Not By Works
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Sorry I did miss it. 
Yet, I do not see how this is living by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God?
It seemed to me you were applying this verse initially, in a more literally sense, however now you apply is more as a statement of general discipleship?
So when Jesus spoke these words to the devil this is what He was saying that we must take up our cross?
Do you not see how Jesus was comparing and contrasting the physical realm (bread) to the spiritual realm (the spoken word of God)?
Jesus did this frequently.
Yet, I do not see how this is living by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God?
It seemed to me you were applying this verse initially, in a more literally sense, however now you apply is more as a statement of general discipleship?
So when Jesus spoke these words to the devil this is what He was saying that we must take up our cross?
Do you not see how Jesus was comparing and contrasting the physical realm (bread) to the spiritual realm (the spoken word of God)?
Jesus did this frequently.
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John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:40
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:40
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
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OH NO!
You're not saying that things changed AFTER JESUS DIED!!!
So, you mean, JESUS didn't know what He was talking about???
Why are we even reading the gospels for goodness sake?
So here's what's STUPID.
People that don't understand hierarchy, here it is:
GOD
JESUS
JOHN
JAMES
PETER
MATHEW (except for where Jesus is speaking)
MARK (ditto)
LUKE (ditto)
ANYBODY ELSE
I hope you know why...
You're not saying that things changed AFTER JESUS DIED!!!
So, you mean, JESUS didn't know what He was talking about???
Why are we even reading the gospels for goodness sake?
So here's what's STUPID.
People that don't understand hierarchy, here it is:
GOD
JESUS
JOHN
JAMES
PETER
MATHEW (except for where Jesus is speaking)
MARK (ditto)
LUKE (ditto)
ANYBODY ELSE
I hope you know why...
So you have seen the wind?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
John 3:8
The force which produces the motion of the air molecules originate from the band of visible light which follow the circuit of heaven. Since the force produced is relative to the earth's position to the sun, thus trade winds are the movement of the air mass along the earth's surface when circuit which force the air molecules in the northern hemisphere from the northeast to the southwest, back toward the equator. Likewise the same occurs below the equator.
The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. Eccl 1:6
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I think she has misunderstood your statement...didn't you notice how she is asking you to prove something you have neither stated or believed?
Perhaps if you addressed her misunderstanding of your beliefs it might be edifying?
She seems to believe that since you say all you need to be saved is faith alone...that faith is actually alone and void of good works, which is neither biblical or what you have stated you believe.
It is frustrating to be misunderstood but take time to pray and God will give you the words to patiently answer in a godly manner.
Perhaps if you addressed her misunderstanding of your beliefs it might be edifying?
She seems to believe that since you say all you need to be saved is faith alone...that faith is actually alone and void of good works, which is neither biblical or what you have stated you believe.
It is frustrating to be misunderstood but take time to pray and God will give you the words to patiently answer in a godly manner.
Ariel,
You must stop saying that I've misunderstood something or other.
I haven't misunderstood anything and Dcon knows it.
Dcon believes that ONLY FAITH is necessary for salvation and to keep salvation.
IF he never moved a little finger ever in his Whole life, he'd say he's still saved.
(I'm not saying this is what he does, just what he believes.)
Which is even worse, BTW. Kind of reminds me of Alice Cooper, but that's a Whole different story.
PROBLEM: JESUS NEVER SAID THIS.
IT WAS JESUS' MINISTRY, NOT PAUL'S OR ANYBODY ELSE'S.
JESUS IS GOD.
JESUS KNEW WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
WE DON'T NEED PAUL TO FIX ANYTHING JESUS SAID.
You must stop saying that I've misunderstood something or other.
I haven't misunderstood anything and Dcon knows it.
Dcon believes that ONLY FAITH is necessary for salvation and to keep salvation.
IF he never moved a little finger ever in his Whole life, he'd say he's still saved.
(I'm not saying this is what he does, just what he believes.)
Which is even worse, BTW. Kind of reminds me of Alice Cooper, but that's a Whole different story.
PROBLEM: JESUS NEVER SAID THIS.
IT WAS JESUS' MINISTRY, NOT PAUL'S OR ANYBODY ELSE'S.
JESUS IS GOD.
JESUS KNEW WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
WE DON'T NEED PAUL TO FIX ANYTHING JESUS SAID.
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I could be wrong but the question Fran is asking is if you believe that the only thing a believer ever has is faith alone?
Where does good works fit into a believer's life?
How does moral law play into the maturity of a Christian?
Does the Holy spirit chasten people when they sin?
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It seems to be reoccurring questions that are underlying but often go unanswered or maybe the responses aren't seen...this thread does go quickly.
Where does good works fit into a believer's life?
How does moral law play into the maturity of a Christian?
Does the Holy spirit chasten people when they sin?
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It seems to be reoccurring questions that are underlying but often go unanswered or maybe the responses aren't seen...this thread does go quickly.
PROVE THE TRUTH.
I'm waiting.
It's only 5:11 am here.
But I have difficult sleeping anyway.
I stay up all night just worrying about all the works I didn't do...
Counting the ones I did...
Wondering if they were enough....
Do you realize some here have actually asked this...
Pretty silly, isn't it???
I'm waiting.
It's only 5:11 am here.
But I have difficult sleeping anyway.
I stay up all night just worrying about all the works I didn't do...
Counting the ones I did...
Wondering if they were enough....
Do you realize some here have actually asked this...
Pretty silly, isn't it???