One thing all should keep in mind, when Jerusalem was destroyed, it ended essentially the persecution from the un- believing Jewish Orthodoxy throughout the world. This is because most returned to Jerusalem for the Passover of 66 AD and were trapped inside when Vespasian suddenly surrounded the city. Most were killed during the next 3.5 years after suffering incredible horrors and re-paying of tribulation that they had been dishing out to the churches.
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I was your basic post-tribber until I really started reading the history of that era. I know most won't because they find it boring. That is why I didn't read it for the longest time. But my desire for the truth lead me to read War of the Jews. I found it fascinating and it has forever changed my view of eschatology. The other main thing is I can't find where any of the early church writers from 70 AD to 180 AD ever spoke of looking for or waiting for Christ to return. That's all the disciples could talk about. Doesn't anyone else find that strange?
Futurist if the day of the Lord is future and ALL the passages about wrath, tribulation and destruction are about the day of the Lord, WHERE is the prophecy about the destuction of earthly Jerusalem and the transfer of the kingdom from earthly Jerusalem to the gentiles? Anybody have any prophicies of the AD 70 destruction? Maybe this event was insignificant to God and not worth mentioning in the bible lol.
Edit: Seriously, can any of you guys point to old testament prophecies that are about the destuction of earthly Jerusalem?
Edit: Seriously, can any of you guys point to old testament prophecies that are about the destuction of earthly Jerusalem?
Stop doing this. If you continue to say this after these quotes you are just doing it on purpose, it is not true:
"But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare." Dialogue of Justin, Chp. 80
"[T]wo advents of Christ have been announced: the one, in which He is set forth as suffering, inglorious, dishonored, and crucified;but the other, in which He shall come from heaven with glory, when the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians,... Now it is evident that no one can terrify or subdue us who have believed in Jesus over all the world. For it is plain that, though beheaded, and crucified, and thrown to wild beasts, and chains, and fire, and all other kinds of torture, we do not give up our confession; but the more such things happen, the more do others and in larger numbers become faithful, and worshippers of God through the name of Jesus." - Justin Martyr, Dialog of Justin, Chp. 105
"But if so great a power is shown to have followed and to be still following the dispensation of His suffering, how great shall that be which shall follow His glorious advent! For He shall come on the clouds as the Son of man, so Daniel foretold, and His angels shall come with Him." - Justin Martyr, Dialog of Justin, Chp. 31
"Wherefore He shall, at His second coming, first rouse from their sleep all persons of this description, and shall raise them up, as well as the rest who shall be judged, and give them a place in His kingdom." - Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 4, Chp. 22
"But who of us are ignorant of the judgment of the Lord? 'Do we not know that the saints shall judge the world?' as Paul teaches." - Polycarp to the Philipians
"Fare ye well to the end, in the patience of Jesus Christ. Amen." - Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans
"...If it be the will [of God] that I should be accounted worthy to the end. For the beginning is well arranged, if I be counted worthy to attain to the end, that I may receive my portion, without hindrance, through suffering." - Second Epistle of Ignatius
source: biblestudying.net
"But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare." Dialogue of Justin, Chp. 80
"[T]wo advents of Christ have been announced: the one, in which He is set forth as suffering, inglorious, dishonored, and crucified;but the other, in which He shall come from heaven with glory, when the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians,... Now it is evident that no one can terrify or subdue us who have believed in Jesus over all the world. For it is plain that, though beheaded, and crucified, and thrown to wild beasts, and chains, and fire, and all other kinds of torture, we do not give up our confession; but the more such things happen, the more do others and in larger numbers become faithful, and worshippers of God through the name of Jesus." - Justin Martyr, Dialog of Justin, Chp. 105
"But if so great a power is shown to have followed and to be still following the dispensation of His suffering, how great shall that be which shall follow His glorious advent! For He shall come on the clouds as the Son of man, so Daniel foretold, and His angels shall come with Him." - Justin Martyr, Dialog of Justin, Chp. 31
"Wherefore He shall, at His second coming, first rouse from their sleep all persons of this description, and shall raise them up, as well as the rest who shall be judged, and give them a place in His kingdom." - Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 4, Chp. 22
"But who of us are ignorant of the judgment of the Lord? 'Do we not know that the saints shall judge the world?' as Paul teaches." - Polycarp to the Philipians
"Fare ye well to the end, in the patience of Jesus Christ. Amen." - Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans
"...If it be the will [of God] that I should be accounted worthy to the end. For the beginning is well arranged, if I be counted worthy to attain to the end, that I may receive my portion, without hindrance, through suffering." - Second Epistle of Ignatius
source: biblestudying.net
So all of this below is ALL future? It's uncanny how it fits the first coming of Christ EXACTLY but yet it's future lol.
Joel 1:5-11 KJV
Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
[6] For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.
[7] He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white.
[8] Lament like a virgin girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth.
[9] The meat offering and the drink offering is cut off from the house of the Lord ; the priests, the Lord's ministers, mourn.
[10] The field is wasted, the land mourneth; for the corn is wasted: the new wine is dried up, the oil languisheth.
[11] Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
Joel 1:5-11 KJV
Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
[6] For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.
[7] He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white.
[8] Lament like a virgin girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth.
[9] The meat offering and the drink offering is cut off from the house of the Lord ; the priests, the Lord's ministers, mourn.
[10] The field is wasted, the land mourneth; for the corn is wasted: the new wine is dried up, the oil languisheth.
[11] Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.