The Rapture

[iamsoandso]

Where and why did you jump to Nero having to be the beast?

who do you think the beast is/was?

 

[Locutus]

Money, get back
I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack
Money, it's a hit

I'm in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a Lear jet

 

[iamsoandso]

Money, get back
I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack
Money, it's a hit

I'm in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a Lear jet

foggy grey area answers you gotta love it...

 

[Locutus]

I'm not the one worry warting over "buy and sell", it's not fogging my understanding. It's seems a big problem for you though.

 

[VCO]

There was a falling away in the 1st century AD - it's addressed by Paul in his letters.

AND A MUCH BIGGER ONE IN THIS DAY AND AGE.

 

[iamsoandso]

I'm not the one worry warting over "buy and sell", it's not fogging my understanding. It's seems a big problem for you though.

Well yea, from the beginning of Revelation to the end the wrath is poured out on those who have the name Or the Number Or the mark Or who adds to or removes from it's words so either those who were in the revolt had it or not(ad66-70) but never once is it poured out on the ones with the mark of God in their foreheads.

 

[VCO]

I'm not the one worry warting over "buy and sell", it's not fogging my understanding. It's seems a big problem for you though.

I hope you were not talking to me, because I AM THOROUGHLY CONVINCED IN MY MIND AND IN MY HUMAN SPIRIT, THAT I WILL BE IN HEAVEN AT THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB BEFORE THAT MANDATORY RFID CHIP IN THE RIGHT HAND EVER GETS IMPLIMENTED. My posting those videos excite me, because it means I will get called out to go to the Bridegroom's Wedding in Heaven perhaps even VERY SOON.

[video=youtube;lmGiu9JfbIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGiu9JfbIs[/video]

 

[VCO]

There is an identified method used by Preterists and others . It is called eisegesis. It works by taking a plainly understood piece of text or a passage and adding an interpretation to make it fit into a pre conceived set of ideas. By adding other verses and twisting their meaning a completely false doctrine can be produced. Cults like the Jehovah Witnesses are experts at it.

Do remember all you said, when you get LEFT BEHIND.

 

[Locutus]

Well yea, from the beginning of Revelation to the end the wrath is poured out on those who have the name Or the Number Or the mark Or who adds to or removes from it's words so either those who were in the revolt had it or not(ad66-70) but never once is it poured out on the ones with the mark of God in their foreheads.

So do you think the wrath in revelation is a different wrath to the wrath John warned of?

Matt 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

And if you do how do you establish that.

 

[iamsoandso]

So do you think the wrath in revelation is a different wrath to the wrath John warned of?

Matt 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

And if you do how do you establish that.

think about it if Jesus was found worthy to open the sealed book in Revelation 5:9-12 (because he was slain) then is it even possible for John the Baptist to have spoken of it in Matthew 3 or Jesus in Matthew 24,Mark 13 or Luke 21 wouldn’t it be after he was slain(crucified) when Revelation was given?

 

[J7]

So do you think the wrath in revelation is a different wrath to the wrath John warned of?

Matt 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

And if you do how do you establish that.

Yes of course, have you never read the Book OF Romans?

 

[VCO]

who do you think the beast is/was?

Anybody but NERO, that dumb theory was debunked decades ago. NOT some DUMB calculating the NAME mumbo jumbo; an ID NUMBER for every human being on the planet. It will be much like our Social Security Numbers here in the USA, only it will more like:

123456-123456-123456, hence the 666.

 

[PlainWord]

@PW

Fair enough. Historical records are received history, I agree.

The Bible itself is the best source on this, and it clearly states that Rev was written AD96. End of.

What verse in the Bible states a 96 AD writing?

 

[Persuaded]

Do remember all you said, when you get LEFT BEHIND.

A little judgemental on your part?

 

[VCO]

Where and why did you jump to Nero having to be the beast?

It is obvious it was to push the buttons on those of us who believe EVERYTHING after Revelation Chapter 4 is all future prophecy.

Pushing Buttons is a game they like to play. But there is a day coming when all the laughing will STOP.

 

[iamsoandso]

Anybody but NERO, that dumb theory was debunked decades ago. NOT some DUMB calculating the NAME mumbo jumbo; an ID NUMBER for every human being on the planet. It will be much like our Social Security Numbers here in the USA, only it will more like:

123456-123456-123456, hence the 666.

It's some one or something that had been in the earth before Revelations was written but was not at that time (Revelation 17:8=in the pit) and would return from the pit afterwards. So it's not Babylon, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Nero,Claudius, Vespasian,Titus ect. because they were all in the earth and not in the pit.

 

[PlainWord]

AND A MUCH BIGGER ONE IN THIS DAY AND AGE.

The Bible is pretty quiet about this age. Nothing about trains, cars, planes, rockets, modern medicine, sky scrappers, moon landings, TV, internet, etc.

 

[Locutus]

think about it if Jesus was found worthy to open the sealed book in Revelation 5:9-12 (because he was slain) then is it even possible for John the Baptist to have spoken of it in Matthew 3 or Jesus in Matthew 24,Mark 13 or Luke 21 wouldn’t it be after he was slain(crucified) when Revelation was given?

If John was filled with the spirit from birth (which the scripture says he was) then he would know that their was only one wrath to come - did he speak of another wrath after the "wrath to come"?

So the conclusion is the wrath of revelation is the wrath John spoke of.

Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Babylon is none other than 1st century apostate Jerusalem.


Matt 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

 

[J7]

What verse in the Bible states a 96 AD writing?

It's complicated, I doubt you would understand.

But there are two unequivocal references to Revelation being post the Jerusalem apocalypse

 

[J7]

Nah,

You don't even need to read Romans.

Revelation 11 :18 The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.

Nations - ethnos - God's wrath on the world.


Whereas the Temple Prophecy is wrath against the Jews

Luke21:23

There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.


You need to ditch this Preterist Hokum, it is upsetting the younger brothers

If John was filled with the spirit from birth (which the scripture says he was) then he would know that their was only one wrath to come - did he speak of another wrath after the "wrath to come"?

So the conclusion is the wrath of revelation is the wrath John spoke of.

Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Babylon is none other than 1st century apostate Jerusalem.


Matt 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.