Catholic believe pope is infallible

[Jackson123]

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FranC you not answered my question.

If if you said prior to Constantine declare church state, catholic was pure, it mean after that catholic not pure anymore

and you said catholic have more sound theology than Protestant, than which church is pure now

 

[Jackson123]

Pope believe in evolution. In other word God can not Create a man or animal without the help of evolution



Pope Says God Not 'A Magician, With A Magic Wand' : The Two-Way : NPR
In a move that could be aimed at healing a rift between science and religion, Pope Francis has said that evolution and the Big Bang are consistent with the notion of a creator. And according to the pontiff, believers should not view God as "a magician, with a magic wand."
Francis made the remarks at an assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, billed as meeting to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature."

 

[Jackson123]

[h=1]Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven[/h]by Michael Day

In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

 

[Nehemiah6]

it is in her official doctrine

Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP]
This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1869–1870, but had been defended before that, existing already in medieval theology and being the majority opinion at the time of the Counter-Reformation.[SUP][3][/SUP]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

This is still true, and if a Roman Catholic truly believes in his church, then this must be one of his beliefs. The Catholic New Advent Encyclodepia provides further insight into this false dogma of the RCC:

That the Church is infallible in her definitions on faith and morals is itself a Catholic dogma, which, although it was formulated ecumenically for the first time in the Vatican Council, had been explicitly taught long before and had been assumed from the very beginning without question down to the time of the Protestant Reformation. The teaching of the Vatican Council is to be found in Session III, cap. 4, where it is declared that "the doctrine of faith, which God has revealed, has not been proposed as a philosophical discovery to be improved upon by human talent, but has been committed as a Divine deposit to the spouse of Christ, to be faithfully guarded and infallibly interpreted by her"; and in Session IV, cap. 4, where it is defined that the Roman pontiff when he teaches ex cathedra "enjoys, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed indefining doctrine regarding faith and morals".

Since the Pope is not really the successor to Peter or the Vicar of Christ, and since Pope Francis has proven with his own words and pronoucements that he is a false teacher, we can conveniently ignore this dogma of the RCC.

 

[Jackson123]

This is still true, and if a Roman Catholic truly believes in his church, then this must be one of his beliefs. The Catholic New Advent Encyclodepia provides further insight into this false dogma of the RCC:

That the Church is infallible in her definitions on faith and morals is itself a Catholic dogma, which, although it was formulated ecumenically for the first time in the Vatican Council, had been explicitly taught long before and had been assumed from the very beginning without question down to the time of the Protestant Reformation. The teaching of the Vatican Council is to be found in Session III, cap. 4, where it is declared that "the doctrine of faith, which God has revealed, has not been proposed as a philosophical discovery to be improved upon by human talent, but has been committed as a Divine deposit to the spouse of Christ, to be faithfully guarded and infallibly interpreted by her"; and in Session IV, cap. 4, where it is defined that the Roman pontiff when he teaches ex cathedra "enjoys, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed indefining doctrine regarding faith and morals".

Since the Pope is not really the successor to Peter or the Vicar of Christ, and since Pope Francis has proven with his own words and pronoucements that he is a false teacher, we can conveniently ignore this dogma of the RCC.

and change in their doctrine prove that pope is fallible

 

[loveme1]

Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

by Michael Day

In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

Which god does this man refer to?

Now many remain in unbelief and ignorant and know not the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

If you worship the Almighty GOD you know darkness because the Light shines bright.

 

[Jackson123]

Which god does this man refer to?

Now many remain in unbelief and ignorant and know not the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

If you worship the Almighty GOD you know darkness because the Light shines bright.

for sure, not God in the binle

 

[garee]

I visited one of the Catacombs in Rome, but I was not saved back then (many years ago). Of course, it's run by Franciscans, or at least they were back then.

It was explained that they had found something written of Peter's or his name was on the walls, I can't remember. it DID seem like he had spent time there. Also, it seems that he was imprisoned in Rome and that he had made a trip as far North as Pisa

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The scriptures have no personal work coming from the approval of God .They seek after the approval of men making the commandment to study rightly diving by seeking His approval by faith, believe God and not Peter who is still asleep

The Catholics who walks by sight put their approval on writing on the walls or dead mans bones or paintings passed around as a form of idol worship, as if the writing or images was equal to prophecy. They are simply private interpretations as a perrsonal comentary of men.

The Catholics will say that all other denomination which they think are illigittament children of God make up private interpretations as if their private interpretation as a commentary raised above any one that is not Catholic. (blasphemy)

There hope as a unseen faith is not unseen is seen in respect no authority of God without the approval of the fathers the thing seen the temporal and therefore not the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God His interpretation to us. It is simply another way for them to usurp the authority of scripture which is of no effect to them. Placing Peter who is dead asleep making him into a worker of familiar spirit (3500 and rising) what they call patron saints as if they were reigning with Christ today and not asleep, as if Peter was the living word and God was a man as us. I would think that identifies blasphemy attributing the authority of Christ to men as their own person source of faith in what ever, walls, shadows on the buildings or squinting ones eyes by looking into the Sun called the miracle of the Son

All my bibles, when introducing Peter, say that it was most probably written from Rome.

It has no bearing on anything as to where Peter was, Peter is not a source of Christian faith, Christ alone is. Writings on walls does not make Peter a infallible interpreter as a mediator between God and Man (daysman). But does bear the sign of a antichrist.

This is having the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God(the faith of God) in respect to that seen men.

The "things of men" in that way offend the "things of God". Peter is not in the place of God scripture makes that very clear that the things of men do offend God

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

 

[ColoradoGal]

Pharisees practices and Catholic practices there's not much difference IMO, one had a high priest the other has a pope, with a bunch of under class levels, call the paster Father ask him forgiveness, really a bunch of non sense.

It comes from the Bible.

Jesus said to the Apostles, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." John 20:23

"Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective." James 5:16.

 

[ColoradoGal]

Catholic believe pope is infallible or neve wrong in moral and reaching, but there is a change in teaching

before vatican second counsel, she believe there is no salvation out site catholic

after, she believe Islam and Jew are save

it mean she admit pope before second counsel was wrong in teaching, need correction

is she still maintain the doctrine of the infabillity of pope? Or unaware to realized coughs lying

You're confused. The Catholic Church teaches that people outside of the Church are saved in spite of their not being Catholics. There is no blanket concept of being saved, be they Muslims, Jews, or Catholics.

 

[ColoradoGal]

FranC you not answered my question.

If if you said prior to Constantine declare church state, catholic was pure, it mean after that catholic not pure anymore

and you said catholic have more sound theology than Protestant, than which church is pure now

Protestantism has only existed for about 500 years. It speaks for itself on that account alone what value it has which is zero.

One thing that brought me to Catholicism when I came to believe in Jesus is that the idea of the Church being lost in corruption until Martin Luther came along invalidates the prophecy Jesus made when he said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church. There is only one Church with historical continuity.

 

[Sully]

Protestantism has only existed for about 500 years. It speaks for itself on that account alone what value it has which is zero.

The world was flat 501 years ago, so do we throw out the globe as well?

 

[Magenta]

The church that Jesus Christ founded was in existence for hundreds of years before the RCC saw its beginning. Roman Catholics are infamous for rewriting history and ignoring Biblical context. Just like they deliberately overlook the fact that the Rock of salvation that the church is built upon is a confession of faith in Jesus Christ Himself, and not a man Jesus referred to as Satan.

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes.
The good, the bad, and the ugly.

I believe the one pure Church is the one BEFORE Constantine declared it the religion of State.

WHile there were many Churches back then as there are now, only 7 of them did Jesus hand pick... Having the sight of the future on his side, he picked out churches that not only represented the times in history but also represents (as a whole) the churches of today.

Your statement above was not meant to bring out a history lesson but Constantine was represented by the Church in Pergamos. This is often called the Married Church because Satan married the Church with the State.

As we see in Rev. 2 and 3, Ephesus was the 1st church Jesus sent a letter to and it had problems,,,, It represents Apostasy as was the period of time in History...

The Church you are referring to I am sure is Smyrna. These people represent the Persecuted Church as there are today. They had NO (0) deficiencies (nothing wrong with them).

one more point about the church of Smyna was the Phrase that Jesus used; "and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan". The more I look into this, the more I realize that this phrase could very well represent the Preterist that were and have been prevalent in recent History (from 1600's on)

Think about it for a while....The preterist are the ones who are effectively calling themselves Jews and are really not? They claim they are the Church who received all the blessings from God when Israel turned away from him in the 1st century. Now this may not be but right now I am leaning that way... There is no other mention of a group that would claim such throughout the Bible That I have found, yet.

Oh well, I have made several enemies with this post!

You do know the the next letter after Pergamos appears to represent the Catholic Church or the Medieval Church. I think you will agree that the letter is fairly accurate. Jesus tied the Church to Jezebel.... It is interesting that Jesus Told this church that unless they repented they would go through the Great tribulations.

rev 2:22.."Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds."

 

[Bladerunner]

I thought I had better add an addition information I have found about the 7 letters Jesus wrote to the seven Churches.

I do not think that anyone Church is specific to a church named in those letters...Rather, I think that if one looks at each individual church, you will find a percentage of all the seven churches within. Some will have more than others of one thing and so on.

What is your Church's percentages,,,,do you know? Do you want to Know?

 

[UnderGrace]

Indeed the gates of hell did not prevail although it tried...... the Roman Church for centuries placed burdens of guilt and sin upon the people and then rather than proclaiming the redemption in Christ set up a system of papal indulgences making the Roman church (falsely) the gatekeepers of eternal life and death.

So yes this prophecy is validated

The RC hell did not prevail, Luther once again brought the truth to the common man...sola fide.

It is not about historical continuity of the institution, it is about truth prevailing where the institution sought to destroy it.

Protestantism has only existed for about 500 years. It speaks for itself on that account alone what value it has which is zero.

One thing that brought me to Catholicism when I came to believe in Jesus is that the idea of the Church being lost in corruption until Martin Luther came along invalidates the prophecy Jesus made when he said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church. There is only one Church with historical continuity.

 

[garee]

The church that Jesus Christ founded was in existence for hundreds of years before the RCC saw its beginning. Roman Catholics are infamous for rewriting history and ignoring Biblical context. Just like they deliberately overlook the fact that the Rock of salvation that the church is built upon is a confession of faith in Jesus Christ Himself, and not a man Jesus referred to as Satan.

I would agree and by looking at the way the principle of sola scriptura or what the scriptures calls “all thing written in the law and prophets”. It the word of God is as it is written, it was the reforming authority in both the first century reformation spoken of in Hebrews 9:10 and the fifteenth century reformation .Both the apostate Jews who lord it over men and the Catholic who require men to venerate them followed the same pattern as a l"aw of the fathers", commandments of men…They through those commandments made the word of God to no effect in both reformations

The first century reformation is the same pattern used for the fifteenth century reformation and that to the letter that was needed from the high priest or the Pope authorizing the killing of Christians, a mirror image. It was a great time tribulation I think the time of Jacobs’s trouble. They who walked by sight followed another authority in respect to men and not the word of God therefore making it to no effect

And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. Act 8:1

Saul continuing the authority received of the letters of the high Priest, the Pope for the Cathollic went on a killing spree .as out of sight out of mind... kill the preceived competition

I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I receivedletters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished. Act 22:3-5

Saul according the law of the fathers as oral traditions of men had a false zeal for God. He experienced both sides of the fence. Saul who walked by sight thinking the Christians were the outward competition, as in out of sight out of mind (no faith ) This I believe informs us of those who did believe we do wrestles against flesh and blood as if the kingdom of God was of this world .

Paul being born of the Spirit of Christ became the number one enemy of his previous sect the Pharisees or Pharisee with Sadducees and both sects fought together to kill the perceived outward competition. Having become a member of another sect the Nazarene or the Way Paul made up one of the leaders or elders.

Act 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:

They outward Jew like the Catholics boasted falsely they were not a denomination.

They accused Paul of being a heretic teaching heresy, again the same pattern as the fifteenth century reformation the Catholics also resisted the reformers in respect to scripture alone . They came with another authority rather than the word of God again called the “law of the fathers” not wanting to shoot their own self in the foot exposing that the scriptures as all that is written in the law and the fathers have no authority, they walked away in unbelief( no faith )calling the scriptures ….all things written in the law and the fathers heresy

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Act 24:13


There being a difference in how the scriptures uses the word fathers , Paul previously as Saul worshiped by venerating the earthly fathers as if they were worshipping our one Father in heaven, calling men on earth Holy Father, again as a law of the fathers the oral traditions of men in the end of the matter making the word of God without e

 

[garee]

Protestantism has only existed for about 500 years. It speaks for itself on that account alone what value it has which is zero.

One thing that brought me to Catholicism when I came to believe in Jesus is that the idea of the Church being lost in corruption until Martin Luther came along invalidates the prophecy Jesus made when he said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church. There is only one Church with historical continuity.

Historical continuity rather than the word of God?

When a person walks by sight as if the kingdom of God was of this world...it equals zero faith. zero values just as would is expected.

Where two or three are gathered together under the authrity of His word he is there. A new denomination begining today that does hold to the bible alone in its entirty is alone the word of God it would rise above the things of men . We walk by faith as a living hope that will not dissapoint those who trust it as the final authroty and not after the oral traditons of any sinful men .

 

[Jackson123]

You're confused. The Catholic Church teaches that people outside of the Church are saved in spite of their not being Catholics. There is no blanket concept of being saved, be they Muslims, Jews, or Catholics.

That is new, I believe after Vatican second counsel.

 

[onlinebuddy]

You're confused. The Catholic Church teaches that people outside of the Church are saved in spite of their not being Catholics.

That's a lie!!! In India, non-catholic Christians are looked down upon and stigmatized.

Leave aside non-catholic Christians; catholics stoop lower than this by looking down on fellow catholics who do not speak the local language.

There are community wars among catholics in my area. In my locality(which is metropolitan), the catholic church is controlled by the local people; not by the priest; not by the Pope. They do not allow any other community, speaking a different language, to hold mass or even sing hymns in another language. (India has 29 states and 7 union territories, each state having it's own language). Other communities are not allowed to hold mass in the church building. They must hold mass in the parish hall, but not in the church building.

During one particular "high mass," the parish priest allowed the choir to sing hymns in a language other than the local language. The local catholic goons stood up, called their cronies, and bashed up the choir leader till he began to bleed. I wonder what happened to the concept of the church being the body of Christ.

Now, one might say, "This does not happen elsewhere." I'm sure if your country had 22+ official language and 26 states, the same thing would happen, because the catholic church just doesn't seem to understand the things of God.

On the other hand, I have been involved in many non-catholic churches and found the spirit of brotherhood despite the diversity.