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Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2017

Brother awatukee

you believe 7 years tribulation is wraps of God and it is the day of the Lord

and during that time antichrist in power

it mean antichrist reign during the day of the Lord

2 thesalonians 2 said

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

for that day( the day of the Lord) will not come after the rebellion occurs

that mean the day of the Lord is not the day of antichrist.

antichrist first than God wrath.

Ahwatukee · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

God doesn't ask Satan to persecute the tribulation saints. It is because they are on the earth that they will be persecuted. If they had received Christ prior to the gathering of the church, then they will have been gathered with the church. However, we do have scripture that shows the saints being persecuted.

"He (the antichrist) will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

Time = 1 years

Times = 2 years

Half a time = half a year

Total = 3 1/2 years

Here is more proof that he great tribulation saints are exposed to the events of wrath that will be taking place on the earth:

"Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst.The sun will not beat down on them,’ nor any scorching heat."

Never again will they hunger:
The reference to "hunger" is regarding the 3rd seal, the black horse, which is famine. - Rev.6:5-6

Never again will they thirst:
The reference to "thirst" is referring to the 3rd trumpet where that star falls on a third of the rivers and fresh water and kills many who drink it. - Rev.8:10-11

The sun will not beat down on them, nor scorching heat:
This is in reference to the 4th bowl judgment when the angel pours his bowl out on the sun and scorches the inhabitants of the earth with intense heat. - Rev.16:8-9

"The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to wage war against the saints and to conquer them.

As I have been saying, this is why the time for receiving the Lord is now, because after the church has been gathered, anyone on the earth will be exposed to all of those plagues of wrath.

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2017

KJV1611 said:

When jew go to heaven? If Jews or gentile already in heaven can Satan cast them to earth?

J7 · Jul 23, 2017

Zephaniah 1:11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off

Wow. I was thinking it was about the silver shorts and a short squeeze

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

God doesn't ask Satan to persecute the tribulation saints. It is because they are on the earth that they will be persecuted. If they had received Christ prior to the gathering of the church, then they will have been gathered with the church. However, we do have scripture that shows the saints being persecuted.

"He (the antichrist) will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

Time = 1 years

Times = 2 years

Half a time = half a year

Total = 3 1/2 years

Here is more proof that he great tribulation saints are exposed to the events of wrath that will be taking place on the earth:

"Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst.The sun will not beat down on them,’ nor any scorching heat."

Never again will they hunger:
The reference to "hunger" is regarding the 3rd seal, the black horse, which is famine. - Rev.6:5-6

Never again will they thirst:
The reference to "thirst" is referring to the 3rd trumpet where that star falls on a third of the rivers and fresh water and kills many who drink it. - Rev.8:10-11

The sun will not beat down on them, nor scorching heat:
This is in reference to the 4th bowl judgment when the angel pours his bowl out on the sun and scorches the inhabitants of the earth with intense heat. - Rev.16:8-9

"The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to wage war against the saints and to conquer them.

As I have been saying, this is why the time for receiving the Lord is now, because after the church has been gathered, anyone on the earth will be exposed to all of those plagues of wrath.

that is why I said persecution saint during the tribulation is not God wrath, God never wrath to saint. It is satan wrath

so 7 years tribulation is satan wrath to saint.

KJV1611 · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

Matthew 21:43 KJV
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The Jews in that verse were in the kingdom of heaven. Satan drew THE THIRD PART of them away from that kingdom BEFORE the kingdom was taken from the them... these are the Jews who tried to kill Christ when he was born.

This is not the heaven where the father dwells, this is the earthly kingdom of God.

Ahwatukee · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

It's not the day of the antichrist. It's the day of the Lord, the day of Christ. Satan, the beast and the false prophet are just apart of the events that will be taking place during God's time of wrath. They are just apart of the events that will take place. As proof of this, at the 5th bowl judgment we see God's wrath affecting the beasts kingdom:

"The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done."

So, Satan, the beast and the false prophet are just apart of the events which take place during the time of God's wrath. Here is what happens to the beast when the Lord returns at the end of the seven years:

"He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. “ ‘But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the saints of the Most High." - Dan.7:25-27

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

J7 · Jul 23, 2017

KJV1611 said:

Matthew 21:43 KJV
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The Jews in that verse were in the kingdom of heaven. Satan drew THE THIRD PART of them away from that kingdom BEFORE the kingdom was taken from the them... these are the Jews who tried to kill Christ when he was born.

This is not the heaven where the father dwells, this is the earthly kingdom of God.

I the nation here is the northern Kingdom of Israel.

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2017

KJV1611 said:

so you believe in AD 70 1/3 Jews not believe Jesus?

I believe Jews that not believe in Jesus that time more than 90%

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

It's not the day of the antichrist. It's the day of the Lord, the day of Christ. Satan, the beast and the false prophet are just apart of the events that will be taking place during God's time of wrath. They are just apart of the events that will take place. As proof of this, at the 5th bowl judgment we see God's wrath affecting the beasts kingdom:

"The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done."

So, Satan, the beast and the false prophet are just apart of the events which take place during the time of God's wrath. Here is what happens to the beast when the Lord returns at the end of the seven years:

"He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. “ ‘But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the saints of the Most High." - Dan.7:25-27

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

What ever you call it but thesalonians say that days(the day of the Lord) will not come until the rebellion occurs .

so rebellion come first, than God wrath.

KJV1611 · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

No, the bible doesn't say A THIRD OF the stars fell, it says THE THIRD PART of the stars fell - the third part is those who are after the 1) lust of the flesh 2) lust of the eyes 3) prinde of life... the third part represents unsaved CARNAL people.

Ahwatukee · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

It is not persecution, but the saints will be exposed to those plagues of wrath that I listed, simply because they are on the earth. It can't be persecution because they will be suffering from those seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which God will be pouring out.

Please stop repeating the things that I have already told you about. Below is the seven years, which is God's decree against Israel and Jerusalem:

God's decree of seventy seven year periods:

"Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

The last seven years of that seven year period:
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. ”

Since it is God's decree against Israel, how can you call it the time of Satan's wrath? That last seven years is the fulfillment of the seventy sevens that God decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. During that same time, God will be pouring out his wrath upon a Christ rejection world as revealed in Dan.2:31-45

It is God's plan, not Satan's! He, the beast and the false prophet are just a part of it.

I hope you can understand this.

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2017

KJV1611 said:

but you say star is Jews don't you

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

It is not persecution, but the saints will be exposed to those plagues of wrath that I listed, simply because they are on the earth. It can't be persecution because they will be suffering from those seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which God will be pouring out.

Please stop repeating the things that I have already told you about. Below is the seven years, which is God's decree against Israel and Jerusalem:

God's decree of seventy seven year periods:

"[/COLOR]Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

The last seven years of that seven year period:
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. ”

Since it is God's decree against Israel, how can you call it the time of Satan's wrath? That last seven years is the fulfillment of the seventy sevens that God decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. During that same time, God will be pouring out his wrath upon a Christ rejection world as revealed in Dan.2:31-45

It is God's plan, not Satan's! He, the beast and the false prophet are just a part of it.

I hope you can understand this.

don't you say satan war with saint during tribulation?

KJV1611 · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

Yes, CARNAL Jews attempted to kill Jesus when he was born.

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2017

KJV1611 said:

King Herod try to kill Jesus, is that 1/3 of Jews?

Ahwatukee · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

You are correct and below is what "the day of the Lord" is:

"See, the day of the Lord is coming—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless. I will make people scarcer than pure old, more rare than the gold of Ophir. Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the Lord Almighty, in the day of his burning anger."

So, the above is the description of "the day of the Lord." Did you see any mention of the coming of the Lord and our being gathered to him? No, you didn't! That is because they are two different events:

The coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him is when the church takes place prior to the day of the Lord

The day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, takes place after the Lord comes and gathers the church.

First: The coming of the Lord and our being gathered to him

Second: The day of the Lord, the wrath of God which follows our being gathered

The coming of the Lord and our being gathered is not the same event as the day of the Lord, but is the wrath that takes place after we are gathered.

KJV1611 · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

Was Herod a "the fourth part" OR a "the third part"? Herod was carnal, he was not one of God's people.

Ahwatukee · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

Yes, the beast is given authority by God to make war against the saints and conquer them during that last 3 1/2 years, just as the scripture says. Everyone on the earth during that time, no matter what the beast and the false prophet are doing, will be exposed to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

Ahwatukee · Jul 23, 2017

Jackson123 said:

What KJV1611 said regarding the stars being "1) lust of the flesh 2) lust of the eyes 3) prinde of life... the third part represents unsaved CARNAL people" is false!

The scripture itself tells us who the stars are representing, which are Satan's angels who originally rebelled with him and who will eventually be cast out of heaven during the middle of that seven year period:

"Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth."

"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

The "stars" in the scripture above are symbolic for Satan's angels who will be cast out of heaven with him and restricted to the earth during that last 3 1/2 years.

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