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So what happened in 66-70 AD period:
Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
When the old covenant people were slain then comes the creation of the new heavens and earth:
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
And this ties in with John's revelation of the judgment of the whore (old covenant Israel):
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
When the old covenant people were slain then comes the creation of the new heavens and earth:
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
And this ties in with John's revelation of the judgment of the whore (old covenant Israel):
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Man, you really do not have much of an idea about what we teach and believe, do you? I am totally amazed at how little you know about our beliefs. I will start with your bottom comment and work my way up.
I certainly am ready to die at any minute HE WANTS TO CALL ME HOME. I AM EAGER TO BE IN HEAVEN, but as long as HE wants me here, I am also EAGER to continue to Serve HIM. So dying is NOT BAD NEWS, it is GOOD NEWS, and Staying is also GOOD NEWS, because it means HE has more people for me tell about what all JESUS has done in my life. When my brother-in-law died of cancer, he was asleep on his side, when suddenly he jerked, rolling over on his back, pointed at the ceiling, and shouted HALLELUJAH! He took three more breaths and died. The Hospice lady who did not Believe in GOD, was in the room, and she became a Christian because of what she saw that day. NOW THAT IS A GOOD WAY FOR A CHRISTIAN TO DIE. So your thinking that a Born Again Christian dying is "bad news" is TOTALLY FALSE.
No, I do not see dying, as bad news, I see it as EXCITING, when I have finished the work HE has for me to do here. Should the LORD choose to Call His Bride Out before I die, that would just be all the more EXCITING.
2 Corinthians 5:1-8 (NCV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] We know that our body—the tent we live in here on earth—will be destroyed. But when that happens, God will have a house for us. It will not be a house made by human hands; instead, it will be a home in heaven that will last forever.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But now we groan in this tent. We want God to give us our heavenly home,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] because it will clothe us so we will not be naked.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] While we live in this body, we have burdens, and we groan. We do not want to be naked, but we want to be clothed with our heavenly home. Then this body that dies will be fully covered with life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This is what God made us for, and he has given us the Spirit to be a guarantee for this new life.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So we always have courage. We know that while we live in this body, we are away from the Lord.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] We live by what we believe, not by what we can see.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] So I say that we have courage. We really want to be away from this body and be at home with the Lord.
AT THE END OF THE AGES, obviously is an expression that spans at least 2000 years. And my opinion of Encoch and Elijah not dying, may be a CLEAR indication that GOD janked them out of Their period of time, and put them in the TIME following the Church-age, to be the TWO WITNESSES who play a very big roll in getting the majority of the NATION ISRAEL to believe, JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH.
You are again hinting that there was a resurrection before in 70 AD. PURE HOGWASH! Had something like that happened, EVERY HISTORIAN FROM THAT TIME WOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. {The nice Hebrew way of saying they died.}
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also comes through a man.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:40 (CSBBible)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] There are heavenly bodies {NO we will not be Resurrected as a spirit being.} and earthly bodies, but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is different from that of the earthly ones.
1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (CSBBible)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Listen, I am telling you a mystery: We will not all fall asleep {DIE}, but we will all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible body must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal body must be clothed with immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When this corruptible body is clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal body is clothed with immortality, then the saying that is written will take place:
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel's voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are still alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore encourage one another with these words.
YES WE BELIEVE THAT IS ALL LITERAL, not symbolic.
THE APPEARING IS NOT THE SECOND COMING, IT IS NOT A COMING UNTIL HIS FEET TOUCH THE GROUND ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES. He APPEARED TO Stephen, and He APPEARED to Paul three or four times, and they did not count as a COMING. THAT IS WHY TITUS 2:13 is my favorite verse:
Titus 2:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
As I said, "He sleeps in the grave" is nothing more than a nice way to say someone DIED, and it is a common expression among Israelites. However the REALITY OF AN UNBELIEVER'S human spirit being in HADES, is absolutely REAL TORMENT and the beginning of the ENTERNAL TORMENT OF THE LAKE OF FIRE. NO SLEEPING GOING ON IN HADES.
You said "if they are saved", which poses another question. I have to ask, because your Beliefs as SO DIFFERENT THAN MINE: How do you believe us sinners are SAVED? I am asking if you believe if: Works, climbing into a Baptistry, adhering to the doctrines of Preterism, or anything else has a part in getting a person SAVED?
I am Glad you do Believe in the Reality of the FLOOD in Noah's time. That is the first thing in quite awhile you and I have totally agreed on. I found petrified sea shells in a road ditch, when I was in the third grade, when I grew up on a farm in Nebraska. Thus I, had no problem believing in a Biblical Flood. In fact the massive amount of Water gushing up out of the ground, may have been the cause of a lot of new mountains being formed.
I certainly am ready to die at any minute HE WANTS TO CALL ME HOME. I AM EAGER TO BE IN HEAVEN, but as long as HE wants me here, I am also EAGER to continue to Serve HIM. So dying is NOT BAD NEWS, it is GOOD NEWS, and Staying is also GOOD NEWS, because it means HE has more people for me tell about what all JESUS has done in my life. When my brother-in-law died of cancer, he was asleep on his side, when suddenly he jerked, rolling over on his back, pointed at the ceiling, and shouted HALLELUJAH! He took three more breaths and died. The Hospice lady who did not Believe in GOD, was in the room, and she became a Christian because of what she saw that day. NOW THAT IS A GOOD WAY FOR A CHRISTIAN TO DIE. So your thinking that a Born Again Christian dying is "bad news" is TOTALLY FALSE.
No, I do not see dying, as bad news, I see it as EXCITING, when I have finished the work HE has for me to do here. Should the LORD choose to Call His Bride Out before I die, that would just be all the more EXCITING.
2 Corinthians 5:1-8 (NCV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] We know that our body—the tent we live in here on earth—will be destroyed. But when that happens, God will have a house for us. It will not be a house made by human hands; instead, it will be a home in heaven that will last forever.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But now we groan in this tent. We want God to give us our heavenly home,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] because it will clothe us so we will not be naked.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] While we live in this body, we have burdens, and we groan. We do not want to be naked, but we want to be clothed with our heavenly home. Then this body that dies will be fully covered with life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This is what God made us for, and he has given us the Spirit to be a guarantee for this new life.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So we always have courage. We know that while we live in this body, we are away from the Lord.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] We live by what we believe, not by what we can see.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] So I say that we have courage. We really want to be away from this body and be at home with the Lord.
AT THE END OF THE AGES, obviously is an expression that spans at least 2000 years. And my opinion of Encoch and Elijah not dying, may be a CLEAR indication that GOD janked them out of Their period of time, and put them in the TIME following the Church-age, to be the TWO WITNESSES who play a very big roll in getting the majority of the NATION ISRAEL to believe, JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH.
You are again hinting that there was a resurrection before in 70 AD. PURE HOGWASH! Had something like that happened, EVERY HISTORIAN FROM THAT TIME WOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. {The nice Hebrew way of saying they died.}
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also comes through a man.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:40 (CSBBible)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] There are heavenly bodies {NO we will not be Resurrected as a spirit being.} and earthly bodies, but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is different from that of the earthly ones.
1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (CSBBible)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Listen, I am telling you a mystery: We will not all fall asleep {DIE}, but we will all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible body must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal body must be clothed with immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When this corruptible body is clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal body is clothed with immortality, then the saying that is written will take place:
Death has been swallowed up in victory.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (CSBBible)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel's voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are still alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore encourage one another with these words.
YES WE BELIEVE THAT IS ALL LITERAL, not symbolic.
THE APPEARING IS NOT THE SECOND COMING, IT IS NOT A COMING UNTIL HIS FEET TOUCH THE GROUND ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES. He APPEARED TO Stephen, and He APPEARED to Paul three or four times, and they did not count as a COMING. THAT IS WHY TITUS 2:13 is my favorite verse:
Titus 2:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
As I said, "He sleeps in the grave" is nothing more than a nice way to say someone DIED, and it is a common expression among Israelites. However the REALITY OF AN UNBELIEVER'S human spirit being in HADES, is absolutely REAL TORMENT and the beginning of the ENTERNAL TORMENT OF THE LAKE OF FIRE. NO SLEEPING GOING ON IN HADES.
You said "if they are saved", which poses another question. I have to ask, because your Beliefs as SO DIFFERENT THAN MINE: How do you believe us sinners are SAVED? I am asking if you believe if: Works, climbing into a Baptistry, adhering to the doctrines of Preterism, or anything else has a part in getting a person SAVED?
I am Glad you do Believe in the Reality of the FLOOD in Noah's time. That is the first thing in quite awhile you and I have totally agreed on. I found petrified sea shells in a road ditch, when I was in the third grade, when I grew up on a farm in Nebraska. Thus I, had no problem believing in a Biblical Flood. In fact the massive amount of Water gushing up out of the ground, may have been the cause of a lot of new mountains being formed.
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As Peter said "all things" .....
And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— [SUP]23 [/SUP]therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. [SUP]24 [/SUP]So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
When did they get it back?
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
So what we lost in Gen 3, we got back in the last chapter of the Bible, Rev 22.
I think you were saying that the old covenant people were slain in AD THEN the old covenant and the new heavens and new earth comes.
Isaiah 65:13-19 KJV
Therefore thus saith the Lord God , Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
God's chosen people shall eat, but the lost of Israel will not.
[14] Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
God's chosen people will sing for joy, but the lost of Israel shall cry.
[15] And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
The name of the lost of Israel will be a curse to the chosen of God. And the Lord will slay the lost of Israel and call his servants another name.
[16] That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
God's chosen people will bless and swear by God because the trouble of the lost of Israel are forgotten.
[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Summary of all preceeding verses - a new heaven and a new earth.
I believe you view this as a timeline as the lost of Israel get slayed and then comes the new heaven and earth.
Isaiah 65:13-19 KJV
Therefore thus saith the Lord God , Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
God's chosen people shall eat, but the lost of Israel will not.
[14] Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
God's chosen people will sing for joy, but the lost of Israel shall cry.
[15] And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
The name of the lost of Israel will be a curse to the chosen of God. And the Lord will slay the lost of Israel and call his servants another name.
[16] That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
God's chosen people will bless and swear by God because the trouble of the lost of Israel are forgotten.
[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Summary of all preceeding verses - a new heaven and a new earth.
I believe you view this as a timeline as the lost of Israel get slayed and then comes the new heaven and earth.
Revelation 11:18 KJV
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Resurrection then wrath.
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Resurrection then wrath.
I wrote the slaying of old covenant Israel "judgment of the whore (old covenant Israel)", as per Paul the "children" of Hagar:
Gal 4;30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Matt 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Gal 4;30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Matt 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
It's hard to keep track...
1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Thess 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
How can these still be "asleep" when you claim they were resurrected with Christ?
1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Thess 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
How can these still be "asleep" when you claim they were resurrected with Christ?