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yeah Jesus is the savior of all the World. He was sent FIRST to the Jews then to the Gentiles. through those Jews because they were commanded to go into all the World and teach them the same Gospel He taught them.
matthew 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.the new covenant began Here.
thats How He was sent to the Whole world. and the new covenant began with His ministry
Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Notice when John was imprisoned and Killed......Jesus began His ministry which ties to your quote there regarding the 2 covenants
hebrews 1:1-2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, ( the first covenant) 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; ..(.the new covenant)
The first is given through Moses and the prophets that was until John. when Jesus began to speak, He was speaking the new covenant. some would try to make the covenant the cross alone which is ridiculous because a covenant is an agreement between two parties. the cross actually is what validated everything Jesus said, to be the eternal Covenant, and simultaneously ended the first, or a better word is the first covenant was fulfilled when He came, was sinless and then died for those of us who have sinned. when He shed His blood its Like when Moses spoke the covenant to the People and then took the blood sprinkled the people and the Word and validated it by Blood.
if more folks would understand the workings of the Law, they would understand more of what Jesus was doing and what the apostles are really talking about in the epistles. so often they are using language that refers back to the example of the Law, and How the Law was a prophetic foreshadowing of the true covenant of God, the Gospel
what that got to do with bible proof, to being able to back up your stand or point on this forum.lolI don't watch the news anymore...
an antichrist is someone, that is against jesus christ. or dose not believe in jesus.
but blindness ,will never have proof, if it already believes a lie. etc
,32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.John 8
who truth sets you free.
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buddy ive probably quoted half the Bible since ive been here lol. what ive learned though is if people are convicted by a false teaching it wont matter. what exactly do you take issue with and ill give you scripture, ( tho again its a waste of time probably because when you see it youll just have a different issue and explain why thats trumped by romans 8:1 or something that makes repentance not necassary what point do you have such a wierd issue with?
you have no context, to what i have already, said on this forum.
is the hebrew writer jewish, and who is he writing to.
I posted this in THE WAY TO THE KINGDOM.......very applicable
Can a apple tree bear fruit if it is a seed? The following order is God speaking through creation....
Seed----planted----water----sprouts----grows---matures----bears fruit----years of growth and fruit---slowly quits bearing---dies
Bears fruit
a. Sometimes one piece...Still an apple tree
b. Sometimes overloaded....Still an apple tree
c. Sometimes due to drought or late frost NOTHING....yet STILL an apple tree
d. Sometimes needs to be pruned, fertilized etc. to bear....yet STILL and apple tree
The apple tree is still a tree through ALL BOLDED phases above.........such is the way of a saved child of GOD.....they are BORN again (seed sprouts) and from that day forward they are eternally a child of GOD........
Some have works of GOLD, SILVER and PRECIOUS STONES
Some have works of WOOD, HAY and STUBBLE
Both are saved and will remain so!
Can a apple tree bear fruit if it is a seed? The following order is God speaking through creation....
Seed----planted----water----sprouts----grows---matures----bears fruit----years of growth and fruit---slowly quits bearing---dies
Bears fruit
a. Sometimes one piece...Still an apple tree
b. Sometimes overloaded....Still an apple tree
c. Sometimes due to drought or late frost NOTHING....yet STILL an apple tree
d. Sometimes needs to be pruned, fertilized etc. to bear....yet STILL and apple tree
The apple tree is still a tree through ALL BOLDED phases above.........such is the way of a saved child of GOD.....they are BORN again (seed sprouts) and from that day forward they are eternally a child of GOD........
Some have works of GOLD, SILVER and PRECIOUS STONES
Some have works of WOOD, HAY and STUBBLE
Both are saved and will remain so!
you quote romans 8
yet never read romans 2, now buddy don t waste my time, if you cannnot read the meaning of no law.
.14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the lawRomans 2
you should read the bible and understand what you quote.
Amen...the preaching of Christ and Him crucified is a stumbling block to those that think they need to work in order to create and maintain salvation.
The gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection will always make religious belief systems angry because it takes away their "own self works" of righteousness and exposes them to their own attempts at creating by what they do - what Christ has already done.
It's never a waste of time.
§There are many reading along with interest that don't post.
Sounds good Dcon.
And I have to agree.
But let's not forget that some are cut down and burned.
It would do us good to find out why....
Do some digging on our own, for those reading along...
But what you say above is true.
No James is not wrong - what is wrong is your "interpretation" of James and thus you deny the Lord Jesus Christ including the truth that Jesus is God come in the flesh which you deny.
This is one of the reasons why you reject the gospel of Christ and unfortunately that Jesus is God come in the flesh but the Lord will reveal Himself and what He has done for you. I and others are praying for you and He loves you dearly and wants you free.
appel tree that not bear good fruit Will be Cut down and burn in hell
[h=1]Matthew 7:19New International Version (NIV)[/h]19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
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There are some that say it was a woman, Priscilla, that wrote Hebrews. It could be.
She was Hebrew.
She was Hebrew.
It's always a sure sign that the gospel of the grace of God in Christ is being preached when the legalists and the Sabbath law keepers are agreeing on works save us.
Jesus Himself encountered this when the Sadducees and the Pharisees conspired against Him.
Judaizers have the very same belief system as works-based salvationists which is why some times they band together. I noticed that they never refute each other because essentially they have the same message.
A works-based mindset instead of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection..
These are in reality replacing Christ for the law of Moses/works - the very same thing that works-based believers do although both groups do give "lip service" to Christ and the message of grace that Paul preached because it is hard to get around these - especially Eph. 2:8-9.
Jesus Himself encountered this when the Sadducees and the Pharisees conspired against Him.
Judaizers have the very same belief system as works-based salvationists which is why some times they band together. I noticed that they never refute each other because essentially they have the same message.
A works-based mindset instead of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection..
These are in reality replacing Christ for the law of Moses/works - the very same thing that works-based believers do although both groups do give "lip service" to Christ and the message of grace that Paul preached because it is hard to get around these - especially Eph. 2:8-9.
10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it.11 Corinthians 3: Divisions in the Church
if there is no condemnation, ware is condemnation coming from.
if there is no condemnation, ware is condemnation coming from.
NO!
This is why we have so many odd and different beliefs.
Jesus meant for us to go to a Church.
Do not forsake the assembling of yourselves.
Hebrews.
Too late, must go.
P.S. A MAINLINE Church that will continue even if the current pastor Leaves...
True faith will have a corresponding action of some kind.
Let's look at what James says about faith & it's corresponding "work" in relation to having eternal life now and forever because we heard the message of Christ and believed on Him - then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Eph. 1:13
It is very interesting that in James's examples of faith "being made alive" by a work or a corresponding action. Both Rahab and Abraham each did a one time corresponding action to demonstrate their faith.
Abraham believed God and offered up Isaac on the alter. Rahab received the spies. Both one time events in their life - God calls this faith in action.
James 2:20-25 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
[SUP]22[/SUP]You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
Paul and James completely go together and do not cancel each other out nor contradict the basic truth of believing in Christ brings eternal life when we hear the true message of Christ's work and that we have the forgiveness of sins.
We do the very same thing when we hear the message of Christ and we believe and then God seals us with the Holy Spirit. This is our faith with a corresponding action or a "work".
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Jesus said to do the work of God was to believe in the Son.
Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10[/SUP]for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
This is faith with corresponding action - or a work. This is how we are saved by grace through faith just like Paul said.
James' talk is about "faith" and "works" is in relation to helping out our fellow man that is in need.
Let's look at what James says about faith & it's corresponding "work" in relation to having eternal life now and forever because we heard the message of Christ and believed on Him - then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Eph. 1:13
It is very interesting that in James's examples of faith "being made alive" by a work or a corresponding action. Both Rahab and Abraham each did a one time corresponding action to demonstrate their faith.
Abraham believed God and offered up Isaac on the alter. Rahab received the spies. Both one time events in their life - God calls this faith in action.
James 2:20-25 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
[SUP]22[/SUP]You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
Paul and James completely go together and do not cancel each other out nor contradict the basic truth of believing in Christ brings eternal life when we hear the true message of Christ's work and that we have the forgiveness of sins.
We do the very same thing when we hear the message of Christ and we believe and then God seals us with the Holy Spirit. This is our faith with a corresponding action or a "work".
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Jesus said to do the work of God was to believe in the Son.
Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10[/SUP]for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
This is faith with corresponding action - or a work. This is how we are saved by grace through faith just like Paul said.
James' talk is about "faith" and "works" is in relation to helping out our fellow man that is in need.
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But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
John 14:25
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
1 John 2:27
John 14:25
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
1 John 2:27
Hi Grace777
I thought it was a sign that the Gospel is being preached when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake (Matt 5:11).
If the scriptures are true, why are you accusing people of saying things they are not saying and why do you not believe God? Take a deep breath and take the time to see what is really being said. You may be surprised 
Gods blessing to all