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A comparison between Ezekiel and Corinthians shows that Paul is virtually repeating the prophets words and applying them to the Gentiles:
Ezekiel 37:26-27 I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore. My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(2 Cor 6:16 KJV) And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said,I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
What is significant about Paul's use of Ezekiel here is prior to the above is the regathering of Israel under on stick - bringing the tribes together as one:
(Ezek 37:16 KJV) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions:then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
(Ezek 37:17 KJV) And join them one to another into one stick;and they shall become one in thine hand.
Now if what Paul is stating from Ezekiel's prophecy is happening at Corinth in the 1st century AD "they shall be my people" then it must follow that the previous actions were already under way "I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen".
(Ezek 37:21 KJV) And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they begone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
And this is exactly what we find happening in James' letter:
(James 1:1 KJV) James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Thus in the 1st century AD we have the 12 tribes being called together to be one "stick" and the Gentiles as "I will be their God, and they shall be my people" in the body of Christ.
Ezekiel 37 is one continuous prophecy of the "resurrection":
(Ezek3 7:4 KJV) Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
(Ezek 37:5 KJV) Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
(Ezek 37:12 KJV) Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
In Israelite speak (or poetic/metaphoric language) being separated from God and or the land was to be dead or in the grave.
What Ezekiel is describing is bringing the living diaspora back into fellowship with him from exilic death and their graves - not a bringing up of decomposed bodies out of the ground.
There are two aspects to the "resurrection"
(John 5:25 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is ,when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
(John 5:28 KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice.
As can seen from the above there is "The hour is coming, and now is" and "the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice"
The proclamation of the Gospel to the "Jew" first (including all the tribes as per James 1:1) bringing life (they that hear shall live) this also includes the Gentiles such as the "church" at Corinth.
"the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice" is related to the "general resurrection spoke of by Paul:
Act 24:15 (Young's Literal) having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be arising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;
A comparison between Ezekiel and Corinthians shows that Paul is virtually repeating the prophets words and applying them to the Gentiles:
Ezekiel 37:26-27 I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore. My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(2 Cor 6:16 KJV) And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said,I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
What is significant about Paul's use of Ezekiel here is prior to the above is the regathering of Israel under on stick - bringing the tribes together as one:
(Ezek 37:16 KJV) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions:then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
(Ezek 37:17 KJV) And join them one to another into one stick;and they shall become one in thine hand.
Now if what Paul is stating from Ezekiel's prophecy is happening at Corinth in the 1st century AD "they shall be my people" then it must follow that the previous actions were already under way "I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen".
(Ezek 37:21 KJV) And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they begone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
And this is exactly what we find happening in James' letter:
(James 1:1 KJV) James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Thus in the 1st century AD we have the 12 tribes being called together to be one "stick" and the Gentiles as "I will be their God, and they shall be my people" in the body of Christ.
Ezekiel 37 is one continuous prophecy of the "resurrection":
(Ezek3 7:4 KJV) Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
(Ezek 37:5 KJV) Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
(Ezek 37:12 KJV) Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
In Israelite speak (or poetic/metaphoric language) being separated from God and or the land was to be dead or in the grave.
What Ezekiel is describing is bringing the living diaspora back into fellowship with him from exilic death and their graves - not a bringing up of decomposed bodies out of the ground.
There are two aspects to the "resurrection"
(John 5:25 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is ,when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
(John 5:28 KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice.
As can seen from the above there is "The hour is coming, and now is" and "the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice"
The proclamation of the Gospel to the "Jew" first (including all the tribes as per James 1:1) bringing life (they that hear shall live) this also includes the Gentiles such as the "church" at Corinth.
"the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice" is related to the "general resurrection spoke of by Paul:
Act 24:15 (Young's Literal) having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be arising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;
What is your take on this parable? Is this not an accurate description of the kingdom of heaven on earth right now?
- No it's not, it's the condition of the Jews/Israel in the 1st century - the physical kingdom - the harvest was at the end of the age in 70 AD.
There are no tares in the Kingdom of Christ to be rooted out. Only the "righteous" can enter the city/kingom by faith:
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.
- No it's not, it's the condition of the Jews/Israel in the 1st century - the physical kingdom - the harvest was at the end of the age in 70 AD.There are no tares in the Kingdom of Christ to be rooted out. Only the "righteous" can enter the city/kingom by faith:
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.
You do understand that the entire 144,000 are Messianic JEWS, Bloodline Decendants of each of the Twelve Tribes, Chosen by GOD to be sealed from harm in there MORTAL BODIES, to enter the Millennial Kingdom in their Mortal bodies? THEY ARE CHOSEN TO MAKE SURE ISRAEL SURVIVES the Great Tribulation. They are NOT the Church-age, spiritual gentile children with the Faith of Abraham, as many Pentecostals falsely believe.
SHOW ME THE 144,000 specifically IN HEAVEN. (By the way, it is okay to disagree with me on anything that is NOT directly connected to the Plan of Salvation, or the Deity of Christ, or the inerrancy of the GOD inspired, Original Manuscripts of the Scriptures.) Yes, I totally disagree with you on THOSE 144,000 being with us in Heaven. We are not destined for WRATH, so the RAPTURE is Pre-Wrath, and the WRATH and the Martyrdom of the Tribulation Saints, BOTH HAPPEN IN CHAPTER 6; while the Sealing of the 144,000 happens in Chapter 7. SO WHERE ARE THEY SEALED, in heaven OR on earth:
Revelation 7:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."
YES, after Seeing them SEALED ON EARTH, John's Vision goes to what is happening IN HEAVEN next.
Revelation 7:9-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"
THAT IS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, THE COMBINED TOTAL OF THE "ASSEMBLY" HE HAS BUILT, O.T. SAINTS, AND N.T. SAINTS INCLUDING THE TRIBULATION SAINTS.
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
Here is more information.
THE RAPTURE HAPPENS BEFORE THE 144,000 are SEALED.
Revelation 7:4 (YLT)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I heard the number of those sealed, (one hundred and forty four thousands were sealed out of all the tribes of the sons of Israel):
My understanding is that GOD HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS 144,000 REMNANT OF ISRAEL SURVIVED, BECAUSE OF HIS PROMISE TO ISRAEL, that forever, their descendants will inherit the land of ISRAEL.
Ezekiel 37:25-28 (NKJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children's children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] The nations also will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore."
THERE IS THE PURPOSE FOR SEALING THE 144,000 JEWS in their MORTAL BODIES.
Numbers 34:2 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] “Command the Israelites and say to them: When you enter the land of Canaan, it will be allotted to you as an inheritance with these borders:
1 Chronicles 16:13-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] O seed of Israel His servant, You children of Jacob, His chosen ones!
[SUP]14 [/SUP] He is the LORD our God; His judgments are in all the earth.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Remember His covenant forever, The word which He commanded,
for a thousand generations,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel for an everlasting covenant,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Saying, "To you I will give the land of Canaan As the allotment of your inheritance,"
Therefore I believe this verse is describing what happens to the 144,000 when He sets foot on the Mount of Olives.
Zechariah 14:2-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people {the 144,000}will not be removed from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You {the 144,000} will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
THAT IS HOW THEY ESCAPE COMING OUT BEHIND THE ENEMY LINES, THEREBY FLEEING TO PETRA, AS YOU POINTED OUT.
SHOW ME THE 144,000 specifically IN HEAVEN. (By the way, it is okay to disagree with me on anything that is NOT directly connected to the Plan of Salvation, or the Deity of Christ, or the inerrancy of the GOD inspired, Original Manuscripts of the Scriptures.) Yes, I totally disagree with you on THOSE 144,000 being with us in Heaven. We are not destined for WRATH, so the RAPTURE is Pre-Wrath, and the WRATH and the Martyrdom of the Tribulation Saints, BOTH HAPPEN IN CHAPTER 6; while the Sealing of the 144,000 happens in Chapter 7. SO WHERE ARE THEY SEALED, in heaven OR on earth:
Revelation 7:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."
YES, after Seeing them SEALED ON EARTH, John's Vision goes to what is happening IN HEAVEN next.
Revelation 7:9-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"
THAT IS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, THE COMBINED TOTAL OF THE "ASSEMBLY" HE HAS BUILT, O.T. SAINTS, AND N.T. SAINTS INCLUDING THE TRIBULATION SAINTS.
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
Here is more information.
THE RAPTURE HAPPENS BEFORE THE 144,000 are SEALED.
Revelation 7:4 (YLT)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I heard the number of those sealed, (one hundred and forty four thousands were sealed out of all the tribes of the sons of Israel):
My understanding is that GOD HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS 144,000 REMNANT OF ISRAEL SURVIVED, BECAUSE OF HIS PROMISE TO ISRAEL, that forever, their descendants will inherit the land of ISRAEL.
Ezekiel 37:25-28 (NKJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children's children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] The nations also will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore."
THERE IS THE PURPOSE FOR SEALING THE 144,000 JEWS in their MORTAL BODIES.
Numbers 34:2 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] “Command the Israelites and say to them: When you enter the land of Canaan, it will be allotted to you as an inheritance with these borders:
1 Chronicles 16:13-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] O seed of Israel His servant, You children of Jacob, His chosen ones!
[SUP]14 [/SUP] He is the LORD our God; His judgments are in all the earth.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Remember His covenant forever, The word which He commanded,
for a thousand generations,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel for an everlasting covenant,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Saying, "To you I will give the land of Canaan As the allotment of your inheritance,"
Therefore I believe this verse is describing what happens to the 144,000 when He sets foot on the Mount of Olives.
Zechariah 14:2-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people {the 144,000}will not be removed from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You {the 144,000} will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
THAT IS HOW THEY ESCAPE COMING OUT BEHIND THE ENEMY LINES, THEREBY FLEEING TO PETRA, AS YOU POINTED OUT.
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[FONT=comic sans ms, HELVETICA, ARIAL]'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse;
The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads;
And mamma in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a long winter's nap,
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
The were graves opened and spirits emerged
Then those alive were caught up in the air.
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Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse;
The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads;
And mamma in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a long winter's nap,
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
The were graves opened and spirits emerged
Then those alive were caught up in the air.
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Ahtta boy just couldn't be more wrong...
Let's look at what is written about the harvest:
Christ is spoken of as having the winnowing fork in his hand by John the Baptist:
Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire
He's previously warned his hearers:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
There is an "audience" related connection between the harvest and the "wrath to come".
John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.
John's gospel "fleshes" out the timing and who is being harvested - "fields; for they are white already to harvest".
Mat 9:37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
Mat 9:38 KJV Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
I think we are well within reason to say the "labourers" were his apostles and disciples of the 1st century.
A slightly different view point of the tares and wheat:
Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
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Mat 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
This is an obvious allusion to 1st century Jerusalem.
The wedding and the harvest are all part and parcel of the same motif and relates to Jerusalem of the 1st century AD.
Let's look at what is written about the harvest:
Christ is spoken of as having the winnowing fork in his hand by John the Baptist:
Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire
He's previously warned his hearers:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
There is an "audience" related connection between the harvest and the "wrath to come".
John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.
John's gospel "fleshes" out the timing and who is being harvested - "fields; for they are white already to harvest".
Mat 9:37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
Mat 9:38 KJV Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
I think we are well within reason to say the "labourers" were his apostles and disciples of the 1st century.
A slightly different view point of the tares and wheat:
Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
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.
.
Mat 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
This is an obvious allusion to 1st century Jerusalem.
The wedding and the harvest are all part and parcel of the same motif and relates to Jerusalem of the 1st century AD.
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Yep, and that hasn't happened yet, but does so at the end of the age. As usual, you pay no attention to scripture. In the parable the field where he plants his seed is symbolic for "the world." And therefore refers to all believers, whether Jew or Gentile. But of course you have to make it that way to make if fit your false teaching. You may think that you are clever now, but you will be held accountable for these false teachings and that is exactly what they are, false.
At the end of the age, the Lord also sends out the harvesters, which in the parable are symbolic representing the angels. Do we have any record of the angels going throughout the earth and gathering the wicked? Don't tell me yes, because it hasn't happened.
When Jesus returns to the earth, that will be the end of human government and the angels will go throughout the entire earth and first gather the weeds which are symbolic for the wicked and bring them back to where everyone will be gathered at Armageddon where they will be killed by the Lord.
Before that happens, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place, which is God's coming wrath.
You need to think about the consequences of these lies that you continue to teach! Jesus has not yet returned, we are not living in the millennial kingdom and the end of the age has not yet taken place! These are all lies and a distortion of the God's word.
The fact that we are just beginning to see people using the technology for a literal chip in the hand for the purpose of making purchases, should also be a proof to you that end of the age hasn't taken place. For the mark of the beast is apart of the events that take place leading up to Christ's return.
When are you people going to be honest with yourselves and look at the facts?!
I get the idea that even after you begin to see all people making purchases by having the chip in their hands scanned, that you will continue to ignore these facts as being proof of the literal fulfillment of scripture, instead of this spiritual mumbo jumbo that you preach.
At the end of the age, the Lord also sends out the harvesters, which in the parable are symbolic representing the angels. Do we have any record of the angels going throughout the earth and gathering the wicked? Don't tell me yes, because it hasn't happened.
When Jesus returns to the earth, that will be the end of human government and the angels will go throughout the entire earth and first gather the weeds which are symbolic for the wicked and bring them back to where everyone will be gathered at Armageddon where they will be killed by the Lord.
Before that happens, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place, which is God's coming wrath.
You need to think about the consequences of these lies that you continue to teach! Jesus has not yet returned, we are not living in the millennial kingdom and the end of the age has not yet taken place! These are all lies and a distortion of the God's word.
The fact that we are just beginning to see people using the technology for a literal chip in the hand for the purpose of making purchases, should also be a proof to you that end of the age hasn't taken place. For the mark of the beast is apart of the events that take place leading up to Christ's return.
When are you people going to be honest with yourselves and look at the facts?!
I get the idea that even after you begin to see all people making purchases by having the chip in their hands scanned, that you will continue to ignore these facts as being proof of the literal fulfillment of scripture, instead of this spiritual mumbo jumbo that you preach.
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^^^^^this^^^^^^
I was wondering WHY you frame the 12 tribes in that dynamic.
That is all. Not doing "back and forth"
The 12 tribes are from LINEAGE,not territory.
The best I can figure,you are making territory a criteria.
(and yes I am aware the TERRITORIES SPLIT after Solomon.
JTB was a levite,a tribe,that had no territory.
My point is the tribes have to be intact for God to select,seal,and gather them as first fruits.
KJV 1611 has a different opinion,and I was interested if you also say "God is done with Israel"
What say you?
I was wondering WHY you frame the 12 tribes in that dynamic.
That is all. Not doing "back and forth"
The 12 tribes are from LINEAGE,not territory.
The best I can figure,you are making territory a criteria.
(and yes I am aware the TERRITORIES SPLIT after Solomon.
JTB was a levite,a tribe,that had no territory.
My point is the tribes have to be intact for God to select,seal,and gather them as first fruits.
KJV 1611 has a different opinion,and I was interested if you also say "God is done with Israel"
What say you?
What is your take on this parable? Is this not an accurate description of the kingdom of heaven on earth right now?
- No it's not, it's the condition of the Jews/Israel in the 1st century - the physical kingdom - the harvest was at the end of the age in 70 AD.
There are no tares in the Kingdom of Christ to be rooted out. Only the "righteous" can enter the city/kingom by faith:
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.
- No it's not, it's the condition of the Jews/Israel in the 1st century - the physical kingdom - the harvest was at the end of the age in 70 AD.There are no tares in the Kingdom of Christ to be rooted out. Only the "righteous" can enter the city/kingom by faith:
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.
Matthew 10:7 KJV
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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Matthew 11:11-12 KJV
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Explain this one too if you can.
Matthew 11:11-12 KJV
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Explain this one too if you can.
So I think you agreed that the "wedding and the harvest" are the same event and that they occurred in the 1st century, yes?
Luke 14:16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
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Luke 14: 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
Matt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Adam Clarke on Matt 8:11
Many shall come from the east and west - Men of every description, of all countries, and of all professions; and shall sit down, that is, to meat, for this is the proper meaning of ανακλιθησονται, intimating the recumbent posture used by the easterns at their meals.
Ask yourself this 16, when were the children of the kingdom cast out, and how was Abraham able to "sit down in the kingdom" when the children were cast out?
Keep in mind the parable of the wedding feast and the "great supper".
So I think you agreed that the "wedding and the harvest" are the same event and that they occurred in the 1st century, yes?
Luke 14:16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
.
.
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Luke 14: 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
Matt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Adam Clarke on Matt 8:11
Many shall come from the east and west - Men of every description, of all countries, and of all professions; and shall sit down, that is, to meat, for this is the proper meaning of ανακλιθησονται, intimating the recumbent posture used by the easterns at their meals.
Ask yourself this 16, when were the children of the kingdom cast out, and how was Abraham able to "sit down in the kingdom" when the children were cast out?
Keep in mind the parable of the wedding feast and the "great supper".
I believe the children of the kingdom were the children of the kingdom of earthly Jerusalem.
I believe the people from the east and the west are gentiles who "sit down" or rest with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through the work of Jesus Christ... they have ceased from their own works like those guys did.