That's what I've been saying. These sanctified people are now in outright unbelief, not the struggles of living the faith.
Sanctification in Christ perfects you in Christ one time for all time. You don't have to keep going back to fix your relationship with God with recurring sacrifices like you had to in the first covenant. You are made perfect by a single sacrifice, so keep believing in that one sacrifice that does that for you. Don't lose what it does for you by not believing in it anymore.
Yes, only people who keep believing are saved. The author is saying, you Hebrews have that salvation, don't go back to unbelief and lose that salvation. Only believing people have and keep salvation.
By the way, notice how this shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that this group is saved. And yet the author still warns them about what will happen if they shrink back in unbelief.
No, you did not consider the context. You blatantly ignored the plain simple text which plainly says what the usage of 'sanctified' is in this passage and instead are clinging to weak and vague interpretations of other context that directly contradicts the straightforward and plain text.
I see this repeatedly in OSAS arguments. I call them the 'not really' doctrines of OSAS--the plain words 'don't really' mean what they say, and instead there are these esoteric real meanings that you have to be taught in order to get the real meaning of a passage. OSAS is easily the most dishonest doctrine I have ever encountered in the church. Hands down. It's a spirit at work in the church. It's source is a lying spirit of deceit tickling the ears of a church who are too afraid to accept the truth that they can lose their salvation if they stop believing, made all the more fearful by the completely stupid teaching that if you think you have to continue to believe to stay saved you are working to keep yourself saved. What a joke.
Correct, born again Christians will never be cast into hell. FORMER born again Christians will be turned into hell if they stop believing and God turns them over to that unbelief. It's important to understand the argument correctly.
Jesus spoke of these who believe in Him but who stumble so as to go to the eternal fire in Matthew 18:6-9. It's been amazing to me to see people repeatedly not be able to see the text when I post it on line. The OSAS doctrine--a doctrine of demons--is so powerful they literally can not see Jesus' warning to people who believe in Him to get rid of those who cause them to stumble so they won't go to the eternal fire.
It's amazing that you STILL do not even understand the argument. You only 'save' yourself in the same way you got saved to begin with--by BELIEVING. That's not the damnable works gospel. If it is, then you and I were saved by our damnable works the moment our believing started.
Besides caring about people going to hell, I'm looking for my reward in the life to come of every person who hears what I'm saying and turns from their OSAS comfort zone in repentance and believes to the very end and is saved. We are so far removed from what the Bible actually teaches you probably have no idea what I'm talking about in this regard. I don't make this stuff up. I simply read my Bible for myself and do not read it through the lens of the popular doctrines of the church. It's amazing how far off from what the Bible actually says that the church is at this present time in history. Simply amazing.
The ironic thing is, it took a fallen believer (who had the genuine gift of tongues, by the way, showing they were really saved) to tell me in a Biblical discussion we were having, "so the Bible doesn't really mean what it says" to make me see how completely stupid and unreasonable I and the church have been regarding our ridiculous esoteric interpretations of scripture.
Stay in the faith and you are forever perfected and preserved. What's so hard for people to accept about that????
You probably can't even grasp that alternate understanding of being perfected forever in Christ, let alone accept it. That's how bad this present indoctrination is gripping the church today. Christians can not even see any other way to think about doctrines outside of their own pre-programmed dogmas.
I bet you can not understand how it's possible that you can be perfect forever as long as you continue to possess what it is that makes you forever perfect. It's analogous to being forever rich because you're holding the winning lotto ticket while you wait to redeem it. Even if you and others do see the truth in that you'll still choose to turn away from it. That's the truly scary part.
This problem all stems from the church's profound ignorance of Paul's law vs. grace argument. Somehow it's been gleaned from Romans that salvation is by 'nothing at all', therefore, if you think it incumbent on you to have to continue to believe to the very end then you are trying to earn your own salvation. How ridiculous. But that demonstrates the profound ignorance gripping the church and which the enemy is using against us to destroy us.
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