The Rapture

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VCO said:
I told you before, Numerology is trying to turn Biblical Interpretation into a Science, making Numerology a Psuedo Christian CULT.
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If you are suggesting that numbers have no significance in Scripture or in spiritual matters, you are clearly mistaken. There are certain numbers which have great spiritual significance, and they are worthy of close study. There is nothing pseudo-Christian or cultic about the study of numbers and their significance. Why are there 12 tribes of Israel and not 13? Why is the number 7 repeated over and over again in the book of Revelation? Why are there 144,000 redeemed Jews in Revelation 7 and 14, and not 145,000 or something else?

When scientists study the universe, they find that everything is present with mathematical precision, and mathematics is from God, who Himself is the Great Mathematician. And it is God who has decided as to why certain numbers (or combinations thereof) have tremendous significance. Therefore we must give heed.
 
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This is a coin minted for Caesar Augustus, in power at the time Christ was born. The inscription says, "Divi F!!!" Anyone (besides me) know what that means?

Also, Concerning the story of the so-called divine birth of Augustus found in the Theologumena, Suetonius writes:

Augustus’s mother, Atia, with certain married women friends, once attended a solemn midnight service at the Temple of Apollo, where she had her litter set down, and presently fell asleep as the others also did. Suddenly a serpent gliding up, entered her, and then gliding away again. On awakening, she purified herself, as if after intimacy with her husband. An irremovable coloured mark in the shape of a serpent, which then appeared on her body, made her ashamed to visit the public baths any more; and the birth of Augustus nine months later suggested a divine paternity.

Who gave the beast its power?
 
Muzungu256 said:
the church fathers were just as confused as us and had many different views.............
i still cant find a rapture in rev 14 where is it at what are people smoking. is it supposed to be the sickle part???????? seems angry sickle mon..........
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Yes,Jesus is on a cloud and is told to gather ripe fruit.

A gathering during the GT.
 
tanakh said:
In Acts Peter told the crowd the following.....

Repent ye therefore and be converted that your sins
may be blotted out,when the times of the refreshing
shall come from the presence of the Lord. And he
shall send Jesus Christ which before was preached unto
you. Whom the heaven must receive until the times of
restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the
mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Acts 3:19-21

It is clear from this that Christ remains in heaven until the second coming
not come back to collect everyone ,return to heaven and then make another
trip back seven years later. How plainer can it be?
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Rev 14 is such an automatic way out of that post trib rapture wilderness.

I mean what on earth do you guys need to actually investigate?
 
KJV1611 said:
PW the mark of the beast is no big deal as long as you get rid of it... at one time I had the mark of the beast.
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That's the thing about it everyone kind of hint's around about it but then drifts off into the foggy grey area I spoke of. Instead of simply stating to us to count it go step by step and explain it. No offence in me saying this but seeing it is so important a thing to understand then if you think you know what it is a step by step explanation would be what God would want would it not?
 
iamsoandso said:
That's the thing about it everyone kind of hint's around about it but then drifts off into the foggy grey area I spoke of. Instead of simply stating to us to count it go step by step and explain it. No offence in me saying this but seeing it is so important a thing to understand then if you think you know what it is a step by step explanation would be what God would want would it not?
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I've explained this countless times but it doesn't fit everybodies idea of the mark so it gets dismissed.

There is only one way to count a number that I know of, maybe you know of another way and if so please tell me.

0 hundreds + 0 tens + 666 ones = 666
0 hundreds + 66 tens + 6 ones = 666
6 hundreds + 6 tens + 6 ones = 666

66 tens + 6 ones is the only one of those countings with any biblical significance. 66 represents the word of God, 6 represents man. 66 (word of God) + 6 (man) = Man ADDING TO the word of God.

We have to believe the bible for exactly what it says, when the bible says count the number 666 then that means count the number 666.
 
KJV1611 said:
I've explained this countless times but it doesn't fit everybodies idea of the mark so it gets dismissed.

There is only one way to count a number that I know of, maybe you know of another way and if so please tell me.

0 hundreds + 0 tens + 666 ones = 666
0 hundreds + 66 tens + 6 ones = 666
6 hundreds + 6 tens + 6 ones = 666

66 tens + 6 ones is the only one of those countings with any biblical significance. 66 represents the word of God, 6 represents man. 66 (word of God) + 6 (man) = Man ADDING TO the word of God.

We have to believe the bible for exactly what it says, when the bible says count the number 666 then that means count the number 666.
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hmm,,, did you notice that the man that Neb, saw in Daniel 2 was 66 cubits tall and 6 cubits wide?
 
iamsoandso said:
hmm,,, did you notice that the man that Neb, saw in Daniel 2 was 66 cubits tall and 6 cubits wide?
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Yes I did and that statue represents the men and women that have the mark 666. But Daniel 2 isn't going to help us understand who THE MAN with 666 is. That can only be understood by counting his number.
 
KJV1611 said:
Yes I did and that statue represents the men and women that have the mark 666. But Daniel 2 isn't going to help us understand who THE MAN with 666 is. That can only be understood by counting his number.
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ok continue on,,,
 
seems like Noah was 600 years old when he entered the ark and the first deluge came did you notice that?
 
KJV1611 said:
The bible says count the number and you say that's numerology lol.

Revelation 13:18 KJV
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
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And the number of a man is his or her Social Security Number, that most likely will soon be replaced with an RFID NUMBER; NOT SOME MADE UP FORMULA FOR YOU TO ARRIVE AT A TOTAL OF 666.
 
VCO said:
And the number of a man is his or her Social Security Number, that most likely will soon be replaced with an RFID NUMBER; NOT SOME MADE UP FORMULA FOR YOU TO ARRIVE AT A TOTAL OF 666.
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How did you count 666 and arrive at a social security number?
 
It's real nifty how we sit back on our couches and get the zapper and flip through the channels. We take a glance and if we see a channel where those poor people are starving and go "oh,those poor people!" we all still have the option to push the button on the zapper and change it to a happy channel. That's what we do we change the channel to the future or the past and say "oh,those poor people who have/had the mark" never one does it cross our minds to leave it on the current channel and think.
 
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