The Rapture

[FeedtheMachine]

some people do not have a hand, doe to accident or born without hand. Bible say they put the mark oN hand or forehead.

For those that do not have a hand, the mark Will be in the forehead.

I once heard a sermon on this, and just as a point of interest, the speaker explained that what he understood from this is that antiChrist will be both a single person, but also a system, and the mark, name or number of his name that people will be marked with signifies; on the hand (our actions) and forehead (our thoughts). In other words we will accept the system in our deeds and our thoughts. I am not saying that I agree with this theory, just thought it to be an interesting approach.

 

[KJV1611]

Let me tell you a true story, of how SOME PEOPLE, carry that PHOBIA of 666 clear over into SUPERSTITION. I used to be a Volunteer Protestant Chaplain in the super-max Prison that was the end of the line in the State of California. I was trying to handle the Security Housing Unit (S.H.U.) all by myself. There were 1500 imates in that HOLE, which is what the inmates called the S.H.U. I finally had to ask the head CHAPLAIN for some more Volunteers to help me, and he said, "Okay, but you will have to TRAIN them, because I do not have the time." I agreed, and soon I had a Pentecostal that I was Training. A few days after I finished training him, he got is Permanent I.D. Card. The very next day he quit and turned in his I.D. Card, because the multi-digit I.D. number had three 6's in it. He even said the number gave him the creeps so bad that he took it outside the afternoon he got it in the mail, and hid that State I.D. Card under a rock.

Like I said it is an I.D. number that identifies an individual, and each individual has a different number. ALL THESES OTHER WILD THEORIES ARE PURE SUPERSTITION. The Chinese already use an 18 digits on their I.D. Cards.



Like I have been saying for years, we are heading for an 18 diget I.D. system, with that number broken up into 3 groups of 6 digits.

The bible doesn't say the the mark of the beast is a 16 digit number, that's you're doctrine trying to twist "count the number".

 

[KJV1611]

some people do not have a hand, doe to accident or born without hand. Bible say they put the mark oN hand or forehead.

For those that do not have a hand, the mark Will be in the forehead.

Or it could be that the mark is in our spiritual right hand.... the spiritual right hand is the hand of salvation. Grace is found on the right hand side of our bible.

 

[PlainWord]

Daniel 7:17-18 KJV
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

[18] But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

4 kings of the earth apparently possess a kingdom and then the saints of the most high take the kingdom from the 4 kings and possess the kingdom for ever.

Is this kingdom the kingdom of God? Does Daniel 7 have anything to do with Matthew 21:43?

Matthew 21:43 KJV
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

I like where you are going with this...

...unlike our futurists friends who think everything was written to and for them. They totally fail to recognize that Revelation was specifically written to the 7 churches of first century Asia Minor (Turkey). The message was for them. Although all who read are blessed, we should not take that to mean, "All who read have the same level of applicability."

Our futurists friends have the innate ability to take a passage like this:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

And turn "near" into the passing of 1/3 of the known world's history. Worse yet, they refuse to identify the audience and purpose.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]John, to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

These confused futurists fail to appreciate the times those early churches were in, beat down by Roman and Greek oppression and often times Jewish oppression. Rome was ruling the known world with an iron first. Nero was clothing Christians in animal skins, nailing them to crosses and setting them on fire to light up the night like lamp posts. So, John was given a vision and told to write to these 7 churches, to give them comfort straight from the spirits of God and His Son and to remind them that His Son sits on the throne and is ruler over all the kings oppressing them. Revelation is as much a book of comfort as it is a book telling them what would become of their oppressors in the very near (not 2,000 year) future!! In the end, God wins!!!

Sad, but our futurists, rapturists friends have no concept of audience integrity. They certainly know nothing about history and the customs of old, which play a big part in the knowledge needed to decipher Revelation which I might share a little of next with you since you are on the verge of getting it.

 

[KJV1611]

Whatchu talking about Willis?

The mark is adding to the word of God... most people do it, I used to do it to. Just having the mark doesn't condemn one to eternal damnation as most people think.

 

[Bookends]

Or it could be that the mark is in our spiritual right hand.... the spiritual right hand is the hand of salvation. Grace is found on the right hand side of our bible.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow my friend, grace is found through out the whole bible.Let me know if you need an O.T example.

 

[KJV1611]

None of us know which number it is, 666 or 616. John didn't have a computer or typewriter. At least his hand writing is better than mine.

The key to solving this is to identify the beast. If you knew what the beast was then it makes the solution easier, don't ya think?

Why is everyone guessing about this? Daniel identifies 4 beasts and so does John, the very same 4.

Ok, you're exibiting your mark lol. The bible plainly says the number is six hundred threescore AND six... the only way to know who the beast is, is by counting that number. Anything else is a man-made fantasy.

 

[Snoozy]

PW the mark of the beast is no big deal as long as you get rid of it... at one time I had the mark of the beast.

u do not understand tha mark of tha beast. once you have it you are doomed forever. there is no way to get rid of da mark of da beast, u will go to da lake of fire if u have it.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[KJV1611]

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow my friend, grace is found through out the whole bible.Let me know if you need an O.T example.

I won't argue with that! So I'll put it like this... the right side of our bible reveals grace clearly.

 

[PlainWord]

The mark is adding to the word of God... most people do it, I used to do it to. Just having the mark doesn't condemn one to eternal damnation as most people think.

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you a little on that one.

 

[Burninglight]

some people do not have a hand, doe to accident or born without hand. Bible say they put the mark oN hand or forehead.

For those that do not have a hand, the mark Will be in the forehead.

That is what I'd call using your head.

 

[KJV1611]

u do not understand tha mark of tha beast. once you have it you are doomed forever. there is no way to get rid of da mark of da beast, u will go to da lake of fire if u have it.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

You didn't read those verses carefully.


Revelation 14:9-11 KJV
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast AND his image, AND receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

To be cast into the lake of fire one has to 1) worship the beast AND 2) worship his image AND 3) recieve his mark.

 

[KJV1611]

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you a little on that one.

Based on what scripture?

 

[KJV1611]

I like where you are going with this...

...unlike our futurists friends who think everything was written to and for them. They totally fail to recognize that Revelation was specifically written to the 7 churches of first century Asia Minor (Turkey). The message was for them. Although all who read are blessed, we should not take that to mean, "All who read have the same level of applicability."

Our futurists friends have the innate ability to take a passage like this:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

And turn "near" into the passing of 1/3 of the known world's history. Worse yet, they refuse to identify the audience and purpose.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]John, to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

These confused futurists fail to appreciate the times those early churches were in, beat down by Roman and Greek oppression and often times Jewish oppression. Rome was ruling the known world with an iron first. Nero was clothing Christians in animal skins, nailing them to crosses and setting them on fire to light up the night like lamp posts. So, John was given a vision and told to write to these 7 churches, to give them comfort straight from the spirits of God and His Son and to remind them that His Son sits on the throne and is ruler over all the kings oppressing them. Revelation is as much a book of comfort as it is a book telling them what would become of their oppressors in the very near (not 2,000 year) future!! In the end, God wins!!!

Sad, but our futurists, rapturists friends have no concept of audience integrity. They certainly know nothing about history and the customs of old, which play a big part in the knowledge needed to decipher Revelation which I might share a little of next with you since you are on the verge of getting it.

The more I read and study, the more I see most everything coming back to the cross and resurrection.

 

[Bookends]

I won't argue with that! So I'll put it like this... the right side of our bible reveals grace clearly.

And I can agree with that, more light is shown on it.

 

[Bookends]

I like where you are going with this...

...unlike our futurists friends who think everything was written to and for them. They totally fail to recognize that Revelation was specifically written to the 7 churches of first century Asia Minor (Turkey). The message was for them. Although all who read are blessed, we should not take that to mean, "All who read have the same level of applicability."

Our futurists friends have the innate ability to take a passage like this:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

And turn "near" into the passing of 1/3 of the known world's history. Worse yet, they refuse to identify the audience and purpose.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]John, to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

These confused futurists fail to appreciate the times those early churches were in, beat down by Roman and Greek oppression and often times Jewish oppression. Rome was ruling the known world with an iron first. Nero was clothing Christians in animal skins, nailing them to crosses and setting them on fire to light up the night like lamp posts. So, John was given a vision and told to write to these 7 churches, to give them comfort straight from the spirits of God and His Son and to remind them that His Son sits on the throne and is ruler over all the kings oppressing them. Revelation is as much a book of comfort as it is a book telling them what would become of their oppressors in the very near (not 2,000 year) future!! In the end, God wins!!!

Sad, but our futurists, rapturists friends have no concept of audience integrity. They certainly know nothing about history and the customs of old, which play a big part in the knowledge needed to decipher Revelation which I might share a little of next with you since you are on the verge of getting it.

I agree, the futurist make John a liar to his very first audience.

 

[PlainWord]

The more I read and study, the more I see most everything coming back to the cross and resurrection.

We are certainly in the same zip code, generation.

 

[Burninglight]

The mark is adding to the word of God... most people do it, I used to do it to. Just having the mark doesn't condemn one to eternal damnation as most people think.

The mark of the beast does, because it is way more than just adding to the word of God. Besides, it is not clear about the adding to the Bible as a whole or the Book of Revelation alone. It says to the prophecy of this Book. Revelation is a Book alone.

The mark is more than just a mark it is a blood pact with the antichrist (Satan) and the chip implant mingles in with your DNA structure so that it alters it, and your DNA chemistry is changed or contaminated. It is sought of like becoming a reptilian shape shifter. That is part of the reason God destroyed mankind in the flood (too much bad blood demons mixing in with the DNA of man). Noah's family wasn't contaminated.

 

[KJV1611]

The mark of the beast does, because it is way more than just adding to the word of God. Besides, it is not clear about the adding to the Bible as a whole or the Book of Revelation alone. It says to the prophecy of this Book. Revelation is a Book alone.

The mark is more than just a mark it is a blood pact with the antichrist (Satan) and the chip implant mingles in with your DNA structure so that it alters it, and your DNA chemistry is changed or contaminated. It is sought of like becoming a reptilian shape shifter. That is part of the reason God destroyed mankind in the flood (too much bad blood demons mixing in with the DNA of man). Noah's family wasn't contaminated.

Where does the bible say having the mark sends someone to hell? And where does the bible say the mark is a blood pact with "the Antichrist"?

 

[Bookends]

Based on what scripture?

Where is your scripture to prove your point about "the mark being adding to God's word?"

The mark on the forehead is symbol of what we believe and the mark of the hand is a symbol of what we do. Since what we do demonstrates what we really believe. It has to do with who we worship and follow.

Exodus 13:9 "And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth: ..."


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Exodus 13:16-18 "And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: .... And the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying, ...Verily my Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defiles it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."


Exodus 31:13 "...Verily my sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you."
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