If I'm not grossly mistaken, it would seem to me that the CATHOLIC CHURCH began Sunday worship..
since it was the ONLY Church at the time.

So you do like SOME Catholic doctrine??

Fran,
The early church fathers and historical writers of the first century, not to mention the apostles, all spoke of the believers getting together to break bread (and worship, we presume) on the first day of the week... the day that Christ rose from the dead....

The RCC didn't start that practice, they continued it.