The Rapture
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Since you represent the KJV-only movement. I would like to ask how do you feel about the many premillennial churches that claim KJV-only, but the translators of the KJV were amillennialist protestants. The translators would greatly differ in theology with the modern KJV-only movement, in areas such as baptism for example.
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[h=1]Revelation 21GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)[/h][FONT="]21 I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone. 2 Then I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, dressed like a bride ready for her husband. 3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “God lives with humans! God will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There won’t be any more death. There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, because the first things have disappeared.”[/FONT]
[h=1]Revelation 21GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)[/h][FONT="]21 I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone. 2 Then I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, dressed like a bride ready for her husband. 3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “God lives with humans! God will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There won’t be any more death. There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, because the first things have disappeared.”[/FONT]
If Revelation is all about Israel how come Christ sent it to seven mainly Gentile Churches, and why are we being mainly Gentile arguing about it all especially according to your belief the church is raptured before any of it happens.
If the Church returns with Christ after seven years how come it is these tribulation saints who are martyred by the Beast that
are the ones who live and reign with Christ for a thousand years, (see Rev 20:4-6) and not the Church his Bride that's living and reigning. Who occupies the camp of the Saints? If its not the Church where have they disappeared to? Did Christ leave them in heaven when he came back?
You call Christs coming his second advent but according to Pre Tribbers that is really his third because he would have already left heaven twice already. The first time to be born here and the second time wiould be to pick us all up at the Pre Trib rapture so his final coming would be his third. According to Peter in Acts 3:21 Christ is to remain in heaven until the restitution of all things. That wont happen until his final coming so unless Peter was lying any chance of a secret trip back before then is not going to happen. The rapture and the final second coming happens at the same time.
I would stop being Snoozy and wake up to the truth.
If the Church returns with Christ after seven years how come it is these tribulation saints who are martyred by the Beast that
are the ones who live and reign with Christ for a thousand years, (see Rev 20:4-6) and not the Church his Bride that's living and reigning. Who occupies the camp of the Saints? If its not the Church where have they disappeared to? Did Christ leave them in heaven when he came back?
You call Christs coming his second advent but according to Pre Tribbers that is really his third because he would have already left heaven twice already. The first time to be born here and the second time wiould be to pick us all up at the Pre Trib rapture so his final coming would be his third. According to Peter in Acts 3:21 Christ is to remain in heaven until the restitution of all things. That wont happen until his final coming so unless Peter was lying any chance of a secret trip back before then is not going to happen. The rapture and the final second coming happens at the same time.
I would stop being Snoozy and wake up to the truth.
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God's truth's are hidden from the world and the only one's who will ever recieve His truth are the one's that believe every word of God is right.... that's just the way God chose it to be per John 14:23. This verse is in response to the question "how will you manifest yourself to us but not the world".
John 14:23 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Most KJV only believer's don't believe every word is right so they're not going to come to the truth. In fact MOST KJV only groups are truely cults that don't practice what they preach.
I really don't know what the KJV translators believed about anything so I can't speak to that.
John 14:23 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Most KJV only believer's don't believe every word is right so they're not going to come to the truth. In fact MOST KJV only groups are truely cults that don't practice what they preach.
I really don't know what the KJV translators believed about anything so I can't speak to that.
Well why don't you take some time to study The Translators to the Reader, which is the original preface to the Authorized Version and has been banished from today's King James Bibles (since it is heavy and scholarly reading). The King James Translators:
1. Believed in the Divine inspiration of EVERY WORD in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.
2. As a result they ALWAYS put their own words in italics, so that the reader would know which words were not in the Hebrew and Greek.
3. They separated the Apocrypha from both the Testaments, and clearly indicated that these wee not inspired writings
4. They stated that their primary objective was to make out of many good English translations one outstanding translation to which no one could take exception.
5. They consulted ALL the available material including the traditional Hebrew Masoretic text and the Greek Received Text, versions in all the languages, as well as other materials, and their Textus Receptus is slightly different from that of Stephanus (1550) and the Elzevirs.
6. They were convinced that there should be MANY translators involved, so that each one could critique the other, and a general consensus would be reached on every translation.
7. They tried to avoid using the same English word for the same Hebrew or Greek word, and this may have actually been a disadvantage.
8. The King James Bibles we use today are essentially reproductions of the 1611 edition other than necessary changes in spelling and punctuation. So that when people say "Which KJV?" they are displaying their ignorance.
STANDARD KJV
1
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
ORIGINAL KJV
1 In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darknesse, and the darknesse comprehended it not.
1. Believed in the Divine inspiration of EVERY WORD in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.
2. As a result they ALWAYS put their own words in italics, so that the reader would know which words were not in the Hebrew and Greek.
3. They separated the Apocrypha from both the Testaments, and clearly indicated that these wee not inspired writings
4. They stated that their primary objective was to make out of many good English translations one outstanding translation to which no one could take exception.
5. They consulted ALL the available material including the traditional Hebrew Masoretic text and the Greek Received Text, versions in all the languages, as well as other materials, and their Textus Receptus is slightly different from that of Stephanus (1550) and the Elzevirs.
6. They were convinced that there should be MANY translators involved, so that each one could critique the other, and a general consensus would be reached on every translation.
7. They tried to avoid using the same English word for the same Hebrew or Greek word, and this may have actually been a disadvantage.
8. The King James Bibles we use today are essentially reproductions of the 1611 edition other than necessary changes in spelling and punctuation. So that when people say "Which KJV?" they are displaying their ignorance.
STANDARD KJV
1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
ORIGINAL KJV
1 In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darknesse, and the darknesse comprehended it not.
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